Council moves forward with recycling program
The city is moving ahead with plans for curbside recycling pickup, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing.
By Stephanie Waddell on January 12, 2016
The city is moving ahead with plans for curbside recycling pickup, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing.
At its meeting Monday, council voted 5-2 in favour of proceeding with a request for proposals (RFP) on the program (with councillors Dan Boyd and Samson Hartland voting against), but stopped short of promising to implement it.
Rather, Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu proposed, and most council members agreed, on a wording change to the proposal that took out the word “implementation” and called on the Yukon government to work on the issue throughout the territory.
The motion that was adopted directed city administration
• “.... to proceed with a request for proposals for a private sector solution for the development of an affordable recycling program that includes both collection and processing services; and
• “The administration is further directed to work with the Government of Yukon for the development of financially sustainable territory-wide solutions for recycling.”
As Curteanu explained in an interview following the meeting, the previous recommendation may have left residents with the wrong impression by using the word “implementation.”
Many people she spoke to or who contacted her with concerns had been left thinking the city would automatically go ahead with a program.
Curteanu was quick to note that going ahead with the RFP allows council to look at exactly what the costs would be without necessarily committing to the program.
She realized there was an issue over the weekend and contacted Mayor Dan Curtis and city staff about possibly changing the motion. Staff brought forward the wording change, but Curteanu said she wasn’t sure how members would vote on it.
“We just wanted to add clarity,” she said, noting the need to deal with recycling in a more sustainable way that involves all parties from government to those in the industry.
The current system sees recycling processors in the city provided with city and territorial diversion credits – funds based on the amount of non-refundables they ship out in recognition of waste being kept out of the landfill.
Changes, including increases, were made to the diversion credit system after the Raven Recycling Society closed its non-refundable drop-off area for parts of 2014 and 2015. The society argued diversion credits were not covering the costs of shipping materials out.
The changes made to the diversion credit system, while more long-term planning to deal with recycling has been underway, are not sustainable, Curtis made clear last night. He noted that for 2015, the city is $80,000 over its $150,000 budget on the credits.
While the initial $150,000 comes out of tipping fees the city collects, the remaining $80,000 will have to come out of funds.
As part of the more long-term work on recycling, the city had a study done on the possibility of a curbside recycling program for those on the city’s garbage and compost collection system.
The program is proposed to be operated by the private sector.
Early estimates from the study suggest the fee for the collection would be about $15 per month in addition to the garbage and compost collection fees.
A private company, Whitehorse Blue Bin Recycling, already offers a voluntary collection program. Its approximately 800 customers pay $20 plus the GST per month to have their recycling picked up every other week.
In a presentation early during last night’s meeting, company president Fraser Lang argued the city should let the private sector continue working on diverting waste from the landfill.
“I truly believe the private sector can take care of this,” Lang said, stressing the uncertainty the matter is creating for his business.
The company has recently expanded into offering commercial recycling pickup, he said. However, the residential service continues to be the base of the company, and without that, it would cease to exist.
Trying to grow the business is difficult, given the city’s potential plans for a city-wide collection program, Lang said.
Banks, he added, won’t want to lend money to a company that could be forced out of business in the coming months. Nor would the company want to make upgrades if it may go out of business shortly.
Lang acknowledged Whitehorse Blue Bin may bid and win the potential contract.
But he also said there would be nothing stopping a larger Outside firm from bringing forward the winning proposal either.
Outside council chambers following the vote, Lang said that while he would have liked to see the city permit private business to continue to work on the issue as it is, he wasn’t surprised by council’s vote.
“We’re definitely interested,” he said.
Some preliminary work for a proposal has been done, he added, as the company was involved when the city started exploring the issue.
“We have the experience,” he said.
Local resident Cam Kos also made a presentation early in the meeting, calling on council not to proceed with the program.
As he pointed out, those who want to recycle are already doing so.
Those who don’t want to probably won’t – regardless of a program.
There’s already a number of residents on the city’s collection program putting waste into their compost bin and vice-versa, Kos pointed out, predicting a similar situation when recycling is added to the mix.
“I don’t know that the benefits are there,” he said.
Denise Chisholm was the only other resident to speak publicly about the program, urging council to move ahead with it. As is the case with garbage and compost fees, residents should be paying the actual cost of recycling, she argued.
