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LIBERALS ON THE HILL – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meets with Premier Sandy Silver in Trudeau’s office on Parliament Hill last Thursday. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick
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LIBERALS ON THE HILL – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meets with Premier Sandy Silver in Trudeau’s office on Parliament Hill last Thursday. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick
Though Saskatchewan and Manitoba are holding out,
Though Saskatchewan and Manitoba are holding out, signing on to the Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change is in the best interest of the Yukon, says Premier Sandy Silver.
The pan-Canadian framework represents Canada’s plan to meet its 2030 target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 30 per cent below 2005 levels.
Eleven of Canada’s 13 premiers signed the agreement at a first ministers’ meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Ottawa on Friday.
In an interview with Star this morning, the premier explained that the framework, which includes provisions on carbon pricing, gives each province and territory an “annex” outlining measures specific to each jurisdiction.
The framework’s introduction says it’s “consistent with the commitment under the Paris Agreement,” and that Canada will “increase the level of ambition over time.”
For the Yukon, it means the territorial and federal governments work together on renewable energy projects and on renovating buildings to make them more energy-efficient.
Beyond government buildings, Silver wants Ottawa to be a partner in establishing incentives for homeowners and renters to retrofit their homes.
The agreement also ensures that the Yukon will keep 100 per cent of the revenues generated from a carbon price inside the territory.
In a press release issued Friday, the Yukon government said it will return these revenues to residents and businesses in rebates. Details on such a rebate program have yet to be determined.
The framework also recognizes the “unique circumstances and opportunities of Indigenous Peoples and northern, remote and vulnerable communities,” and draws upon traditional knowledge.
A Dec. 9 statement on the framework from the Prime Minister’s Office says that “All decision-making processes and activities related to climate change will recognize, respect, and safeguard the inherent and Treaty rights of Indigenous Peoples, affirmed in Section 35 of the Constitution of Canada.”
Silver, who was tasked with chairing the first ministers’ meeting less than a week after being sworn in as premier on Dec. 3, said, “Everyone was agreeing with everything except for the carbon pricing mechanism.
“That was the one sticking point.”
Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is opposed to carbon pricing in his province and refused to sign onto the framework after last week’s summit in Ottawa. Brian Pallister, Manitoba’s premier, also declined to sign the agreement.
“Manitoba decided to use the health care, Canadian Health Transfer, as a wedge issue,” said Silver.
Pallister wanted the government leaders to commit to another first ministers’ meeting on health before he would sign this agreement on climate change, said Silver.
“In my opinion, that’s a little bit short-sighted,” he said.
“You’re missing out on an opportunity to create your annex, to work with the government to make sure that as these pricing mechanisms are initiated, that you have the ability to create one for yourself, that works for your province or territory.”
Not signing the agreement is not the same as excusing yourself from carbon pricing, said Silver.
Rather, it means that Ottawa will impose its own carbon pricing scheme on these provinces, effectively limiting the ability of Manitoba and Saskatchewan to determine how revenues are used inside their respective borders.
Silver asserted that it wasn’t his job, as chair, to “convince anyone to do anything.”
In Silver’s opening remarks, he expressed the prairie provinces’ desire to raise the health accord, but the prime minister quickly shot down that proposition.
“It was a learning experience for me,” he said.
The three territorial premiers had a separate, two-hour-long meeting in which they discussed the importance of presenting a united voice for the North. They agreed to talk in advance of future first ministers’ meetings and go into talks with premiers “on the same page,” said Silver.
He also had a 20-minute one-on-one with Trudeau, which Silver called “fantastic.”
The prime minister offered advice on chairing the Council of the Federation, the collective of Canada’s 13 premiers, and leadership in general.
“It was just a really human conversation about making sure that you take care of yourself, you need to stay healthy and get enough sleep, it was a great conversation,” said Silver
U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden was also in Ottawa last week. He spoke to the premiers about climate change, and attempted reassurance in the face of an uncertain future under president-elect Donald Trump.
