
Photo by Whitehorse Star
SCRAPING THE SKIES – The condominium development planned for the corner of Second Avenue and Jarvis Street will be as tall as the new medical practitioners' residence, seen under construction in 2009.
Photo by Whitehorse Star
SCRAPING THE SKIES – The condominium development planned for the corner of Second Avenue and Jarvis Street will be as tall as the new medical practitioners' residence, seen under construction in 2009.
A developer is preparing to erect the tallest building in downtown Whitehorse, but not everyone is thrilled about it.
A developer is preparing to erect the tallest building in downtown Whitehorse, but not everyone is thrilled about it.
Mah's Point, a six-storey steel frame commercial and condominium building set for construction on Second Avenue, will be the first building in downtown Whitehorse to exceed four storeys. It may signal the beginning of increased gentrification in town.
"When you start putting in six-storey buildings, it changes the viewscape. It's an aesthetic decision,” Lewis Rifkind of the Yukon Conservation Society said this week.
"You will definitely lose views,” he said.
However, Terry Bergen, the past president of the Yukon Real Estate Association, believes that densification downtown, which includes more tall buildings, is a good thing.
"We've been waiting for redevelopment in this town for a long time,” said Bergen. "The end result will be more of a living city.”
Bergen said misgivings about development are due to nothing more than fear of change, but ultimately Whitehorse will be better off.
"This is going to revitalize the downtown core and bring it to life in the evenings. It's going to reduce traffic, because people will live and work downtown and won't have to drive from the suburbs,” he said.
Longtime downtown resident Missy Follwell supports densification in the downtown area, but is worried it may come at a cost.
"I'm concerned that because of our lack of housing, planning principles are being thrown out the window,” she said.
Follwell said the illustration of Mah's Point displayed in advertisements looks like a "salt-box, straight up and down.”
"The more of a site a building takes up, the less neighbourly and friendly it is,” she said in an interview Thursday. "The less room you have for socializing in the street, flower pots, et cetera.”
The conservation society recently presented a report to city council on the densification of downtown, with concerns ranging from the effect of the shadows created by tall buildings to the canyon effect.
"When you've got a tall building that's not set back a couple metres from the sidewalk, it's like walking next to a cliff,” said Rifkind.
"It can be pretty off-putting. It's not the end of the world, it's not a show-stopper, but I think it's worth thinking about. Imagine some kid dropping a penny from the top.”
Rifkind cited the commercial and condominium building at the corner of Strickland and Fourth Avenue as both a good and bad example of the canyon effect.
"On Fourth, it's flush with the sidewalk. It's quite nerve-wracking. Then you turn the corner and it's set back a metre, which is much nicer,” he said.
He said the canyon effect also affects drivers.
"Drivers will often feel like they're in the bottom of a gully, and they think they can go really fast,” said Rifkind.
This could pose problems for Second Avenue, which already is one of the busiest streets in Whitehorse and has seen a number of injuries and fatalities from crosswalk collisions in the past few years.
Rifkind said there are several ways to avoid the canyon effect, including setting the foundation back from the sidewalk, scaling back the second storey with a balcony or giving the sidewalk room for "street furniture”, such as bike racks and benches.
"A lot depends on the design,” said Rifkind.
Follwell said many downtown residents appreciate the human scale of Whitehorse, and expressed concerns that numerous tall buildings could have a dehumanizing effect on the landscape.
"What's really important to me is protecting the waterfront, to have lots of open public space, and as few really tall buildings as possible,” she said. "If you were to move them further towards the escarpment, that would be better.”
"I have no problems with increased densification. I just think it needs to be done thoughtfully with the long term in mind rather than the short term.”
Bergen believes the concerns about development are insignificant compared to the benefits.
"The shadow issue as a concern has been around forever. Sure, it's a concern,” said Bergen. But he said the difference between a two-storey shadow and a six-storey shadow is neglible.
"I don't think the look of things is going to change at all,” he said.
New buildings will be more aesthetically pleasing than the vacant lots, sheds and poorly maintained buildings that are currently in the downtown area, Bergen said.
"We're brightening up the city.”
Mike Gau, the city's manager of planning and development, said the height restrictions on buildings in downtown Whitehorse have not changed. The restriction is still 20 metres.
