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BRIEFING THE LAWMAKERS – Shannon Clohosey, the city’s acting director of development services, informs city council Monday evening about the costs of the potential curbside recycling pickup program.

Curbside recycling program is in limbo

The city may not pick up on a curbside recycling program after all.

By Stephanie Waddell on July 5, 2016

The city may not pick up on a curbside recycling program after all.

Shannon Clohosey, the city’s acting director of development services, addressed Monday evening’s city council meeting.

She brought forward a recommendation that council not move forward with a proposed program, given the high costs it would carry.

The program, where a contractor collects and processes recycling from homes in Whitehorse, would be mandatory for all those already on the city’s residential curbside waste and compost collection program.

It would not include homes that are not on the curbside program already – many multifamily residences and country residential homes, for example.

It’s a program the city has been moving forward with for some time as part of the efforts to figure out how to fund recycling efforts into the future and work toward greater waste diversion.

As Clohosey stated in her report to council: “The benefit of a contract for recycling is that it will help ensure that Whitehorse residents can continue to recycle for the duration of the contract.

“However, the final price is higher than anticipated, and the cost increase to utility rates may be too significant for residents to bear.”

Clohosey’s report did not detail the price tag each of the two companies – General Waste Management (GWM) and Whitehorse Blue Bins – which submitted proposals had outlined for residents.

Whitehorse Blue Bins operates as a private recycling collection firm, with its residential customers paying $20 per month for the biweekly collection.

The RFP that went out based the service on a total of 5,850 households with an estimated total annual cost of more than $1.17 million. The contract would be for a total of five years.

Evaluating each proposal first on experience and approach, GWM earned more points, coming in with 81.9 compared to Whitehorse Blue Bins’ 76.8 out of a possible 100.

Both firms had enough points in the first round for the city to open up the price proposals.

While the city did not reveal the price each was suggesting customers be charged, Whitehorse Blue Bins came out with the full 80 points available on it, with GWM just half a point behind.

Both received the full 20 points available for affordability.

“The RFP was structured to negotiate with the higher-scoring proponent, and during that process, GWM lowered their price by 25 (cents per household per month),” it’s noted in the report.

“Their final price is $16.75 (per household per month). Currently, residents pay $11 (per month) for waste and organics collection and processing.”

Another $20,000 – or 25 cents per household per month – would be needed to cover the cost of administration each year.

All that means waste collection bills would go up to nearly $28 each month or almost $84 quarterly (with the city sending out bills on a quarterly basis).

Then there are the additional costs that come with starting the program: $50,000 “for initial implementation” along with another $15,000 coming out of landfill tipping fees “for waste diversion education starting in 2017.

“Tipping fees for all waste streams are currently $97/tonne; this would add 75 cents/tonne. For residents, this increase to tipping fees would equate to about two cents (per month per household) that would be added to residential utility.”

Finally, there would be the $496,000 cost of getting blue carts for all households on the system. The city had specified in the RFP it would be responsible for that purchase.

“There is sufficient unallocated federal gas tax funding available for this purchase, or the city could choose to use the general reserve to purchase carts and recover the cost from residents by adding an additional charge on the utility bill (approximately $80 spread over several years).”

With no money outlined in the budget to get the initiative going (outside of the gas tax funding to potentially pay for carts), administration was left with little choice but to recommend it not proceed.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, city manager Christine Smith acknowledged the situation as a “catch-22”.

Without knowing the costs of a program, money can’t be allocated in the budget; without money allocated for a program, administration can’t recommend it move forward.

Two councillors remarked on their own confusion over the recommendation.

Coun. Roslyn Woodcock was the first to question whether it’s driven more by process than what may be the “right thing” to do.

Smith acknowledged the need for greater waste diversion if the city wants to pursue that, but noted staff cannot bring forward a recommendation if there is nothing in the budget for that.

“Now I’m really confused too,” Coun. Rob Fendrick said.

He confirmed that if council wants to move forward with the program, it would have to make a number of budget and bylaw amendments.

Clohosey’s report outlined the steps required for that to happen.

