Club wants OK for bow hunters to pursue bison
Concern over lake trout stocks is prompting another round of proposals for tighter fishing restrictions on lakes in southern Yukon that have campgrounds.
Concern over lake trout stocks is prompting another round of proposals for tighter fishing restrictions on lakes in southern Yukon that have campgrounds.
Environment Yukon is seeking reductions in catch and retention limits for Kusawa, Fox, Frenchman and Twin lakes.
The call for tighter restrictions was released Thursday. It was among 15 proposed changes to fishing and hunting regulations the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board is now circulating for public input.
Yukoners have until Nov. 27 to comment on the 15 proposals, most of which have been advanced by the Yukon government.
The Whitehorse Archery Club, on the other hand, is seeking a regulation change that would allow bow hunters to hunt bison.
There are a handful of regulation proposals aimed at creating more hunting opportunities on the expanding bison population which are well above the desired level established by the bison advisory team.
Environment Yukon is also seeking a formal regulation that clearly states the use of drones is not allowed for hunting, just as hunters are not allowed to stalk an animal within 48 hours of spotting it from an aircraft.
Proposed changes to wildlife regulations are released every fall by the management board after it’s had an opportunity to review the various proposals submitted by the June deadline.
Following the public input, the board forwards a recommendation to the Environment minister regarding whether the changes should be made, not made or looked at further.
A public meeting in Whitehorse to discuss the proposals has been scheduled for Nov. 17, the board announced Thursday.
In advancing a call for tighter fishing restrictions, Environment Yukon has raised a red flag regarding fishing pressure on the four popular lakes that is rising along with campground use and easy access for anglers.
In general terms, the department points out, there were approximately 25,000 overnight stays at Yukon campgrounds in 2007.
By 2013, the number had jumped to 35,000, Environment Yukon indicates in its case for tighter restrictions.
With more campers comes more fishing pressure, it suggests, and more fishing pressure leads to a higher harvest and declining trout stocks.
For Fox Lake, the government is recommending the lake be taken off the list of general waters and designated as a special management lake.
Under the proposed regulation changes, the daily catch limit for lake trout on Fox Lake would fall from three to one. The possession limit would drop from six to one.
Currently, of the six trout anglers are permitted to have in their possession, only one can be longer than 65 centimetres.
Under the proposal, anglers would not be allowed to keep any trout longer than 65 inches.
The special management designation for Fox Lake would also decrease catch, possession and size limits for Arctic grayling and northern pike, and it would require anglers to use barbless hooks.
Similar adjustments are being recommended for Kusawa, Frenchman and Twin lakes.
Environment Yukon and the wildlife management board went through the same exercise in 2013 for the Snafu, Tarfu, Pine and Jackson lakes, resulting in regulation changes announced earlier this year.
Among the 15 proposals is a recommendation to raise the fees for moose and caribou tags from $5 to $10, to keep them in line with other fees for big game tags.
As part of the recommendation, the Yukon government has agreed to look for a way to divert the additional revenue to the wildlife enhancement trust fund.
There is a proposal from Environment Yukon to re-classify five game management sub-zones west of Whitehorse from open for sheep hunting to sub-zones requiring a permit.
It’s recommended ATVs be permitted for the retrieval of harvested bison in certain areas, but only for retrieval, as it can be difficult to bring meat out of the bush by snowmobile when snow levels are low early in the season.
There’s a recommendation from the Yukon Fish and Game Association to re-open moose hunting in an area northwest of Carmacks.
The four sub-zones were closed in 1989, when the moose density was at a troubling 50 moose per 1,000 square kilometres.
A 2007 census by Environment Yukon estimated the density at 129 moose per 1,000 square kilometres.
“A permit hunt for this area can be developed that would enable a controlled hunt that can be carefully managed within the sustainable harvest level for this population of moose,” says the recommendation.
Of the 15 proposed changes to regulations, Environment Yukon has advanced 12 on its own or in partnership with the wildlife management board.