However, references to the number of storeys permitted in a building have been removed. Therefore, as long as the building does not exceed 20 metres in height, there is no problem with building a six-storey building.
The tallest building in Whitehorse is the new nurses' residence by Whitehorse General Hospital. Mah's Point will equal that height.
Gau pointed out that Mah's Point has yet to receive a development permit from the city, but anticipates the proponents will have no trouble.
"It's just a long process. It can take some time,” he said.
Another steel-framed building, which will be four storeys tall, is being built beside the Tim Hortons on Second Avenue near Main Street.
Mah's Point is pre-selling units. It will be built on the location of the Pioneer Inn, which was demolished in 2009.
Today, the lot where Mah's Point will be built is currently little more than an empty dirt patch, littered with the remains of a concrete retaining wall, a rusted-out oil tank and weeds.
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ES on Jul 20, 2011 at 8:23 am
I think it is well known that from a conservationist point of view it is much better to build up rather that out. I think it is funny that Mr. Rifkin, being from YCS, would argue that this development is a bad idea. How can anyone make you guys happy? First it was all the complaining about urban sprawl....now the buildings are too high and daunting to walk past. Wouldn't you rather walk by a 6 story building in a downtown core vs having a bunch of trees mowed down to build 52 individual houses. Like come on you guys get real! So all of a sudden a developer says he's going to develop a high density residential complex in the down town core but that's still not good enough? Grow up people. Quit having babies if you're worried about development.
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Anthony on Jul 19, 2011 at 8:22 am
Wayne said:
The only people who are allowed to succeed in stopping any kind of development are the good citizens of Copper Ridge. The CoW has already "densified” PC to the max.
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Please describe how, exactly PC is 'densified to the max' compared to Copper Ridge.
There is not a single half acre lot in all of Copper Ridge. Hell, the title of vinyl village wasn't just made up, it was earned. Come have a drive through the scorched earth, were nary there be a tree, our frontages are 40 feet and RVs, boats and quads clog the driveway. You can jump roof top to roof top on some streets.
And what exactly did we stop? Some bonehead developer from scrapping the zoning bylaw so he could maximize his profits? We only asked that the zoning be enforced.
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bobby bitman on Jul 19, 2011 at 5:27 am
Scott, the city changed the bylaw recently. The height restriction of 60 (feet?), is exactly the same. However, there is no longer any restriction on the number of floors.
So, this building will be no higher than some of the other buildings in town, at least it is no higher than what has already been allowed for years. Just the number of floors inside the building has changed.
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Scott Holmes on Jul 19, 2011 at 2:38 am
I have met and worked closely with Tippy Mah. I am wondering how many outside investors are involved and how many believe this their ticket to a Canadian visa. The price of a six storey building (and Tippy always pushes the envelope) should not supercede the regulations in place for development. Four stories is the max and if you try to place six stories in the same height restrictions they will be no better than Smurf Village in Copper Ridge. Is this what we want for our city.
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Wayne on Jul 19, 2011 at 12:25 am
The only people who are allowed to succeed in stopping any kind of development are the good citizens of Copper Ridge. The
CoW has already "densified" PC to the max., why should downtown not get the same treatment?
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Lloyd on Jul 18, 2011 at 5:34 am
What kind of parking is the developer bound to provide?
Just speculating on the numbers here but if there are 10 suites per floor that means 60 people will be looking for parking in a part of town that already has none.
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JuneJackson on Jul 18, 2011 at 1:55 am
Because someone has an opinion does not make them a 'buffoon'. I don't like people who resort to name calling and attempts to deny another person their opinion. For good or for worse..this is Canada, and the last time i looked it was legal for everyone to express theirs..
that said..
I like the idea of a building..but i don't like it edged right to the side walk..I don't think it will hurt Whitehorse at all to look spiffy..Is building it right to the edge going to do that? i don't think so.
