Whitehorse Daily Star

Council poised to vote on curbside recycling

A mandatory curbside recycling collection program may be closer to reality after next Monday’s council meeting.

By Stephanie Waddell on January 5, 2016

A mandatory curbside recycling collection program may be closer to reality after next Monday’s council meeting.

That’s when council will vote on whether to move forward with the program that would see those on the city’s garbage and compost collection program pay an added fee – estimated at around $15 per month – to have most of their recyclables collected.

Shannon Clohosey, the city’s sustainability manager, told council last night that glass and styrofoam would not be included in the recyclables to be collected.

That’s due to safety concerns, the potential for styrofoam to “blow around,” and, given the territory’s distance from market, they are not seen as viable.

Most other recycling materials that residents can currently take to processors would be collected under the city program.

Residents could also continue to take the refundables and glass or styrofoam to local processors themselves.

Those not on the city’s collection system would also continue to drop off their recyclables at local processors’ facilities.

If council votes to move ahead next week, the city would put out a request for proposals to offer the service, which would determine the exact costs ratepayers would see added to their utility bills. The $15 per month estimate came out of a previous study done on the issue.

As Clohosey described in her report to council: “The service would be operated as a contact that ensures the contractor provides the service at a guaranteed set price for the duration of the contract.

“This service would provide dedicated funding for recycling from the residential sector and therefore help ensure the continuity of recycling in Whitehorse.

“Additionally, by using a competitive bidding process for the service, the city should obtain the best price possible for collection and processing.”

The city anticipates using federal gasoline tax funding or other capital funding to purchase the blue collection carts for the 5,800 homes that would be on the system, anticipated to cost about $550,000.

Education about the new program is estimated to be about $15,000 per year.

There could be additional city staff time required for contract management, billing and customer service, Clohosey said in her report.

“After responses to an RFP are received, administration will have a better indication of operating and capital expenses, and those will come forward for council review at that time,” she noted.

Clohosey then cited a number of impacts if the city opts not to implement the service.

“The Yukon government has completed public consultation on proposed amendments to the beverage container regulation that may increase funding available for recycling of beverage containers,” she said.

“The upcoming territorial election may lead to new programs or funding for waste management. Delaying a curbside recycling service would mean pressure on diversion credits would continue, as it is expected that the city’s diversion credits will be over-subscribed for 2015.

“The Yukon government has not announced their plans for diversion credits for 2016.”

Under the diversion credit programs offered by both the city and territory, recycling processors are offered financial compensation for the non-refundable recycling they ship out in recognition that they are keeping waste out of local landfills.

With that, Clohosey brought forward the recommendation that council move ahead with the program, garnering a mix of responses and questions from council members.

Some, like Mayor Dan Curtis and councillors Roslyn Woodcock and Jocelyn Curteanu, had questions and comments focused on the more positive aspects of the proposed program.

They noted the potential for the program to expand in future years and defended it as a way to help make recycling sustainable in the city.

Councillors Dan Boyd and Betty Irwin, however, raised questions and concerns over whether it should be pursued any further. They pointed to the high cost and impact on lower-income residents forced to pay more on their utility bills.

Meanwhile Coun. Samson Hartland offered a more middle-of-the-road view.

While he supports recycling efforts in the city, he said, he has concerns about how the new program would be done.

“We want to do it right,” Hartland said.

He later confirmed that the private sector has been consulted and that the plans fit with the city’s Solid Waste Action Plan.

Through much of the discussion, Boyd and Hartland led the questioning.

Boyd first noted that residential waste contributes to just 10 per cent of what goes in the landfill while the other 90 per cent is made up of commercial and industrial waste.

Clohosey responded by noting a number of initiatives that are underway or being planned to deal with commercial and industrial waste.

She said the residential program is just one part of a larger approach aimed at keeping waste out of the landfill.

It was also not lost on council members that bringing in the program would have a major impact on Whitehorse Blue Bin Recycling. It offers a voluntary curbside recycling program in the city for $20 plus the GST each month, along with a commercial pickup program with rates tailored to businesses.