They include:

• an amendment to the fees and charges bylaw to increase the monthly waste collection bill to $28 beginning April 1, 2017 when the program would start;

• a change to the waste management bylaw to include recycling collection for residents that would come into effect next April 1;

• amending the capital budget to include funding for the recycling carts; and

• changing the policy for waste diversion credits – which are provided to recycling firms for keeping waste out of the landfill – to indicate materials collected via the curbside program are not eligible for the credit.

It was during a lengthy discussion among council that members weighed the program’s pros and the cons.

Coun. Dan Boyd was quick to point to recent changes announced by the Yukon government that will see more beverage containers covered under the regulations as well as upfront fees charged at the point of purchase on electronic waste and more types of tires than in the past.

“I think the landscape has changed significantly since we started this process,” he said.

Even if the program proceeded, Boyd added, a number of materials wouldn’t be included, such as styrofoam and non-refundable glass bottles and jars.

Styrofoam is accepted and sent out to be recycled, but non-refundable glass is not.

Processors currently accept glass but don’t recycle it due to the high cost of shipping it out. Instead, it’s crushed down and used as cover at the city’s landfill.

Boyd later pointed out that even with a curbside collection program in place, it would be extremely difficult to ensure residents are properly sorting their waste.

Just as it’s difficult to ensure residents keep compost out of their black waste collection cart, it would be the same when it comes to keeping recyclables out of the black bins.

Boyd also noted that just 10 per cent of the waste coming into the landfill is from the residential sector, suggesting that the city should be focused on other sectors.

Woodcock countered that by questioning Clohosey on the city’s compost program. She pointed out it began as a residential initiative that’s now expanding into the commercial sector.

Woodcock asked why the city begins such programs at the residential level.

Clohosey explained it’s easier to start such programs for households through existing initiatives like the curbside waste collection.

As people begin making changes at home, it becomes easier for those same residents to make changes at work and move ahead with similar modifications for businesses.

Council members will consider how they will vote on the matter next week.

Meanwhile, officials with the Raven Recycling Society, which is listed as a subcontractor in both proposals that came forward, say they will have to consider some changes to their operations if the program does not proceed.

“It was a surprise. I think everyone (at the council meting) was surprised,” Raven president Jaqueline Bedard told reporters last night of the recommendation.

Given the extensive work that has happened to get a curbside program established, Raven has been hopeful the initiative would proceed and provide some much-needed stable funding to ensure recycling can continue in the city.

Raven officials say they will be there next week when council votes on whether to proceed with the program.

Mayor Dan Curtis was absent from the meeting, as he was representing the city in Juneau, Alaska (Whitehorse’s sister city) during the Independence Day celebrations.

Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu was also absent from the meeting.

Comments (41)

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Jwhite on Jul 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm

Yukon1982, your information is incorrect.

We took our recyclables to P&M today (July 11). They took all of our material, both refundable and not refundable. In less than 15 minutes, they sorted everything, gave us our cash for the refundables, and we were out of there.

I do wonder if they will be able to stay in business after the city implements their program. How sad, if our taxes put a successful business under.

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north_of_60 on Jul 11, 2016 at 4:29 pm

@Jwhite "how many more households will start to recycle if this program proceeds, and some idea of how many do recycle now. "

Those data were collected in a poorly publicized survey by the CoW. Unfortunately the Queen of Sustainability refused to publish the full survey results because they didn't fit her agenda. Only selected results that supported her "we will force you to recycle" agenda were released.

I've Reduced, Reused and Recycled for more than four decades, long before it was fashionable. I generate about one can of actual garbage per year. People forget that the first two "R"s are the most important. Avoid buying stuff you can't recycle and have to 'throw away'.

Raven needs to fire their redundant and unnecessary management personnel, and hire more front-line workers who actually process recyclables.

The CoW should commission an independent audit of Raven's operations, with the goal to find ways of reducing unnecessary expenditures in a top-heavy management structure. The evaluation of Raven's operations must be done by an independent agent because the relationship between Raven and CoW staff is too 'incestuous'.

Once Raven implements the recommendations, then the CoW should fund Raven directly per-kilo for processing recyclables.