Comments (22)
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Life-long Yukoner & Hunter on Nov 11, 2015 at 5:26 pm
The above comments are absoloutely correct. That concession should have never been allowed to re-open, and as far as I understood it was removed completely as a concession. Resident hunters need to look into the whole history. Where was the resident hunters representation when it was re-opened? Yukon Fish and Game Association should have had the issue out in front of all resident hunters and members eons ago.
Yukon residents contribute far more to the economy than outfitting by the sheer fact that we live here, furthermore hunting is our heritage, our way of life that is slowly but surely being eroded. Either from restrictions to dwindling resources or by antihunting groups who hear 'hunting' and think we are the very industry we are competing with, while the organization we elected to represent our concerns over 50 years ago builds bird houses and bat boxes (good things but not what we presently need) it's time to call all resident hunters to action, if you care about your hunting heritage, the future of hunting heritage for the next generation and conservation, attend the next AGM of the Yukon Fish and Game Association and vote for people who will stand up independently and fight for your hunting heritage and those of future generations.
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Bobby Bitman on Nov 5, 2015 at 1:54 pm
For those who want to comment on proposed changes to allow bow hunting of bison, more bow hunting of other animals including changing gear requirements so people of 'smaller stature' can get out there and try to kill animals with a bow that fits themselves, changes that further restrict Yukon hunters to accommodate trophy hunters in new areas, changes to protect fish in over fished lakes, changes to allow ORV's to pick up meat, etc.
Here is the website:
http://yfwmb.ca/2015/10/pubreview_propregchange/
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Ain't Surprised on Nov 4, 2015 at 6:50 am
If you read the rationale that the department has put forward as to why the GMS must now be put on permit only for residents, it's not because of over harvest by residents, it's based on the projection that this year will be over the 4% threshold. The outfitter began full scale operations in 2014. Prior to that, there was no concern in these sub zones. So rather than place restrictions on the outfitter only, the minister, Wade Istchenko, has caved to outfitter demands.
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Huntress on Nov 3, 2015 at 6:12 pm
There appears to be some back room deals being done between the Government and the outfitters association. We appear to be selling our resources at the expense of the residents.
Those nice camping spots are now being given to outfitters and the public, locals and tourists, alike can be forced to move on. And now this is happening in hunting areas. Residents are being put on quota and yet we are not provided with information as to the number of animals harvested by an outfitter in that area.
I thought that the outfitters area was a concession which that were given permission to take paying customers into.
I would like to see transparency of past and present actions by our government with long term consideration of the impact that these actions have on us - local hunters, wildlife observers and campers.
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Sheep Hunter on Nov 3, 2015 at 5:40 pm
Something is rotten here. This is a quote from the proposed changes to the sub zones in GM7; "Consistent with the Outfitter Quota Guidelines, resident sheep hunters should be on permit where non-resident hunters are on quota. This approach was applied to GMS 7-14 and 7-16 when sheep permits were established in 2011" This is BS. From the Guidelines referred to, which is a 1995 document; section 9e "..if a Sheep permit area is established for resident hunters, all outfitters who harvest Sheep in that permit area should be placed on Sheep quotas for that specific area". The government has changed the wording and twisted it around. The Guideline document speaks to many reasons why an OUTFITTER shall be placed on quota, and resident hunters being on permit is one, it's not the other way around where if a outfitter is placed on quota, residents shall be on a permit draw. That sounds like something the outfitters want to me.
The Guidleines are available at http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/publications-maps/documents/Guidelines_to_Establish_Outfitter_Quotas.pdf Check them now before the gov takes them down.
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BnR on Nov 3, 2015 at 4:52 pm
Any new camp or structure built on crown land needs a land use permit if it's not title land. You know what would happen if you or I went out and built a cabin, and it's happened before; it would get burned down or otherwise destroyed. Yet outfitters don't seem to need this, maybe someone within the gov has given them the nod and wink, just go ahead boys, we'll get your your lease after the fact. I know of a few new camps with structures that were built by outfitters this past summer, and no lease or land use permit in place. I'd bet these camps will just be allowed to remain, and they get a lease. Wonder if other wilderness tourism operators would be allowed to do this? Bet not.