Boyd raised the possibility that the city’s program could put Whitehorse Blue Bin Recycling out of business. Curtis later noted the company could submit a proposal for the contract.

The mayor and Woodcock each noted they are customers with the company and don’t hesitate to pay the bill each month to have their recyclables picked up.

As Woodcock noted, if the program is able to go ahead at the $15 per month fee, it would end up being less than what voluntary customers are paying now.

Woodcock was also quick to point out that the city’s compost collection program began in much the same way – collected from residential homes already on the city’s waste collection schedule – before being expanded to multi-family and commercial sites as it is now.

Responding to the possibility of existing businesses submitting proposals on the recycling contract, Boyd pointed out there is nothing to preclude other companies – potentially from outside the territory – from putting in proposals as well.

Boyd also raised issues with the estimated $1.2-million cost of the program. More funding could be put into raising diversion credits for less than the recycling program would cost, he added.

Clohosey explained part of the reason for the program is also about making sure recycling is sustainable.

She pointed to the closure of the Raven Recycling Society’s drop-off for non-refundables from October 2014 to May 2015 (the other processor in town remained open during that period).

Raven suspended its service because it couldn’t afford to process the material.

Clohosey noted the city’s proposed program is in part a response to Raven’s closure, and would help ensure recycling remains sustainable. Changes were also made to the diversion credit system in response.

As Curtis argued last night on the proposed recycling collection program: “We have no choice, or we’re going to lose our recycling processors.”

Also on hand at last night’s meeting was Raven president Jacqueline Bedard.

She made a presentation reviewing Raven’s history, noting the uncertainty faced in the recycling industry and voicing support for the proposed program. As Bedard argued, once a contract is awarded, “one piece of the puzzle will be solved.”

Boyd continued to bring up issues around the overall cost of the program and so on. Irwin argued the need to more aggressively target other sectors that contribute a larger amount of waste in the landfill.

She noted a $15-per-month increase on utility bills could have a significant impact on lower-income residents. She then compared targeting the residential waste sector to shooting sparrows with an anti-aircraft gun. The sparrows will be shot, Irwin said, but you’re not looking at the big picture.

Coun. Rob Fendrick was absent from last night’s meeting.

Comments (37)

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CJ on Jan 9, 2016 at 7:35 pm

@confused, your analogy to smoking and seat belt laws is way off. Only people who get curbside pickup will receive this service. I won't receive it, for example. So I'm concerned that the impact on Raven, in particular, since that's the one I use, will lead to them closing down or changing in some way that has me affected the way I am for landfill. I pay way more for tipping fees than people who have curbside pickup, and despite input about this, the city hasn't responded to those concerns at all in the past few years.

Or look at the compost program. They've spent several hundred thousand dollars on compost facilities, and now they're charging people to drop off compostibles. Where did people get to weigh in on that kind of investment, and where was the potential for that kind of result ever considered?

I think the concern about bears is more than valid. Recyclables are often sticky and fragrant. Bears are interested in containers that held edibles several days before, even if they're rinsed out. That's one reason I get rid of recyclables as quickly as possible. When we're trying to minimize attractants -- and I believe the city's curbside pickup schedule has a lot to answer for in this regard -- why are we piling them on?

Your comment that making something mandatory works for this kind of issue is a "fact" is not a fact, especially if it turns out that those of us who don't get curbside pickup have no incentive to sort, since we're paying more regardless.

Add to this that there's two operations already doing a fine job that will be negatively impacted, as the city acknowledges, and I think we have good reason to vigorously challenge the foundation of this proposal. I honestly can see in no way how this proposal improves on the services available to us now, or that their record on pricing and management of services shouldn't raise red flags.

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¿mandatory? recycling ??? on Jan 9, 2016 at 5:51 pm

Perhaps imposing their will and coercive techniques seem to work in the South where these "sustainability experts" come from with their "we know what's best for you" attitudes. It won't work here, and more people will show their displeasure by tossing their bags of unsorted garbage into whatever bin is picked up that week.