“We cannot ignore the fact we have to deal with our own waste,” Chisholm said
She wondered about what could happen for future generations when the landfill is full if something is not done to divert waste.
“Our waste is not garbage, it is a resource,” she said, pointing to the use of compost, repurposed goods and materials that are recycled into other goods.
“The current system is not sustainable,” Chisholm said.
All members of council appeared to agree on that point, noting the need to keep waste out of the city dump.
While residential waste might only make up 10 per cent of what ends up in the landfill, Coun. Rob Fendrick argued the proposed curbside program could lead to a much-needed cultural shift.
“I feel it’s the right thing to do,” he said, stating his belief that it’s the city’s responsibility to oversee all solid waste issues in the city.
Coun. Betty Irwin, meanwhile, noted that moving ahead with the RFP does not guarantee the program will proceed.
“One solution may not fit Whitehorse,” she said, adding council needs the information that will come from the proposals to find out whether such a solution does or doesn’t fit.
The city has to try to find new answers to deal with recycling.
As Curteanu pointed out, without changes to how recycling is managed, processors will go under.
“We need a co-ordinated effort,” she said.
Coun. Roslyn Woodcock summed it up: “We’re on thin ice. Something must be done.”
Meanwhile, along with voicing his support and echoing the need for change with fellow councillors, the mayor also countered criticisms he’s heard from the public.
Many have argued glass and styrofoam should be included in the city’s proposed program. (Staff explained last week that those materials wouldn’t be, due to safety concerns with glass, the possibility of styrofoam blowing around and the high costs to ship it out.)
Curtis, however, was quick to note non-refundable glass taken to recycling processors already ends up in the landfill because it’s too costly to ship out.
Joy Snyder, Raven Recycling’s executive director, confirmed this morning that glass is not shipped out due to the expense. She noted it’s not cost-effective to do so unless it’s within an 800-kilometre (500-mile) radius of a glass recycling plant.
Glass brought to local processors, she explained, is crushed and usually sent to the landfill, where it’s used as cover. It can also be used as a sort of “sand” material such as the glass green at the Annie Lake golf course.
Snyder also pointed out that most curbside recycling programs Outside don’t accept glass.
She did note Raven does ship out styrofoam residents bring in and that even with a curbside program, they could continue to bring it into Raven.
Describing Monday night’s vote as “good news,” Snyder said it shows the city is sticking to its Solid Waste Action Plan.
While council made it clear that no firm decision on the program itself has been made, Snyder noted she’s hopeful the RFP will deliver a good price for the program and it will then proceed.
While Hartland and Boyd noted their support for waste diversion efforts, they argued the need to work in other ways toward that.
Hartland was clear in his support for the part of the motion calling on the city and Yukon government to work together on recycling efforts, but pointed out the private sector is already providing the blue bin service to those who want it.
Boyd, meanwhile, noted that while he is more supportive of the motion brought forward by Curteanu, he just couldn’t support it after hearing the public concerns expressed.
He also pointed to the need to provide the private sector with certainty around whether the city will implement a program.
“We should not stand on the ground any longer,” he said.
Following the RFP process, council will review the proposals that come in and decide how to proceed from there.
Comments (28)
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north_of_60 on Jan 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm
Terminating the 'sustainability department' is very pro-environment. This useless, redundant bureaucratic window-dressing sucks-up valuable limited resources that should go to improving recycling. Spending the half a million tax dollars wasted on this 'sustainability' boondoggle, directly on our recycling organizations, would make their operations more efficient and cost-effective. Recyclable waste is already our most sustainable resource. We don't need to spend half a million dollars of our hard-earned tax dollars on a needless bureaucracy of southern 'experts' to restate the obvious. Instead, put that money to good use making recycling work.
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moe on Jan 16, 2016 at 7:54 pm
I agree with Joe. At least start storing the metals. Some year in the future it will be a rich place to mine! (or at least to sell the material)
Why spend money shipping it south for a net loss?
And as for the glass, crush it and pile it up. It's not toxic so far as I am aware, and someday that stockpile might be useful for something.
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north_of_60 on Jan 16, 2016 at 2:00 pm
Mayor and Council
How do you justify spending at least half a million of taxpayer dollars on a 'sustainability department' when our recycle organizations struggle to meet expenses? There's a growing belief that you're not spending our tax dollars wisely.