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B. Foster on Nov 3, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Just noticed the headline for this article. Quite fitting....first you shoot the bison with a pointy stick, then you pursue it. Is there gps tech available to attach to the arrow to help with the pursuit?
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Bobby Bitman on Nov 3, 2015 at 2:04 pm
I just did a quick google and read from the website of the area 20 outfitter. (North east of Whitehorse). It makes for interesting reading.
"Insured and licensed by the Yukon Government" - The government provides their insurance? They don't do this for other tourism companies.
"Our area ... has 14 million acres... over 5 million acres has never been hunted, leaving genetics as they were 50 years ago" Is this a recognition from the industry that their selective hunting of trophy animals does indeed negatively impact the genetics of the herd?
"we have already started developing the area with new camps for our clients' satisfaction" - Are these camps in breach of a moratorium? Can anybody else simply go out there and build a camp? Other tour companies for instance? Interesting.
"Horseback and backpack base price $34,000" (for a 2 week hunt, includes a free sheep). Add for moose $4900, caribou $4900, grizzly $6000, black bear $1000.
And finally, what they pay to the government:
"Included: License and tags, $260; GST 5%"
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Bobby Bitman on Nov 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm
YT Hunter, to back up what you are saying, Ryan Leef, a former trophy hunting guide and huge fan of trophy hunting, announced with Stephen Harper six weeks or so ago, $9 million over 3 years to promote trophy hunting, sport fishing and snowmobiling in the Yukon. This is a massive give-away to Outfitters. Over and over again they are given enormous amounts of money and other value with no public justification.
Research needs to be done to study the overall impact of sport hunting in the Yukon. There are positives and there are negatives, beyond the moral aspects of killing things for fun. Target animals are not in endless supply, what about local hunters being shut out in order to provide ever more targets for trophy hunters? And local aviation companies who won't fly local hunters into areas the trophy hunters tell them not to? A Yukon Party government which changes hunting rules to protect the interests of Outfitters? The best camp sites turned into exclusive use for Outfitters?
Approximately 1500 animals are killed a year by hunters in the Yukon, I am not sure if this includes the FN hunting. One third of that 1500 are already going to Outfitters who sell the killing experience to tourists who come here to kill things for fun. The meat apparently goes to the friends and acquaintances of the Outfitters and pilots, plus to the communities and hospitals. The Outfitters collect tens of thousands of dollars per hunt in many cases, while paying peanuts for tags to kill. This money, where does it go? Certainly some is paid to local guides and local businesses. How much stays in the Yukon? What is the residency of the Outfitters and where do they pay income tax? Do the hunters take the time to shop in the Yukon, or are they already decked out from Cabela's etc in the USA?
For the amount of money and support that the Trophy Hunting industry gets from the government, they fly under the radar very well and face very little public examination.
I suspect there are far better tourism products than using wildlife for entertainment through trophy hunting and sport fishing. Three million a year is a massive amount of money for such an exclusive sector. For the record, I cautiously support the snowmobiling idea, though that too needs some public explanation to show that the government has done their homework.
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YTHunter on Nov 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Will the Yukon Fish and Game Association be at the meeting to represent us? Or maybe that would conflict with their Big Bull night.
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Mark S on Nov 3, 2015 at 11:14 am
I think there are likely some good bow hunters here and some arrow tips are very effective.
I do hope it's monitored to determine if any bison shot suffer which I think nobody wants to see.
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Yukoner on Nov 2, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Just my 2 cents but I would say no to hunting bison with a bow
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BnR on Nov 2, 2015 at 11:20 am
Using a bow, on a Bison? Might as well do away with the minimum requirement of a .30 cal. and 200 gr. min. bullet weight as well. That just sounds like a really bad idea.
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ProScience Greenie on Nov 2, 2015 at 11:17 am
Strange, as the big game hunting industry lobby opposes the current government's Peel River Watershed position. Like the eco-tourism industry lobby they see cuts to profits if there is resource exploration activity up there. Follow the money I guess.
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YukonArcher on Nov 2, 2015 at 10:10 am
Bowhunting is not a game. Club's members have a great range with 3D targets to pratice in Whitehorse. A specific training was done in different juridictions concerning the bow hunting specific training, given and recognised all across North America, why not to do it in Yukon too...