While he hailed Biden as “brilliant” and “passionate,” Silver said he found the vice-president to be “a little bit of a distraction.”
While the other premiers attended a dinner in the vice-president’s honour last Thursday night, Silver dined with National Chief Perry Bellegarde of the Assembly of First Nations (AFN) and Grand Chief Peter Johnston of the Yukon Council of First Nations, among other indigenous leaders at the AFN gala.
Silver, who was the only premier in attendance, said he was “very humble” to be sat at the Bellegarde’s table.
“That night there was the Joe Biden gala that I didn’t go to because I’d rather sit down with the First Nations leadership,” said Silver.
“It wasn’t lost on (Bellegarde) that I missed the Biden event, and every chief that came over to our table, he introduced me as the only premier that’s missing the V.I.P event.”
Bellegarde told Silver he wants the National Indigenous Organizations – the Assembly of First Nations, Congress of Aboriginal Peoples, Inuit Tapiriit Knatami, Métis National Council and Native Women’s Association of Canada – invited as peers and leaders to future first ministers’ meetings.
Johnston also appreciated Silver’s presence at the AFN gala.
“I was very happy that the premier sat with us at the head table with the national chief; that’s never happened,” said Johnston.
“All those little things, even though how small they may seem, it’s us moving forward ... that we get that recognition of who we are in the Yukon.”
Johnston said he was not involved in the climate change talks. Chief Doris Bill of the Kwanlin Dun First Nation and Chief Roberta Joseph of Tr’ondek Hwechin took the lead there.
The grand chief did, however, get brief face time with Carolyn Bennett, the minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs.
Notably, said Johnston, the minister said she would push to prioritize in the House of Commons Bill C-17, the act to repeal the four contentious amendments made to the Yukon Environmental and Socio-economic Assessment Act under Bill S-6.
Johnston isn’t convinced that representation at first ministers’ meetings through the National Indigenous Organizations would benefit Yukon First Nations, which are members of the AFN.
“AFN is accountable to us, which is great. The others aren’t so much,” said Johnson.
AFN meets at least twice a year, the national chief has been to the Yukon, so there is a level of accountability and transparency, he said.
“But the other ones, we don’t have any ability to say ‘What are you doing?’... So I have some difficulties about that, their representation at that table.”
Bellegarde is looking at hosting a northern table in the future, which is important, said Johnston, because self-governing First Nations in the North operate differently from treaty First Nations elsewhere in Canada.
“Even though we have our own mechanisms to deal with government here, it’s always good to have others who are supporting your movement also,” said Johnston.
It was also proposed that the next Intergovernmental Forum, the meeting of First Nations, Yukon government and federal government leaders, be held in Ottawa this coming February.
In Ottawa, explained Johnston, First Nations leaders could more easily connect with specific ministers, “which would be incredible, it would be another first.”
“Everything is about us moving in a more constructive and positive way. Just having that presence in Ottawa, we need to have that.”
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Red on Dec 20, 2016 at 4:07 pm
News for you Green....you just voted in at least two of those outsiders you hate...and one of them is at the helm of your great territory...that just really wrangle your potatoes if you will.
Maybe he can make some sense of this friggin place.
Cheers.
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Max Mack on Dec 19, 2016 at 5:30 am
For all those claiming the "science is settled" and pro-carbon tax advocates:
https://www.cfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016-State-of-the-Climate-Report.pdf
Things are not so settled, no?
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Buzz on Dec 18, 2016 at 4:28 pm
I wouldn't worry about being ripped off from the revenue neutral carbon tax so much as I would by the constant rape we consumers endure by the fixers of gasoline prices. You know none of this .30/liter more than Grande Prairie gas that gets fixed at the same retail amount at all colluding gas outlets which is 100% of them. This is the real rip off and it's constant.