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Pooville on Jan 15, 2016 at 11:38 am
The people who don't want to pay for recycling should be forced to pay for closing the landfill and opening a new one. They obviously don't understand economics and want to be penny wise and pound foolish. Let them.
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CJ on Jan 15, 2016 at 11:15 am
@zsoka, I didn't hear any "massive cry out" for curbside recycling. People wanted Raven to reopen. What I saw was the city saying they supported Raven and then inserting their own agenda into it. It was blatantly obvious where they were going, but I did not hear that coming from the public.
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Mass cry out for curbside recycling? on Jan 15, 2016 at 6:18 am
I must have missed that - I recall a few folks from Raven appearing before Council, can't recall any marches or cry outs.
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Rhino on Jan 14, 2016 at 8:33 pm
@mICHELLE the problem with those compostable containers is that they don't break down in the regular landfill. They need heat, moisture and sometimes light to break down. If that wasn't the case, the products would be "composting" as they sit in boxes in warehouses.
If it goes in the conventional landfill, that fancy, greenwashed (and more expensive!) cup isn't going to break down any faster than the McDonald's cup beside it.
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Joe on Jan 14, 2016 at 5:57 pm
Why are we doing this to ourselves? Why not build a bigger landfill and a large long term storage facility for recyclable materials and eventually have enough to process them? All this waste of money moving garbage around from one city to another is the most foolish thing ever. Whitehorse should be more innovative and find a way to deal with garbage. Oh wait, we don't have a department for that.
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zsoka on Jan 14, 2016 at 3:39 pm
May I just point out that when Raven closed to the public there was a mass cry out for a curbside recycling program... from tax payers... what do you think started all the research into a curbside program in the first place?
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We have trails program in a mess on Jan 14, 2016 at 3:16 pm
You have waste management in a mess.
You have the cost of services going through the roof and nothing being done about it.
You have the City putting small business out of business.
You have the City talking and no one working on homelessness.
You have the City not wanting pave roads but more trails.
You have the City giving away public money with out a cost benefit analysis.
This is only some of messes going on in this city and it has to stop.
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north_of_60 on Jan 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm
@CJ is correct. This isn't about recycling per se, but rather about Mayor and Council's ongoing record of imposing their will on taxpayers with an elitist, "We know what's best for you attitude". We deserve transparent and accountable leadership, not this disrespectful elitist attitude.
We want affordable, effective recycling, however they're going about it in the wrong way and only listening to the bureaucrats they've hired from Outside, not the taxpayers.
They appear to be set on punishing residents with mandatory increased fees, while more than 90% of the landfill 'garbage' is from commercial users.
Why don't they stop harassing residents and simply charge commercial users higher tipping fees to cover the landfill and diversion costs? Make the biggest users pay.
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CJ on Jan 14, 2016 at 11:19 am
"It's the cost of three lattes"... another misleading analogy. When fees go up for services, rent goes up to cover it. Anyway, I think it's people who think nothing of spending almost $10 on a cup of coffee that are pricing these services.
It's not just the proposed cost, it's the city's record so far. You should be able to tie such costs into results. Once they get their way on this, you'll never hear from them again, except at budget time, when they quietly raise those fees and rationalize it with those kinds of comparisons. "It's the cost of 3 lattes". Give me a break. Talk about an entitled world view.
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mICHELLE on Jan 14, 2016 at 10:14 am
I think we need to reduce the amount of take-out food/drink garbage. Compostable take-out containers are available. Let's ban the non-compostable containers from the Yukon. That way if they end up in the landfill, they will break down. That also goes for plastic utensils. Compostable ones are available. And Coffee drinkers can bring in their own re-usable cups or be charged a $1 fee.
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Smurf on Jan 13, 2016 at 4:01 pm
@Jwhite: Maybe our mayor should go back to school!
Glass takes thousands of years to break down in a landfill - so much about a environment friendly city!
http://classroom.synonym.com/long-glass-bottle-degrade-landfill-17886.html
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Smurf on Jan 13, 2016 at 2:15 pm
It seems to me that they'll only create another source of revenue to put the money towards other departments or projects which are already subsidized and operating with a big loss like the sustainability or transit department...