If you check regulation for Alaska, NWT and BC, all of those juridictions authorize the hunt of bison with archery. Alaska is recommending to have a back up centerfire rifle that met their minimun standard a 30-06 with 220 grains, as Yukon is proposing a change based on Alaska regulation, I do not see why it will be a problem and we are already asking the muzzle loader hunters to have with them a centerfire rifle that met our minimun 30-06 with 180 grains.
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north_of_60 on Nov 1, 2015 at 12:07 pm
@B.Foster is correct.
Arrows are not adequate for consistently humane kills on bison.
A crossbow bolt is barely adequate, but Yukon Game Cops don't like crossbows, so we can't use them, even through they are not specifically prohibited.
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YTHunter on Oct 31, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Atom
Don't blame the dept. of environment, you can go right to the top for the reasons why. Why was the environment minister Wade Istchenko galavanting in Reno at the Safari Club show? Why does the Yukon Outfitters Association have so much clout with this government given that so many of them are non Yukon residents? Why did the Yukon Party fund an RFP for the outfitters to "demonstrate the value of outfitting" to us? Not to determine if there is a value, but to tell us there is. What about the money Yukon residents spend?
There are thousands of Yukon resident hunters, and together we could put real pressure on the Yukon Party government to make changes that are in resident interests, not outfitters, yet the president of the Fish and Game Association ( you can look up who he is at http://www.yukonfga.ca) remains silent on these and other issues.
Here's a fact that most don't know, Yukon outfitters are on NO QUOTA for Sheep in their areas. They can take as many as they want out of their concession. And most don't face any resident pressure, yet the Yukon Party saw fit to reintroduce the outfitter back into the only concession (17) where we residents did not have to compete with an outfitter. So much for the "Yukon" party.
Speak up residents! Resident hunters are going to wake up one day and find that we'll have to hire an Albertan outfitter to be able to hunt here. Am I alarmist? You bet. Within the last year, the Yukon party government has approved the leases that Lone Wolf outfitters and Mervyns Yukon outfitting applied for. Remember the outcry that was raised about 10-12 years ago over that? Well now they can legally chase you off the best campsites on "their" lakes. It won't be long, if this keeps up, that the best campsites on many of our lakes will have "Private, No Trespassing" signs on them.
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B. Foster on Oct 31, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Bowhunting....weren't we taught at a young age not to play with our food?
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Atom on Oct 31, 2015 at 12:02 pm
One thing for sure the dept of environment are real good at knee jerk reaction and catering to the elite ( outfitters and their own staff) when it comes to game 'management'. They don't have clue how to make more wildlife and for damn sure can't manage people.
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Animals are not target practise on Oct 31, 2015 at 9:45 am
The only consideration when it comes to what kind of weapon can be used to kill an animal should be the one that causes the least suffering to the animal. Killing animals for entertainment should never, ever be considered legitimate. If killing with a bow fits that requirement, that's fine. But if the Archery Club just wants to have fun playing with their bow and arrows even if it causes more suffering for animals, that idea should be shut down immediately.
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Mark S on Oct 30, 2015 at 4:38 pm
YTHunter
Thanks for the information you have brought forward.
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YTHunter on Oct 30, 2015 at 4:00 pm
What isn't mentioned here, and should be of concern to every Yukon resident hunter is the proposal by the government to have the final 4 open GM sub zones in the Eastern portion of GM 7 turned to permit only. These include the sub zones around Trout lake and Alligator lake. This would appear to be in direct response to the re-introduction by our Yukon Party government of an outfitter to this area, and the impact he is having.
And yet we hear nothing from the Yukon Fish and Game Association on this, the association which is supposedly the voice of Yukon hunters. Under the Yukon party, Yukon resident hunters have seen areas closed to us, and now these areas, yet Yukon outfitters opportunities are increasing. Ask about all the new camps outfitters have been building lately without any land use permits or applications. There was supposed to be a moratorium on this. Speak up now Yukon residents, or we are going to lose out.