Instead of trying to force people into doing what they don't want to do, the CoW should be subsidizing the existing Blue Box pick-up businesses so they can reduce the cost of their service. The same subsidy should be available to any business that establishes a Blue Box service. Lowering the cost will get more people involved. That would be an effective use of our limited tax dollars.

Catnip always works better than sticks when you're trying to herd cats.

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Confused on Jan 9, 2016 at 1:36 pm

Jwhite - You can't possibly be recycling close to what we do. We have 3 - 4 times as much recycling than garbage in every two week pickup. Essentially we have a large blue bin the same size as the black and green bins and sometimes another 1 - 2 other large recycling bags full on each pickup. We are avid recyclers and also enjoy the luxury of not sorting through the current Blue Bin program.

I too don't see all the compost bins at the curb but only a few and I pay close attention. I have always believed recycling should have been imposed before composting. After all plastic, metal, glass, etc does not decompose whereas organics do and this cannot be disputed.

At my work I accumulate trailer loads of recycling every few months and take it in myself. I also frequent the landfill for other waste and see first hand how current recycling is not working. COW garbage trucks are constantly unloading huge amounts of waste mixed with recyclables.

The point I'm trying to get across is that it would be wonderful if we as a society didn't need laws and regulations to govern ourselves. Wouldn't it be great! The unfortunate reality is this is good only in theory but without certain rules in place you will always find individuals that will not abide by what is the morally right thing to do and will fall upon what is easy or more convenient for them, regardless of the consequence to others or the environment.

We will survive this transition. Perhaps not at first but eventually the public will recycle more than currently and this is a good thing for all of us.

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well I'm a bit confused too on Jan 9, 2016 at 12:50 pm

I've read the article, seen Raven Recycling reps' letter to the paper and comments on Samson Hartland's facebook post (their communication skills could use a boost btw). So I 'think' that they are supporting this proposal so that the money obtained from charging $15/month will go to helping support an enhanced recycling program. But P&M seems to be silent and, as the Blue Box owners, I'd like to hear what they have to say. At the end of the day though, I don't believe City of Whitehorse can successfully manage a program like this, and I do resent an additional 'mandatory' charge.

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Jwhite on Jan 9, 2016 at 10:49 am

Confused - to answer some of your questions: We drive to P&M 2 or 3 times a year, and we combine the trip with other errands. P&M does the separating, and we spend just a few minutes there on each trip. We set up our recycle bins so that they are convenient and easy and, as I said, not having to separate saves considerable time. It really amounts to just dropping that pop or tin can into a bin on our way out the door. So the time investment is very little, no matter what dollar value might be attached to it.

I have also noticed that garbage bins are overflowing - but in our neighbourhood, you can usually see garbage bins at every house on every pickup day, but the same does not hold true for compost bins on compost day. This tells me that, despite mandatory compost pickup, people are not participating. They are still putting compost in garbage. It is difficult to accept that things will be any different with mandatory recylce pickup.

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Confused on Jan 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm

I'm incredibly confused when I read people saying they already recycle and it costs them nothing, do they not value their time? What about the storage of the massive amounts of recycling that quickly builds up? I pay Blue Bin for my recycling and ever since my life has been better. The problem is I still see overflowing garbage bins everywhere while mine is never full. You can be assured these people don't put the same time and effort forth when it comes to recycling that all of you who have commented below. When it's voluntary only some of us will do it. If it's mandatory, then more will. That is fact. I don't agree that anything that can currently be recycled should be disallowed. Styrofoam and glass needs to be included. Other municipalities manage to collect this and so should we. Our planet needs us to recycle and if it's not enforced we can forget about ever coming close to zero waste. To those who say they will either throw their recycling in the garbage or out the window, I'm disgusted. You obviously don't get it. Perhaps we should stop curb side garbage collection or make it voluntary while we're at it. I'm sure you can find the time and ease of collecting your waste and managing this on your own. Sounds crazy doesn't it.