Also there is no word about how they want to finance the renovation or removal of the old buildings (asbestos!) when the "castle" is finished.
A good way to collect money for it, too!
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If you go ahead on Jan 13, 2016 at 1:31 pm
and Blue box does not get the contract! What then? Great for a law suit!
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north_of_60 on Jan 13, 2016 at 12:22 pm
@Dinosaur Joe "..pay the measly $15 (adds up to be about 3 lattes at their favourite coffee shop) "
That's all well and good for affluent people like you who can afford to buy $5 sugar-laced coffee drinks two or three times a day. Perhaps you should consider that not everyone is as affluent as you, especially seniors and others on fixed incomes. For many, the cost of your daily sugary-beverages puts dinner on the table for their family.
Maybe there should be a $1 municipal tax on your sugar-laced coffee drinks; that money could easily fund the recycling programs.
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north_of_60 on Jan 13, 2016 at 12:08 pm
Mayor and Councilors,
As quoted in the CBC online news [12/01/16] "What we're saying is, we don't know what to do" about mandatory fees for some residents to pay for city managed curbside pick-up of recycled materials. That's what it comes down to. The recycling isn't in any way mandatory, people will do what they choose about recycling, but you sure want to impose mandatory fees; you've made that quite clear.
I'm a taxpayer and a voter, and like thousands of other Whitehorse residents I elected you and I pay your salaries; you work for us. You don't work for some municipality association that gives out bogus 'sustainability awards'. We didn't elect you to pursue personal or hidden agendas, regardless of how trendy or lofty they may seem at the time. You are supposed to make decisions that represent our majority views and opinions, that's the job we pay you for.
What you should you do? Start by reading all the comments on issues you're deciding that appear in the newspapers, both in print and online, plus the CBC online discussion forums. That's where you will see how the majority of opinions trend on the issues reported. That's an essential part of your job. Consider those written opinions along with letters you receive when you make decisions. The comments in the Whitehorse Star are especially informative because readers can rate them with 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down'. Learn what a broad spectrum of residents think about your ideas, and consider that above the self-serving opinions of City bureaucrats. Remember, you work for us, not the bureaucrats.
Regarding the issue at hand, nearly all of the comments in the newspapers and online forums cited above are overwhelmingly against your initiative to impose mandatory recycling fees and contract one company to provide the curbside pick-up service, and clearly against your meddling with the established Blue Box services to put all but one out of business.
The following salient points emerge from those discussions and comments.
► Terminate the sustainability department. This useless bureaucratic appendage sucks-up resources that should be used to get the job done.
► Use the money saved by eliminating that waste of resources to assist the existing private sector recyclers and 'blue box' curbside pick-up services, to make them more cost effective. Help the Blue Box services reduce their cost to the residents who want that service.
While you're at it, eliminate landfill tipping fees for residential household waste on weekends. The majority of tipping fee revenue comes from commercial users not residential users. The small amount of lost revenue is much less than the increased cost of picking up garbage that some people dump in the wilderness areas of our city. That didn't happen nearly as much before you increased residential waste tipping fees.
There, now you should know what to do. I apologize if you don't like a taxpayer/voter telling you what to do, however that's our job. We're glad you asked for our opinions when you said "we don't know what to do."
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Agreed on Jan 13, 2016 at 12:08 pm
If the City's proposal is so necessary, they are doing a terrible job of communicating it (yes, I too checked out the City website under Waste Management areas). It's not enough to say 'I feel it's the right thing to do' (Councillor Fendrick) - you need to sell it. And I have lost a lot of respect for the folks at Raven, both for their shutdown last year, and their comments over this matter.
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Cam on Jan 13, 2016 at 10:58 am
Let's not forget the FACTS from the city's own website.
Household waste makes up only 7% of the solid waste going to the dump.
Of which, 40% is presently going to compost and it is estimated it could be as high as 60% if some of us stopped putting carrot peelings, etc in the garbage.
So if we hit 60% of the 7% residential going to compost, that leaves a MAXIMUM of 3.8% of residential garbage available to reduce to work toward the city's diversion goal.
It was stated 10% of the garbage is recyclable (if I understood the comments right at the meeting) so that means we could SAVE 0.38% from going to the dump?!? Are new fees worth it? What is the true gain if that is the best scenario with 100% participation?