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Politico on Jul 11, 2016 at 3:53 pm

@north_of_60 Thank you for the amateur counselling session.
I have subscribed to the Blue Bin Society since it's inclusion of PC in their collection area. My time is worth more than the $20 they charge a month.
I don't force my views on anyone nor do I engage in amateur mud slinging.
I can only make suggestions and the fact that you can't see the truth is entirely on your plate.
So nice to have a respectful intelligent conversation, not.

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CJ on Jul 11, 2016 at 3:02 pm

@Mike Gladish, how much does our contribution to the Gas Tax fund work out to per day? In other words, you seem to be suggesting that funding that comes from the federal government that's spent on a project you support is free money, but other projects, such as a new landfill, would cost us "millions" out of our pocket.

The tactic of persuading people that user fees or taxes only costs pennies per day is certainly effective. But the cost recovery model serves as a blank cheque for the city, when costs are higher than they "anticipated."

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ProScience Greenie on Jul 11, 2016 at 1:16 pm

It is not about being anti-tax Politico, it is about being anti-waste. We pay a heck of a lot of taxes already and a good portion is simply tossed down the drain - greed, graft, corruption, incompetence, ego, stupidity - by the left, right and center and businesses, governments and non-profits.

Waste is waste - whether money, energy, material or time. We need less of it. It is wrong to assume that most here are knuckle-dragging Harper voting rednecks hell-bent on destroying the environment to save a buck. That is simply not the case.

More and more of today's progressives are acting like yesterday's dreaded Moral Majority or taking a George W. Bush-like stance that you are 'either with us or with the bad guys'. Not good and not helpful to get more people on board with creating a healthier and happier planet.

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The Numbers!! on Jul 11, 2016 at 11:28 am

@Politcio.....you forgot to multiply the number of months in a year.....$17x6000x12=$1,224,000. I did lie as i neglected to add in the extra $24,000. I will ensure that the lies don't continue for the 'let's pollute everything' type people. You should make sure you read everything twice or thrice prior to commenting. As the light at the end of the tunnel might be a train coming your way!

Don't worry about the new dump, the COW in its infinite wisdom has a location for the new land fill. As with any forward thinking municipality they have been setting aside money for the decommissioning and the construction of a new landfill. Much like how the responsible homeowner budgets for what they need.

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Jwhite on Jul 10, 2016 at 5:43 pm

Can't we discuss this without nastiness?
There seems to be an assumption that those opposed to curb side pickup are also opposed to recycling. That's just not accurate.

It perhaps would be helpful to the discussion if we had some idea, or a reasonable estimate, of just how many more households will start to recycle if this program proceeds, and some idea of how many do recycle now.

Our household practices won't change. We recycle. We will continue to recycle and, if P&M stays in business we will continue to take recyclables to them. I doubt, though, that we will donate our refundables to the city program if we have a choice.

I guess the recycling club program will be toast.

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Yukon1982 on Jul 10, 2016 at 5:03 pm

Jwhite, when was the last time you took your "recyclables" to P&M? I believe they only take "refundables" now. What do you do with the rest of your recycling such a plastics that are not worth any money. Unfortunately these items end up in the land fill if not picked up by the Blue Bin guys (who takes it to Raven for processing) or taken directly to Raven.

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Smurf on Jul 10, 2016 at 3:56 pm

Whitehorse basic education - lesson one:

Let's start with math: $17 x 6000 x 12 = $1 224 000

Now we continue to lesson two:
- the city "officials" do what they want anyway
- you have to pay more and more to get less and less every year
- living might be expensive everywhere else as well but at least other cities have something to offer, like a better infrastructure and amenities...

Got it? It's not that hard to see the obvious, isn't it?

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north_of_60 on Jul 10, 2016 at 2:04 pm

@Politico

Is your choice to subscribe to the existing private sector 'blue-box' services being restricted in any way?
Why do you seem so intent on controlling the lives of others and forcing your beliefs on them?

It's been well proven by many studies that those who seek to control the lives of others do so in compensation for their inability to control their own lives.
Just get help for that instead of trying to tell us what's best for us.