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vlad on Dec 18, 2016 at 2:37 pm
sorry tree..... - the trees are renewable, the fossil fuels are not. You get it???
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Groucho d'North on Dec 17, 2016 at 6:18 pm
I like the way this debate is heading for more concrete science. I want to add my two bits. CO2 as the primary culprit for the planetary warming taking place is still just a theory. There are scientist detractors who have a difficult time shouting over all the other doomsday prophets who make up the alleged 97% in agreement who have been determined to be bogus.
Facts in science are confirmed by establishing proofs. To me it stands to reason that job one would be to confirm through scientific proofs that CO2 really is the contributing factor and it is not variations in Earth’s orbit, or that Earth is still concluding the last stages of a cool phase (Ice Age) as we enter a warmer phase. Nobody has said that evolution stopped back in the 60s, it continues and the planet we live on evolves as well as the many creatures that live upon it. So it is a scientific possibility that Earth’s current changes are part of the cyclic climatic change that has naturally happened many times before…it’s in the fossil record, and that’s a confirmed proof.
Scientists are coming forward and claiming that CO2 is not the cause of our warming planet and other influences are at work. Here is Greenpeace Founder Patrick Moore PHD, & former environmental activist testifying before the US Senate Sub committee on Environment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRhkKjquWZw
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Green on Dec 17, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Red: Anything done under the guise of a carbon tax north of the 60th parallel in Canada is going to have zero, I repeat ZERO effect on combatting climate change on this planet. One additional factory or coal powered power plant opening anywhere on earth is going to more than negate any little entirely symbolic carbon tax we put into effect. The carbon tax being forced on residents in northern Canada is nothing more than a Liberal bureaucratic exercise and at the end of the day is going to have nothing to do with carbon and everything to do with yet another wealth transfer tax whereby primarily the working class will be taxed harder than they already are.
I think North of 60 hit the nail on the head when he said tax products accordingly as they are imported from the the countries that are the worst carbon producers; China 29%, USA 15%,etc. For instance I have visited eastern EU and S. American countries where I saw one factory or plant after another filling entire large valleys with thick brown smog. If those countries exports start to get hit hard by taxes it may force the actual polluters to smarten up. However on the global scale a Yukon carbon tax is the equivalent of a fart in a hurricane and will accomplish nothing, our only saving grace is that anything the Liberals do today can be undone by the next government tomorrow.
That's the last I'll have to say on the matter.
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Red on Dec 16, 2016 at 8:12 pm
Ok green...what do you disagree with? Do you not think lowering co2 is a good thing/necessity? Or do you think that these changes are only a necessity everywhere else in the world/Canada but the Yukon?
Either you think global warming is a farce or you think the Yukon is above being a part of the solution...because no one here pollutes.
If it is merely the tax that you have an issue with..perhaps you have a better idea.
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north_of_60 on Dec 16, 2016 at 5:19 pm
To fully understand global climate one has to look at a longer time frame than the human lifespan; that's what earth scientists do.
Earth's atmosphere today contains about 400 ppm CO2 (0.04%). Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished!
Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 -- 270 million years ago) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).
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sorry tree scientist on Dec 16, 2016 at 3:17 pm
By that logic by burning fossil fuels you are only releasing the co2 that was natually sequestered during the formation of oil and gas deposits. Surely you can see the folly in your assumptions.
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Green on Dec 16, 2016 at 8:58 am
@ Red, so you've lived many places across the country... I haven't, I've lived in Yukon and my family has lived here for generations, so no I'm not leaving my birthplace just because some liberal says move away if I don't like the garbage that's being shoved down our throats. A lot of long time Yukoners have seen that cycle over and over again, people come up here and think they have to tell us how to live. We usually just wait them out because sooner or later they usually either get over themselves or they move back to where they came from once they've had their northern experience.
You have a good day now...
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Tree Scientist on Dec 15, 2016 at 9:54 pm
@high and mighty, when you burn wood it only releases the carbon that was naturally sequestered in the tree over it's lifespan. Given that trees are considered to be a continually renewable resource, wood burning is effectively carbon neutral.