What will be the increased costs when those defiant few dump garbage into recycling and require the hiring of even more people to 'SORT' the garbage from recycling? They dump it in the bush already so how will this help?!?
I still feel the approach is wrong and public education and information is a better approach to take first (where is the fire speeding this through?) instead of charging the 800+ (blue bin customers) and 100-1000?? people who already drive to raven and drop stuff off (number not tracked or recorded I'm told as it's an open parking lot). Another 'forced' program seems to me to be a negative approach to try and encourage participation, and a step backward for democracy to me too...
Isn't the compost program already 'costing' us and garnering only 60-80% participation while being called successful? I think calling a program a 'success' is in the eye of the beholder, and we need to rethink jumping into any new program that is not financially 'self-sustaining', especially in the present ecomonic climate!
Finally, why is the city assuming responsibility for the end level processing? Raven gets federal and territorial money for the bulk of that. Shouldn't there be a business model and plan in place ensuring program goals are set and financial due diligence has been conducted before the city potentially increases the work sent to them. Or are we flying by the seat of our pants? I go to Raven and drop stuff off all the time in the outside bins, but feel the city shouldn't be 'taking over' the financial burden for a Yukon non-profit if it isn't working out presently. (I don't know Raven's financials, but saying in the council meeting we need to cover their cost deficiencies seems like they are becoming another city department). Just my thoughts, and I can respect other opinions, but perhaps let's break away from the 'everyone else does it this way' and 'group-think' on some of these program and governance models.
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Yukoner on Jan 13, 2016 at 8:24 am
Good job on the city running a business out of business and yes I too will no longer recycle if this goes through. As it is right now I remove labels rinse everything and take it to P&M myself. I will no longer do this. I will send all mine to the landfill.
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CJ on Jan 12, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Residents weren't left with the "wrong impression" when the motion used the word "implement". Maybe council was, if they didn't realize that's what the motion said.
With regard to the 800 people who use the service -- how many people use Raven's service? 800 people aren't that many, and it could suggest people aren't willing to pay that much, depending how many people use Raven. The figure of 800 also could suggest the city has a steep hill to climb in education, and maybe that's where the effort should go, considering there's two options available now. Deal with the diversionary credit cost as an alternative to expanding city's services.
With regard to the delegate's assertion that waste services should be fully paid for by the user -- why? How many subsidies go to recreational fees?
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Dinosaur Joe on Jan 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm
Progress marches on. The dinosaurs who think they can continue to rape and pillage the world and not pay for it can cry foul all they want. In the end they'll pay the measly $15 (adds up to be about 3 lattes at their favourite coffee shop) and recycle.
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Marc on Jan 12, 2016 at 7:28 pm
The city's sustainability dept ( core mandate to sustain itself) has managed once again to convince our elected representatives that the city needs more money and once again, residents must pay. On top of our mill rate going up again, property taxes that is, we get hit with another useless fee. How about funding a dept that focuses on cutting costs in the city. First cut- sustainability dept... Hey how about building a large storage site for recyclable materials and do away with shipping costs or better yet, how about education programs. Point is, we're all tired of giving more money to a mismanaged city.
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Jwhite on Jan 12, 2016 at 6:37 pm
At Monday's council meeting, Mayor Curtis clearly said that we should not recycle glass containers, but should put them directly into the garbage because "it's sand anyway". Good to know.
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Why spend $1000's of dollars on an RFP on Jan 12, 2016 at 5:13 pm
Have a round table with business to get their idea's and then implement the idea's. RFP is a big cost to tax payers that is not needed at this time.
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What am I missing? on Jan 12, 2016 at 4:55 pm
"As Curteanu pointed out, without changes to how recycling is managed, processors will go under." Why? The website for Whitehorse Blue Bins says they recently changed from a non-profit to a business, so whatever they are doing seems to be working for them, even with only 800 customers. And they take styrofoam and plastic. I wish the folks at the City could provide a coherent argument as to why they are pursuing this, and hats off to Councillors Boyd and Hartland for asking good questions
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freedom on Jan 12, 2016 at 4:17 pm
Thank you mayor and council i feel so liberated now. I will never ever recycle anything ever again.