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Politico on Jul 9, 2016 at 11:00 pm

Mike Gladish is one of the few intelligent voices out there. The anti tax everything, destroy the environment for the sake of a few bucks is in full swing in this thread. Granted it does cost less to pollute than it does to save the environment for our children but I for one, am willing to pay the price.
@Numbers, a quick calculation says 6000 participants time $17 is $102,000 not 1.2 m as you suggested. Just another lie from the let's pollute everything because I don't want to take responsibility for what I'm leaving for everyone's children.
Really, the people who are so anti anything money being spent on not polluting our environment are disingenuous. And when the dump is full, where are we going to put the new one? just name any area in Whitehorse where anyone is going to let the city build a dump. Before you down vote this, where do you want a new dump built?

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yes it's optional on Jul 9, 2016 at 7:33 pm

@Jwhite
Of course it's optional. People can continue to place their garbage in whatever color bin is picked up that week. Don't try to foist your social engineering fantasy on us, it won't work. We will rebel in every way possible until you relent and start using some common sense. We want to be represented, not governed by elites who think they know what's best for us.

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ProScience Greenie on Jul 8, 2016 at 11:23 pm

Sorry to say it Mike Gladish but you are right out to lunch and seem to be living in some fantasy world. Even worse you are not listening to your fellow citizens that are just as intelligent and caring about their community as you. They are here presenting very reasonable criticism and alternative solutions. They might be right and you are wrong. Think about that possibility.

People want to be represented, not governed. So many political types have to drop the ego and unrealistic utopian dreams and for once start to listen to the people footing the bill. I swear our biggest mental health issue is with most of our so called leaders in politics, business and NGOs. Many really do need to step down and ask for help. It would make for a better community if they did.

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Wayne on Jul 8, 2016 at 5:05 pm

Mike Gladish had his opportunity, and should now be unheard.

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The Numbers!! on Jul 8, 2016 at 3:42 pm

The numbers don't add up. The city wants to charge us 6000 people $17/month. A quick calculation equates that to $1.2 million a year. The cost to decommission and build a new dump is $27million. That means, the old dump can be decommissioned and the new dump will be paid for in 22.5 years. If the 6000 people divert 10% from the landfill, over a 20 year period the landfill will live on for another 2 years. This must be how the City sells us on good value for our money. They best try and sell us on a monorail too!!! City managers making big $$$ and this is the best they can do? Where is my cut?

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Mr. Gladish on Jul 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm

It is about how to set up a more cost effective City operation, which this has not been done under the last or present council. Our growth has slowed but costs increase by an average of six % a year. Why is that taking place?
And what have you done about it? Nothing because you don't have the experience in operational management like the City Manager and Mayor.

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Jwhite on Jul 8, 2016 at 12:02 pm

Sorry, anonymous, but you will be paint and if you currently have curb side garbage pick up, It won't be optional.

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Jwhite on Jul 8, 2016 at 12:00 pm

Mike gladish your logic is flawed. "We" will not be laying that $1 a day. Those people currently on curb side garbage pickup will pay it. I believe it has been stated that segment contributes less than 10% of what goes into the landfill. This is not about recycling. It's about how best to fund Raven. It's time to look at other options.

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Anonymous on Jul 8, 2016 at 10:59 am

I'm sorry Dan but I will not be paying for this program, which sounds like a bailout for the failed Raven Recycling.

I will continue to take my recyclables to P&M while the service is free, along with any blue bins if they are placed near my property.

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Mike Gladish on Jul 8, 2016 at 8:55 am

The $496,000 for blue bins would be covered by the Gas Tax contribution from the Federal Government via YG. The bins would have lids and would be an improvement over the existing blue boxes that are open to scavenging by ravens and other wildlife. The Gas Tax allocation was approved by 3 levels of government and endorsed by City Council last year.

The monthly utility bill is based on a cost recovery model. That $28 per month equates to 96 cents per day for the following services:

-a steady, unlimited supply of fresh drinking water
- a reliable method to get rid of our human waste and waste water
-collection of all organic waste that becomes a valuable resource
-collection, handling and diversion of recyclables
-collection and disposal of non recyclable waste products
-reserve funds for future waste disposal facility and replacement of infrastructure

For less than one dollar a day we never have to think about our unlimited supply of fresh water or what happens to our waste after we flush or place at the curb.

On the other hand, if we don't pay that dollar a day now, somebody will have to pay within 30 years. It will cost over a million dollars for each ratepayer when it comes time to make a new dump. And where will that dump go? I'm sure nobody will want it in their backyard!!