I remember when the Yukon banned smoking first in public buildings then in restaurants and bars and the public outcry was laughable. Many business owners said they would go under. Well that didn't happen and we adjusted. Now thinking about it makes most of us cringe at the thought of how we used to put up with smoking in those venues. I also remember when seat belt laws came into effect. Many including me fought this but it didn't take long to realize I was completely in the wrong to object. Get a grip Whitehorse. We need to get with the times. If you want to save the planet it requires some adjustments. If you really think $15/month is ludicrous perhaps you should think about what your time is worth. Seriously how much time does it take you to collect and deliver your recycling? I'm guessing if you calculate it you will find out $15/month is pretty cheap. The is unless you value your time at well below minimum wage. Lets not forget the collective carbon footprint from all of you individually driving your recycling into the depots over and over again with your Protect the Peel bumper stickers for all to see. Think about it.

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LOL - yet again on Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm

15 per month x 5800 households is roughly 1,044,000.00 per year! Yikes....... am I ever in the wrong business! Your all fired!

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Good suggestion about council on Jan 8, 2016 at 11:16 am

The problem is they don't read the emails and you are not permitted to directly address mayor on these issue because he will not permit it. People have tried.

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jc on Jan 7, 2016 at 12:22 pm

There's always the bush. And it's free!

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J. White on Jan 7, 2016 at 12:17 pm

If you have a position on this matter, and if you want Council to listen to your position, then make your position known to them. Don't expect Council to base their decision on anonymous comments posted here. Go to the City website, chose City Council, scroll down to contact us and send an email to council. Or appear before them at a meeting. Anonymous comments will not carry any weight. Silly threats about tossing your containers out the car window won't have much impact either. So far, the comments here habve mostly been thoughtful and respectful. It would be such a treat to keep it that way.

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yukoner on Jan 7, 2016 at 8:27 am

I recycle it costs me nothing. If you make me pay it's all going to the land fill or better yet out the window of my vehicle every time I go out of town. Bad idea on the city's part. Just another cash grab.

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Just Say'in on Jan 6, 2016 at 10:08 pm

Council Members, the people have spoken. Read the comments and count the Thumbs up vs Thumbs down.

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Mayor will push it through on Jan 6, 2016 at 3:11 pm

anyway. He does not listen to the people. What else is new.

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CJ on Jan 6, 2016 at 12:15 pm

I really can't see that they've made a sound case for the city to do curbside pick-up for recycling. Raven Recycling hasn't seemed to weigh in. The whole rationale seems to be that they were shut down last year. As for $15/month -- please. Landfill costs regularly double from one budget to the next. No doubt that recycling would join their list of go-to revenue hikes. By the way, where is the revenue for this going? If they say there is no revenue because it will barely break even (as they say for landfill costs), why are they doing it? Is it a make-work program for city workers?

If it's administration that told Hartland the private sector was consulted, I'm skeptical about that. And Woodcock and the mayor weighing in with, they don't hesitate to pay their recycling bill -- I should hope not, since they chose to contract with the company. But what does that have to do with this proposal? This is "sustainability" at its worst, a tax grab with some preaching attached to it, with potential to harm a couple of long term operations and only serve the portion of residents who get curbside pickup.

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struggling to pay bills on Jan 6, 2016 at 12:08 pm

Info behind recommendation should be public. Defer decision to after Territorial election. The Economy is bad. There are better ways to fund waste reduction - front end fees at purchase etc. Largest waste producers should be priority focus. Residents have been targeted too much with these "stick" methods because it's easier for CoW. The proposed system won't increase the # of people recycling. More styrofoam, glass & other items not collected will end up in landfill since proposal is a dis-incentive to those now taking them to depot (where residents pre-sort so reducing costs to depot). Refundables is a "carrot" method. Will bins be more wildlife-proof than City supplied garbage & compost bins? Don't want even more feeding of foxes in Riverdale or bears elsewhere. FYI, our family's efforts mean we produce so little garbage our blk bin only needs pickup/full every 6wks or longer.

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How business is done on Jan 6, 2016 at 11:53 am

I love how business gets done up here...

Out of frustration at government inaction, a couple of enterprising individuals started up a non-profit organization to offer curb-side recycling collection. Lo-and-behold, the venture was not only successful, but profitable enough to become a viable business. Well, now that the business model is proven successful, the City is willing to move in and elbow out the people who stepped in when the City wouldn't.

