Whitehorse Daily Star

Councillor, business owner oppose bag ban

The answer to the city's plastic bag problem could be in a bylaw that would prohibit littering rather than a ban on plastic shopping bags, says Acting Mayor Jeanine Myhre.

By Stephanie Waddell on June 3, 2008

The answer to the city's plastic bag problem could be in a bylaw that would prohibit littering rather than a ban on plastic shopping bags, says Acting Mayor Jeanine Myhre.

At Monday night's city council meeting, Myhre questioned whether a delegate opposing the plastic bag ban would support an anti-litter bylaw.

The ban would mean shops couldn't give or sell plastic shopping bags when customers buy something.

Coun. Jan Stick, who has already stopped giving away the bags at her Well Read Books shop, proposed the city-wide ban in March.

It's expected city management officials will bring forward a report on its implications for council to consider later this month.

Stick cited litter problems, the negative environmental impacts and the significant number of bags going to the landfill in bringing forward the bylaw.

The delegate, veteran Whitehorse business owner Regent Therrien, argued the regulation against throwing litter out into general areas is already on the books. However, Myhre had discovered there's no such bylaw in place.

"It turns out it's not," she told Therrien.

While there's no litter bylaw in place, bylaw manager John Taylor said this morning there are provisions under the city's maintenance bylaw to deal with garbage.

Under the bylaw, building owners or occupants must keep their premises and sidewalks in front clean of any refuse.

Generally, the bylaw department works with the businesses and property owners to have sites cleaned up if they are in disrepair or need to be tidied up, he said.

There are also provisions under the parks and recreation bylaw that restrict the dumping of garbage in greenbelts, he said.

On a territorial level, the Motor Vehicles Act also deals with littering, Taylor said.

Myhre said she'd rather see a littering bylaw established than the plastic bag ban.

While she agrees with the proposed ban's goal to deal with the littering of the bags, it wouldn't be targeting the right people who are littering, she argued.

"It really bothers me philosophically," Myhre said of banning plastic shopping bags. "We're not punishing the people that are having the problem. We're punishing everybody."

Instead, there should be fines in place for people found littering rather than punishing others, she argued.

"At this rate, we should ban Tim Hortons," Myhre commented, noting many residents use plastic bags responsibly.

During his presentation, Therrien noted customers regularly bring their own plastic bags from other stores to his Peacock

Sales shop and he's re-used plastic shopping bags at the store since 1983.

He questioned whether the city had considered the "stress and dilemma" the ban would create for dog owners who use the bags for "poop and scoop".

"I'm not sure it's proper," Therrien argued.

He would rather see the situation remain as it is with choices for shoppers.

"I suggest business give the choice to the customer," he said, after arguing Whitehorse doesn't have the same problem with plastic bags larger centres like Toronto or Vancouver might.

"The law would be totally unenforceable," he said. He questioned whether the city would hire more bylaw officers or pick "victims" at random when it's enforced.

Therrien also asked whether the ban would extend to produce bags and other goods.

"What's next - condoms?" he questioned.

Coun. Dave Stockdale asked him what he would do if the ban actually did pass. Therrien said he would follow the law, but would prefer to have a choice in the matter.

Stick was absent from last night's meeting. While Myhre hasn't discussed her proposal with Stick, she said she will wait until the issue comes up on the council schedule to possibly bring forward a litter bylaw.

Comments (6)

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Joe Lucas on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:12 am

Blah blah blah blah.

Pay for bags eh? I bet you support CARBON TAXES aswell. Pay for your sins, feel all warm n fuzzy inside. Just for you I'm going to tape a $100 bill to my exsaust pipe. No emissions, consider me lil AL GORE. Ughhhhhhhhh. But according to your logic this will save the earth.

You people need to turn your TV off and wake up to reality. No more SURVIVER, BIG BROTHER, all that other garbage.

And in closing, you can send me all your global warming, plastic bags, carbon emissions money to my bank account, at least it will be put to good use. But not in this town though, I buy 95% of my goods online, so your money will not be supporting this town, but rather southern intrests.

Have a nice day.

:)

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JT on Jun 7, 2008 at 3:32 pm

I agree with Mike. Point of sale is the way to go.

You are well educated Joe. Plastics of all kinds are being reduced in some way and even a small change is better than no change. A ban on the use of plastic bags would not be a terrible thing.

Furthermore, people are going to steal if they want to steal. You don't think they won't fill a plastic bag with stolen items and walk out the door? I've seen it happen.

You can live in your plastic bag world Joe. We'll live in ours. I bought reusable bags. You should as well. You can write ANTI FACISM on them.

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Joe Lucas on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Hey mike.

You are the perfect example of the type of people that TV/MEDIA create.

Wheres the talk on the 95% of the goods we buy are made of plastic?

No time, because no one has any adacidy to talk LOGICAL.

You hippies think you are saving the earth.

Banning plastic bags will solve nothing, and increase THEFT in stores. People who bring their own bags,, OPPS, I forgot to take that 150$ mp3 player out to pay, aw well.

Just because jan stick does it, why should that be imposed on the whole town? In my opinion thats a weak form of FACISM.

Get out my life goverment.

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Bag Lady on Jun 4, 2008 at 9:35 am

Oh my. A littering bylaw will stop all the garbage. And pigs will fly.

A ban on plastic bags will stop the plastic bags from showing up everywhere. It also doesn't stop people from being able to buy and pack their groceries home. My goodness, I can even remember way back when (not that long ago really!!!!) when we only used paper bags. Imagine that! And now we can even use cloth bags. Only $.99 each at the grocery store.

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Jen M on Jun 4, 2008 at 8:58 am

Not a very progressive solution. Everyone "knows" they shouldn't litter- and a bylaw "making" them do it, won't change a thing.

Banning plastic bags at points of sale is not punishment, as implied by councillor. It is a win-win, that will just take all of us a bit of getting used to.

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Mike Peltier on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:28 am

An anti litter bylaw; what a totally silly and ineffective idea. Those who litter will ignore it and it's not enforceable. Banning new plastic shopping bags at point of sale is the sensible solution, it's enforceable. That also reduces the amount of plastic going into the landfill, which anti litter bylaws don't address. Those who want to continue using plastic bags for whatever reason, can start collecting them now.

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