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north_of_60 on Dec 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm
@DGA --- this discussion isn't about you or me, or who you claim to be; it's about the carbon tax. If someone logged on with 'Queen of the Nisultlin' for their by-line, and proceed to defend the carbon tax with obsolete, decades old AlGore/DavieSuzuki talking points with no facts to back them up, then they would get called on it too.
We're discussing ideas and concepts not people.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
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your real name! on Dec 15, 2016 at 6:04 pm
There ya go @DGA... who " would love to have a conversation with you if you used your real name!"
Now stop being evasive, and explain why those with the biggest percapita carbon footprint in the world, the people living in remote Northern Canadian communities, should be exempt from a carbon tax just because the government supplies their fuel.
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Groucho d'North on Dec 15, 2016 at 5:36 pm
I was thinking about this pending carbon tax and how it will be instituted in our national economy.
For openers everything will be subject to the tax if it moves from a manufacturing plant or farm to a distributor and then to a retailer. Up here near the end of the road, we’ll be paying a bit more right off the start.
Manufacturers will write off the tax as just another cost of doing business and/or they will include the new tax into the price of the products they make. A new tax is always a good opportunity to ratchet up the black ink side of the books.
Retailers will increase their prices and pass the cost down to their customers as will cab drivers, airlines, shipping companies and most others in the service supply sectors.
Consumers, the END USERS, do not get to write off this inflationary tax, we have to dig deeper and pay while most others, like those above, merely pass the cost down for the consumers to deal with. Revenue neutral I think not!
And the Trust-Fund Prime Minister thinks he is helping the middle class.
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love those liberals on Dec 15, 2016 at 2:58 pm
First we have king dan telling us how great our property tax increase is and now ol scamdy is on about how this weather tax is so wonderful for everyone. I just cannot believe anyone in their right mind would vote for this non sense. Maybe our elections were hacked by the russians.
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Duane Gastant' Aucoin on Dec 15, 2016 at 1:15 pm
The flawed argument that Canada's pollution only accounts for 2% of the global pollution so why should we care is a completely selfish one!
All the "small" polluters of the world make up 40% of all global emissions so it's not just the problem of the "big" guys! It would be like one person in a closed 100 car garage idling 2 cars. Yes, it's only 2 cars but it will still eventually kill us!
We're all connected on this planet whether we admit it or not. If Canada was in a glass bubble then the pollution we produce would be absorbed by our forests. But the world doesn't work like that. Our pollution makes it to Europe just as China's pollution makes it here. Our trees are absorbing pollution from around the world...not just ours!
The World needs our help right now & we can't turn our back on our responsibility to help fix the problem we helped create! The world needed us too back in WW2 & we stood up for freedom and joined the fight! We didn't say, "Sorry, our troops would only make up 2% of the Allied Forces...so what's the point?!" But because we didn't weasel out of our duty to help our combined efforts helped defeat the Nazis.
Canada has always been a leader despite our small size...we shouldn't back down now for the sake of our future generations! We need to work together with our world family to solve this global crisis & leave a habitable world for our children & grandchildren!
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north_of_60 on Dec 15, 2016 at 12:57 pm
A conservative estimate of Canada’s existing carbon-absorption capacity, based on land area and the global carbon-absorption average, indicates that Canada could already be absorbing 20 to 30 per cent more CO2 than we emit. Using the same calculation, the “Big Four” polluters of China, the U.S., the European Union, and India, which together are responsible for a whopping 60 per cent of global CO2 emissions, release 10 times more CO2 than their combined land area absorbs. Canada doesn’t seem very dirty now, do we?
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/canada-may-already-be-carbon-neutral-so-why-are-we-keeping-it-a-secret
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Duane Gastant' Aucoin on Dec 15, 2016 at 12:31 pm
@ north_of_60, I would love to have a conversation with you if you used your real name!