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jessie on Jul 18, 2011 at 1:27 am
I think that Whitehorse is known as a tourist attraction because of the scenery, from any building in downtown Whitehorse, let alone anywhere. You can see the sky, mountains, sometimes lakes/rivers. Why change that? People come to Whitehorse to see the beauty. People who live here really don't have a hard time coming from the suburbs/areas to work. It at most takes 15 minutes which really isn't that much. DON'T turn Beautiful Whitehorse into a place like Vancouver. You upgrade the height in buildings in downtown Whitehorse, the streets will be busier, making it more time to get to work. There already building enough condo's and apartments up in the Porter Creek area and around that housing really shouldn't be an issue. I believe the issue in living isn't about where it is, or the shortage in house. As much as its the price's that people can't really afford. I think putting a six ft. high building in downtown is alright, but if another one comes in, You will have a lot of people wanting to move to a different small community, because of the fact we'd be turning just like Vancouver.
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Steve E on Jul 17, 2011 at 9:15 am
Look out, here comes the high pressure onslaught of development to the downtown core. Rise up all who do not want to be pushed around by the so called movers and shakers who are determined to impose their vision of Whitehorse on everyone else. If you want to see the final outcome of so-called development by pro real estate factions go visit Yellowknife. Hey who turned off the sun and where do I park? Denounce high ugly oversized big square box development before it takes over. Lets keep our city for Yukoners not for fly in and fly out developers who just want to make a buck while destroying the soul of a city.
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Brice Carruthers on Jul 17, 2011 at 8:01 am
Josey, feel free to move up to Old Crow or Dawson, if you want true northern uniqueness. Whitehorse is a capital city and a financial centre of the North. It should be modern. Mah's Point will be a vast improvement over the crackhead Pioneer Hotel that used to be there before. Embrace the change.
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DG on Jul 16, 2011 at 8:35 am
At what point do we move forward with our lives and our city.
I have always been quite frustrated by the buffoons who think we need to keep the oldness around.
Sure tourism is nice and all but we need to become a modern city. Sometimes pissing off the old fashioned is what needs to happen.
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Joel on Jul 16, 2011 at 6:14 am
What is the historical cityscape that some people seem to be afraid of losing? I think I must be missing the greatness of the old structures that are covering the downtown of Whitehorse.....oh wait, there are none!
And I love the conservation society...don't build out since it destroys habitat...don't dig down because it destroys habitat...don't build up because, uh, well, uh, it makes things tall!
Good thing to get this built and congratulations to the people that decide to live there. I bet the views from the upper floors are going to be spectacular
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Tcarson on Jul 15, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Gentrification? Bigger, they say, is better but is it more dignified? I guess that remains to be seen (once all potential tenants have ponied up to give Tip his required dues).
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NMack on Jul 15, 2011 at 10:33 am
It's good to see see the Yukon Conservation Society gets interviewed for Urban Planning, we wouldn't want them worried about conservation issues.
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M. Peltier on Jul 15, 2011 at 10:16 am
Mah's Point will be that with enough money anyone can erect an eyesore in downtown Whitehorse and destroy the unique historical city-scape that's been maintained till now. New buildings in the downtown core shouldn't be any taller than existing buildings in the core. Taller buildings by the escarpment wouldn't be a problem.
Some people care more about money than history, tradition, unique style and civic responsibility.
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Josey Wales on Jul 15, 2011 at 9:27 am
Great...our wilderness city is a generic sty full of crappy condos.
Not really sure how high our ladder trucks at WFD reach too, but if the city needs to "upgrade"...based on their user fee structure we hear so much about...
We keep hearing about how expensive it is to build a real city, hence septic tanks all over town...Ka Ching$$$$$ water tanks a plenty...and dirt roads with no sidewalks.
I am totally OK with a small town feel without all the latest & greatest lobbied accessories we decorated this town with.
I HATE condos...I HATE Toronto & Vancouver, that is why I used to like living here.
WE WERE DIFFERENT!
Question though, After-all these years of uniqueness and a real northern flavour...how did we evolve into a wee TO or Calgary so quickl
How long I'll stay & watch this cultural genocide of what used to make us whom we were...remains uncertain.
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Brice Carruthers on Jul 15, 2011 at 9:07 am
Who are "Missy Follwell" and "Lewis Rifkind" and why should I care what they think? There are too many self-important people running around town on their soap boxes.
Tippy is an entrepreneur and a hard worker. He embodies the "can do” spirit that once typified the Yukon, and still typifies Yellowknife. Unfortunately, today's migrants to the Yukon are all about going on S.A., and keeping the Yukon down. I say if Tippy wants to build the tallest building in Whitehorse, then more power to him!