Whitehorse citizens can show leadership in waste diversion by accepting the curbside program and Yukon Government can show leadership in extending more responsibility to the producers. There should be a waste diversion fee on every item that we purchase. We are all responsible for our waste products. And that includes the construction and service sector. I wonder how much of the 'old' Ricky's restaurant material could have been reused, salvaged and diverted from the big hole in the ground.

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Ron Daniels on Jul 7, 2016 at 7:33 pm

For a senior living on a fixed income the city (mayor) has placed another burden on this part of our population that can least afford additional fees.

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Molly girl on Jul 7, 2016 at 7:08 pm

$97/ton for tipping fees is obscene when it is only $10/ton down South. Someone here has cut a fat hog in the butt. Scandalous!

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Erik S. on Jul 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm

" Shannon Clohosey, the city’s acting director of development services, addressed Monday evening’s city council meeting. " the wage for this position is probably in the $125,000.00 range with the director who is not acting knocking down even more. Let's see now 6000 bins @ $20.00 per is $120,000.00 Simple, fire one of the two superfluous positions and everyone can have their bin for free.

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Become Involved on Jul 7, 2016 at 3:58 pm

This is ridiculous for so many reasons.
Please let council know you don't support this, write to them. They will listen to you. Curtis has stated he supports curbside. Show them that we do not want this.

mayorandcouncil@whitehorse.ca

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Jwhite on Jul 7, 2016 at 3:56 pm

Mary Laker: well said. I hope council members read your comment as I think it accurately reflects the opinion of many people.
By the way, you don't need to sort if you take recyclables to P&M

Council clearly wants to find a stable funding mechanism for Raven. I don't think this curb side pickup is the answer, for many reasons, and now would be a good time to drop this option completely and look for other solutions.

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Capitan on Jul 6, 2016 at 11:26 pm

Dan Boyd makes sense when he says to wait for YTG's fees to take effect and see what the situation is. One thing I dislike about this program is it's only for curbside pickup, and the effect on people who don't have that isn't known. For landfill fees there's quite a large discrepancy in costs between curbside pickup and tipping fees, so their record isn't good in that regard. (You only hear about fees for large appliances, but many of take household waste there.)

Raven is muddying the waters with their subcontractor status. I like Raven, I appreciate the service, and I think they're good economic stewards. But I don't appreciate them wading into this with more warnings of catastrophe, based on them not getting the subcontract (although maybe the reporter has slanted their comments a little). I get that Raven is in a difficult position, but with them scrambling to find a foothold in this private/public schmozzle, it's leaving a vacuum where some coherent analysis of the program needs to be.

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Pjt1959 on Jul 6, 2016 at 9:09 pm

The first thing city council might do right. Raven director complaining as she won't be able to add extra to her salary which is already too much for a non profit.
Maybe council and the mayor may finally realize that affordable housing is also about what people pay for services and fees and for Raven director to say cost doesn't matter must make too much.
North of 60 is correct with the gas tax should be used for roads and improvements.
If council ends up back dooring this then there should be a petition to get a vote on getting a new council. That is my rant.

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mary laker on Jul 6, 2016 at 5:42 pm

According to the article, if not one resident recycled or composted ANYTHING, that would only amount to a maximum of 10% of the waste generated in this city. Take out stuff that can't be recycled, and glass, and you are looking at maybe 7%.

It is ludicrous that they are jumping around trying to implement outrageously expensive recycling programs to address 7% of the problem. Deal with construction waste, government and business waste, then come talk to us.

Fact is, most of us do recycle all that we can. I know that I do, and it doesn't matter to me that I have to sort and bag it and drive it downtown myself.

This program would not have affected me, but I am glad to see some common sense: too expensive, not enough benefit. Okay, to Shannon it is 'too expensive, no earmarked funding', but it's a start.

Now, council, do the right thing and kill it.

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Josey Wales on Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm

Speaking of the city and their agenda, a wee bit off topic...but not much.
Noticed the garbage police with clipboards and shaming stickers lifting lids on all curb side garbage...inspecting for compliance. Today in P/C, tomorrow in your hood.
Why not use those same clipboards and count how many folks actually stop at stop signs, stagger around gassed, how many moms are drinking riverside, who leaves city job posts early, how many are chronically late etc.
ya know real city issues that actually cost in life, destroyed property, financial drain.
Maybe do something about crime in this wee Regina and keep focused on some spore of a reality?