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How do we cut back? on Dec 14, 2016 at 7:34 pm
I can read the statistics and therefore accept that a sin tax generally cuts back on consumption. Now I want some of our many experts to tell me exactly what we are supposed to do to cut back. I'm looking for legitimate options not feel good verbiage.
For decades we've had well paid experts at 3 levels of government who are paid to explore methods for reducing carbon. Our household has, I really do think, done all we can.
We had the energy audit (boy was that a waste of money!) and complied with the recommendations, even though the projected savings were so small as to be minuscule......low flow toilets and add some insulation under a window seat. We have set back thermometers, we don't plug car in during cold weather because we have the option of staying home or transit if necessary. We have new efficient heating system and hot water system. Our insulation meets energy audit recommendations. Windows could probably be upgraded (not referenced in the audit) but frankly we can't afford it. Appliances are all energy star rated and fairly new. We are careful to have full meals in the oven when it is used. Our thermostat is never higher than 18. We compost, reuse and recycle.
We're done with trying to be responsible, especially when not a single doable recommendation has come out of the city's ever-growing sustainability department in at least 5 years .
I don't know how making us pay this tax on items we must have (ie food that is trucked up the highway) is going to get us to cut back when there is nothing more to cut back on!!
We can't afford the projected increases I've been reading about. Yet, because we chose to be careful with our money so that we could have a more comfortable retirement, and I have no doubt that any refunds to consumers will be means tested, we will not likely get an assistance to pay this new tax.
So next time all those NGO and gov reps take off to some exotic locale to discuss climate change, I hope to heck they give a thought to us ordinary folks choking on the fumes of their jet planes.
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high and mighty on Dec 14, 2016 at 7:31 pm
For anyone that burns wood to heat their home, I would love to hear how that somehow magically doesn't produce co2. This whole weather scam is truly for the uneducated.
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Most people agree that BC's carbon tax is working. on Dec 14, 2016 at 6:12 pm
From the Financial Post June22nd 2015 " The tax covers most types of fossil fuels. Since it came in, B.C.’s total use of those fuels has dropped by 16.1% (2008-13). By contrast, in the rest of Canada fuel use went up by 3% over that time. B.C.’s dramatic drop since the tax marks a big change from the previous eight years (2000-2008), when its fuel use was actually rising slightly compared to the rest of Canada’s. (These results reflect the latest available Statistics Canada data, and were published in a leading research journal.)"
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Write Your MP And MLA on Dec 14, 2016 at 6:10 pm
Stu Winter, you sound like a ordinary Yukoner who I can completely relate to, all you want is to be able to stay warm through the Yukon winter and drive your vehicle as needed and you don't complain about the cost of the gas.
However according to the Liberals and carbon tax supporters you and Yukoners like you and I are now public enemy number one. We don't fit into thier plan or vision for how our country should be and they are doing everything they can to squeeze us out.
We are exactly the kind of people a Premier of the Yukon Territory should have the sense to be sticking up for but Sandy Silver sold us out. You would think living in Dawson for the last while would have smartened him up about the realities of life in the Yukon but apparently it did not.
I want to remind everyone reading this that you can go online and write the MP Larry Bagnell, and you can write Sandy Silver as well. Please do so to tell them exactly what you think of this carbon tax. A lot of the time the only demonstrators and people getting attention are the ones I assume don't work and have time to protest while us working Yukoners are too busy making a living to stand around demonstrating. But we can all take the time to write these people who are elected and let them know exactly what we think of their plans, namely that it stinks!
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north_of_60 on Dec 14, 2016 at 5:32 pm
@DGA believes percapita energy use is important.
Are you aware that the highest percapita energy use in the world is in remote communities in Canada's territories? Since you're often a spokesperson for that group, tell us how you think they should be treated for being the biggest percapita energy users? Since most of their energy use is already paid for by the government they will be essentially carbon tax exempt. Are you OK with that for the greatest percapita energy users in the world?