Nor is this unique to the City. Why did we have to spend years fundraising for an MRI machine? Shouldn't that have been a line item under the Department of Health capital budget? Why do we allow our various levels of Government to cower behind their ineptitude while we seize the reins and do their jobs for them through various non-profit and for-profit enterprises?

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This must be a first - all commenters are in agreement (so far) on Jan 6, 2016 at 11:10 am

If I understand the proposal correctly, I will pay $15/month for something I already do for $0. In fact it will cost more than that, because I could get a few dollars for my recyclables (I choose to donate the $$ to minor hockey). In addition, this proposal doesn't solve the big problem, which is the waste from commercial and industrial sectors (90%, according to Councillor Boyd). So I guess I need some help understanding this ... either that, or it's just a bad idea.

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Andy Odel on Jan 6, 2016 at 11:01 am

Not long ago there was controversy over rental costs in the city. The illustrious Mr Mayor was leading the charge against landlords who by his way of thinking, we're overcharging tenants for rent. Now he wants to add an additional cost for utilities. Does he think landlords will be picking up the tab for his new recycle plan? These costs will be added in rental increases, then he can squawk again about the greedy landlords.
We already do our own recycling and don't need the city sticking it's nose into another high cost program that is of no real benefit.
Try cutting costs of city programs instead of adding more costs to already over taxed residents.

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Smurf on Jan 6, 2016 at 9:18 am

Wait until next week!
It wouldn't be a surprise that they approve it anyway.
Just to justify the existence of the sustainability manager and to praise themselves what good job they have done...

I'm pretty sure that at least 3/4 of the citizens said no to this program but our "whatever she's doing manager" won't release the numbers!
Unbelievable what's going on in this once so nice city: Spending money like hell on unnecessary projects but having crumbling roads and not enough or broken equipment and useless / overpaid positions!

Moving is already scheduled for spring. I rather pay taxes somewhere else with a way better infrastructure and cheaper housing then up here!

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north_of_60 on Jan 5, 2016 at 7:45 pm

Mayor & Council,
Terminate the Department of Sustainability Department.
It serves no useful purpose and provides zero net benefit to the taxpayers who are forced to pay for it. The money saved by eliminating this redundantly redundant bureaucracy will more than cover the cost of eliminating tipping fees for household waste at the landfill EVERY weekend. This waste belongs in the landfill or recycled, not dumped in the wilderness surrounding our neighborhoods.

This "DoSD" was the brainchild of a once popular City Councilor who has left the civic arena to pursue more lofty political goals. Like many things, it seemed like a good idea at the time, however now is the time for it to follow him out the door.

Spend our tax dollars wisely; that's what you were elected to do.

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Charles on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:28 pm

I don't see any positive comments about this program so far. When are COW going to listen to their residents? I already pay for compost pick up that I rarely use because I do my own composting. Now they want to impose another fee & want us to pay for compulsory recycling that some of us may not use. Stinks! No glass; so what they want, along with a few cans, is all the refundables so they can take the pocket change from homeowners as well as the fee. Pretty soon it will be illegal to take your own recyclables to the depot. Irresponsible folk who don't recycle will still throw everything in their regular garbage. If they want to take over a private company, make it voluntary.

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Everybody in two separate says on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:26 pm

NO!!! Actually what most of my friends are saying is dump this sustainability department and the high paid managers who somehow seem to find ways of continually raising our taxes and not really giving a whole lot back.

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north_of_60 on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:26 pm

Mayor & Council,

OUR fuel tax refunds ARE NOT your personal slush fund to fritter away on whatever scheme you decide to label as 'sustainable'.

Fuel tax refunds should first be used to fix our roads and upgrade traffic signals to improve traffic flow and ultimately reduce wasteful, polluting idling in traffic. Once our roads are brought up to current standards, only then should we be looking at other lower priority expenditures.

That half a million of OUR tax dollars you propose to spend on more plastic carts, should instead be spent to install left turn signals at 2nd & Main and the top of the South Access at the Alaska highway.

Stop wasting our hard-earned tax dollars on frivolous, trendy, whims.