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Max Mack on Jul 6, 2016 at 1:31 pm

But, it's not over. Is it? Clohosey has already laid out the framework for how mandatory curbside recycling would proceed. So, CoW bureaucrats, Raven Recycling, YCS and co-conspirators will simply back up and take another run at it.

With CoW and GY looking for every opportunity to increase the cost of living in Whitehorse, I don't suppose this fight is over by a long shot.

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Politico on Jul 6, 2016 at 11:24 am

People are missing the point here. Citizens are not recycling or composting. All you have to do is look in dumpsters around town. Recyclables, compost and recoverables are just being dumped at the land fill. We're talking about Yukoners who won't park across the street to shop at a store and you claim they will waste their precious time to drive and sort their recyclables? Silly rabbits.

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There are other things at play here. on Jul 6, 2016 at 10:56 am

The City is using all of its capital budget for Dan's building project.
People are tired of all the outlandish needless spending and mismanagement.

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One of the so called greenies on Jul 6, 2016 at 9:37 am

I call myself an environmentalist, and I think this is good. This program is overpriced and simply a bailout for Raven that they don't deserve. We don't have the population density or access to commodity markets needed for blue box to be effective. Raven's reputation is tarnished, they complain constantly about lack of funding but they waste money like you wouldn't believe.

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How smart on Jul 6, 2016 at 8:57 am

I think this is the smartest decision the City has ever made. Actually thinking about other people's money?! Novel concept. Or maybe they realized how much it would cost them personally.

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Keep Whitehorse Blue Bins on Jul 6, 2016 at 8:55 am

Please keep the Whitehorse blue bins, the have been doing this for years at a sustainable rate ( no extra taxes) while providing a excellent service.

Go with the recommendation of your own people COW.

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north_of_60 on Jul 6, 2016 at 12:11 am

Perhaps I'm being pragmatic and old fashioned, but shouldn't our gasoline tax rebates be used to fix our badly deteriorating roads and improving traffic signals to reduce vehicle congestion? Instead we see the Mayor&Council treating it like their personal slush fund for every frivolous idea they dream up. Recent examples are their proposed use of the rebates for their 'legacy project' aka Curtis' Castle-on-the-Hill, or using it to compete with private sector companies offering curbside Blue Box service to those residents who want it. It's a gasoline tax rebate; use it appropriately.

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Capitan on Jul 5, 2016 at 11:24 pm

Bit of a muddle, is it not? There just always seems to be a subtext when the sustainability coordinator is talking.

As I understand it -- and she didn't make it easy on us -- there's no budget. All they have to do is amend the bylaw. But to get there probably council would prefer to have some kind of consensus with the public, or more likely, cobble together some of their patented survey results that they can point to as agreement.

Of course, that's reading between the lines, but still, where did Roslyn Woodcock hear in the recommendation that it costs more than the public likes, even though it's the "right thing to do"? (Woodcock has a lot of those, I notice.)

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ron daniels on Jul 5, 2016 at 8:09 pm

Whitehorse is becoming miniature Vancouver. You will not be able to live due to
the high cost.

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jean inconneau on Jul 5, 2016 at 7:30 pm

It's good to see the City waste managers in Whitehorse taking a common sense position that residents support.
If residents want a blue box pickup, they should contact the private sector companies that already offer that service in Whitehorse.

Raven has a president AND an executive director and who knows how many other high paid executive and manager positions. If Raven wants to cut costs, then eliminate expensive, redundant and unnecessary management positions. Raven's primary function is sorting recyclables; they don't need expensive managers and presidents to do that.

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Thomas Brewer on Jul 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm

The citizenry of Whitehorse already pays an exorbitant amount to the city in utility bills, property taxes, and permits. When there's options to save a couple bucks and take to P&M, or Raven, or to the dump's sorting area, we should have that option to do so.

Glad to see this initiative sinking quickly.

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Too Many fees on Jul 5, 2016 at 3:32 pm

Nuke this ineffective poorly planned program already.

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