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Red on Dec 14, 2016 at 5:25 pm
@green.
I've lived in many places across the country. I've had more disposable income here than I have anywhere I've lived. Yes. Some things are more expensive. But again...the reason even those things are affordable at all.. is you guessed it...government subsidy....
No, I don't love higher taxes....but I also know you can't have the world and not expect it to cost you anything...
Paying taxes are a part of society, and those taxes give us things. It is not like the tax money will go into Trudeaus pocket...it goes to the country. Like it or move.
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Red on Dec 14, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Just walked down one row of vehicles in the parking lot at the grocery store.... there were 11 vehicles left idling with no occupants...(11 in one row). Guess what....all of them were either a truck or an SUV. Yup yukonerss don't stink.
Plenty of people here doing everything they can to save the planet.
Take a survey next time you drive into town. Out of the vehicles on the road...how many are cars vs trucks and suv's?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a tree hugger...I've driven my fair share of suv's and motorbike's etc....but I'm also not bitching about the tax....it hopefully will get people to change the way they live (which I think we all have to do, me included).
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Charles on Dec 14, 2016 at 4:25 pm
To all you green promoters; like many others I have done as much as I can to reduce my footprint and also like others am turning really green at the thought of vomiting up cash in a non realistic tax that will need more bureaucracy to administer. Libs are good at non realistic ideas; think back on how much the Gun Registry cost Canadians. I am interested in how many of the green promoters blasting off here, shop at our large stores that import mega trash from China. I prefer to pay a bit extra for items made in North America; much more effective than taxing everything and items are usually not disposable junk.
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Hear This Silver on Dec 14, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Salar, the new Liberal slogan told me to 'Be Heard' so Hear This Silver! As a Nova Scotia transplant your very first act as Premier was to sell Yukoners out to your pal Trudeau, enjoy your one term bud.
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ProScience Greenie on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:45 pm
Once the carbon sin tax is in place across Canada it will be interesting to see who and what is exempted from it and who and what receives the lion's share of the rebates. If we truly are going to save the world then everybody must do their fair share with no exceptions.
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Stu Winter on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:20 pm
I do my part by paying at the gas pump. My 3/4 ton ram only gets about 8 miles to the gallon in the winter. I pay lots at the pumps and drive about 80 miles every day. My gas tax dollars are used to save the planet!
My quads and 2 skidoos and inboard jetboat burn lots of fuel and I do not complain about the price of gas. My home is heated with oil and I like it to be very warm. I heat my garage with oil as well so the truck is warm in the morning. The garage is only 20C so I do save the environment.
So, I am doing my part and do not agree with any new taxes. I am doing my part to save the planet so please stop telling me to live like a student or a monk.
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ProScience Greenie on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:18 pm
Salar you raise a good point about commodity prices being a major factor and the YP mishandling of hard rock mining but a lot of those people you are calling rednecks are our friends, neighbors, co-workers and their kids and grandkids go to school with ours. Many are born and raised here. Hard not to have sympathy but I'm guessing there are many out there in the Yukon with a gov job-for-life that couldn't give a rat's behind about the economic plight of others. Not saying you are that type but a little compassion wouldn't hurt.
Which raises a side issue, if we have no mining should all the government people working at mining related government jobs and the various boards and committees be sent packing too?
Not everyone gets those one or two trips Outside Red or have all the toys you mention. More and more people are not on the yearly billion dollar plus gravy train from Ottawa so that 5% will indeed cause some grief to many. Those with the sweet gov jobs or get the big contracts won't hardly feel the sin tax sting at all.