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100's of Whitehorse residents against this move on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:14 pm

but the mayor will not listen to the people who voted him in.

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Pjt1959 on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:13 pm

Wow, if the city council would read the comments they would see the majority of us do not want to pay for this service. But they hired a person at a $100,000 a year so they have to come up with ways to cost tax payers more and hire more people. Council can't read so we know it is going to cost us and they will pat themselves on the back. But we must remember they only listen to special interest groups not the majority. Phone the councilors and tell them no. That's my rant.

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north_of_60 on Jan 5, 2016 at 5:08 pm

Private enterprise should provide curbside recycling pick-up for those who want to pay for the service. They are the only ones who will sort and recycle. The others will simply place their unsorted garbage in whatever color bin is picked up that week. Why should anyone pay more to get rid of the garbage that's already collected?

I do not support this poorly thought out experiment in social engineering which will waste my tax dollars for the CoW to compete inefficiently with private enterprise and at great public expense.

This is doomed to fail just like the social engineering experiment to force people to supposedly create less garbage at the dump by increasing tipping fees. It appears to 'work' with less going to the dump, but fails to recognize that garbage is now piling up in the bush areas inside city limits and beyond, more than ever before. Of course those who live in 'urban-old-town' never see this and probably think their social engineering experiments are succeeding.

These social engineering experiments are the misguided initiatives of the CoW's Department of Sustainability Department, and the taxpaying public does not like them, and will not support them.

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A.F. on Jan 5, 2016 at 4:47 pm

There is already a voluntary program in place. How about the city deal with issues that are needing to be fixed? I prefer to take my own recycling and it costs me nothing and teaches my son a valuable lesson. Adding more to my bill is not ok. We pay enough in taxes and services.

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Wayne on Jan 5, 2016 at 4:28 pm

How about concentrating on allowing 5800 tax payers to sustain their ability to live in this town? Sustainability indeed!

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Thomas Brewer on Jan 5, 2016 at 4:27 pm

As citizens of this city, we need to make our voices heard. Council sits at 5:30 pm on Monday, so next week head down to City Hall and join me in shouting down this unnecessary 'service' which will still require us to take our glass and styrofoam to Raven/P&M.

NO NO NO

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Lost in the Yukon on Jan 5, 2016 at 4:12 pm

Dearest the Mayor Promised ... the Sustainability Manager was asked for a copy of the tables and responses to the questions from the "survey" they did that has led to this cash grab. The City had put a summary on their website. The answer was "NO". All this tells us is that the numbers have been manipulated to fit an existing agenda.

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quit wasting MY money on Jan 5, 2016 at 4:12 pm

How about NO. I choose to recycle because I want to and as "Yukoner" says, it costs me nothing.

I agree recycling is a good thing, but why would I want to pay for something I can do for free...similar to walking outside for free instead of walking on the track at the CGC for a fee.

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No, No, No!!! on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:56 pm

You are going to charge me a $15 monthly fee for something I don't need or want due to recycling on my own anyways. Then to top that off you won't even take glass or Styrofoam so on top of your useless service and fee I will still have to take those recyclables to the depot! Mayor Curtis and Council stop this now, I am not paying $180 per year for a useless service that will still require me to drive to the recycling anyways!

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sustainable joke on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:48 pm

This sustainability department is such a joke. Looks like there will be a whole lot more of "putting the tire back in McIntire creek" coming real soon. Complete tax grab. Now when are we getting our paved ski trails?

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This mayor promised a number of things during the election on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:48 pm

higher taxes, fees, costs of services, more servicing cost etc.
You get what you vote for.
Before the vote please make public aware of the cost benefit analysis on this proposal.

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No more fees on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm

How about: NO!
Taxpayers are dying a slow death by a thousand cuts.
Why doesn't COW show some leadership and find internal efficiencies to cover the full cost of this program?

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yukoner on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:14 pm

Bulls**t, I do my own recycling and it costs me nothing.

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boo on Jan 5, 2016 at 3:02 pm

Make voluntary not mandatory. You're just adding more fees to make living here more expensive.

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