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vlad on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:13 pm
when's the next election??? or better the both of them
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Rorex on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:04 pm
@Duane Gastant
"Canada is a very large polluter per capita & even with our small population we are the 8th largest polluter in the world"
Duane give your head a shake we are the second largest land mass in the world and likely have the largest environmental capacity. Every country doesn't have equal rights to pollute, we all have to live within our means. Yes in Canada we are able to pollute more per capita that's because our environment can handle it. And yeah we pollute more than Africa but compare the temperatures and the population density and you should be able to see why. Should we do more to be green sure but a carbon tax won't help the Yukon. Investing in technology and infrastructure is the solution. Taxing a necessity does not decrease demand.
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Green on Dec 14, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Red; You do realize that a lot of those items you list off are already 1/3 to 1/2 again more expensive up here just because of our remote location right? And do you really think everyone against this new Liberal tax has boats, side by side ATV's and drives trucks to work, I sure don't. But you feel free to go ahead and pay all the additional taxes you want to since you're such a huge fan, by your reasoning we should say thank you and ask how far when the Liberals bend us over since the rest of Canadians are getting hosed by them as well.
It's going to be a pleasure the next time a Liberal political candidate of any level shows up on my doorstep, they're going to get an earful they can't wait to be able to get away from!
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north_of_60 on Dec 14, 2016 at 1:06 pm
@DGA
The earth doesn't care about per-capita numbers, it reacts to total pollution load. This will help you understand.
If each of the 100 apartment dwellers on one side of your backyard pool, dumps a liter of pee in your pool and the one neighbor in the house on the other side dumps 20 liters of pee in your pool, then which neighbors are polluting the pool most. Global pollution is global, there is no 'peeing-end' in the atmosphere pool.
The world's biggest polluters are the countries producing coal: China, USA, Australia, Indonesia, & India. It poisons the planet if it's burned at home or exported to be burned elsewhere. Digging coal out of the ground and exporting it around the globe where it's burned is a significant addition to the worlds GHGs and toxic air pollution. It's far more toxic than oilsands.
A fair, honest and effective CarbonTax would set the tax rate for any product based on the percent of global GHGs emitted by the country where the product was made. For example, products from China would be taxed at 29%, made in USofA: 15%, India/Bangladesh: 6%. Those countries are responsible for half the human-caused GHG emissions on earth. Their governments set the policies that let polluters in that country profit. Canada produces about 2% of the global GHGs, so products made in Canada would be taxed at that rate.
Consumers should actually pay for their share of the global pollution caused by their demand for more cheap 'stuff'. Products from countries that don't pollute the planet would have a market advantage over products from countries that cause the most harm to the earth.
Any fuel tax imposed across-the-board is nothing more than another blatant increase in the GST, regardless of how they choose to label it for consumer consumption.
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Red on Dec 14, 2016 at 9:07 am
Good god all you entitled yukoners are too much for me.
You do realize that everything you consume has to travel that much farther on planes, truck etc., to get to you, right?
You do realize how much energy you consume when it is -40, right?
You do realize that most everyone takes at least one or two trips out of the Yukon on a plane every year right, just to "get out"?
You do realize that the tax here is 5% vs 12-15% in most of the country right?
You do realize that most wages here are twice that of those in the rest of lower Canada, right?
You do realize the amount of transfer payment the Yukon receives every year from Ottawa, right? And you realize those are the only reason the Yukon still exists and the reason it can be a destination for hippies to fly here and feel like they are doing their part because they live in the Yukon.
This was not an option...everyone in Canada must pay. Everyone in the world is moving towards these changes.
So what. The provinces should pay..territories should not but we continue to get more free money right?
Hey, here is a thought...sell your boat, side by side, snow machine, 3500 truck that you use to commute to work in.
I've never met such a group of entitled people in my life.
Everything for nothing...hey...let's separate from Canada like GC wants to do. Then we will see how well the Yukon does.
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Salar on Dec 13, 2016 at 9:44 pm
Too many rednecks without any facts to back the rants. Things are not as rosy when you can't mine the hell out of it anymore, though you need to blame commodities and don't forget the YP rode an econmony that Rome would have drooled over....and they never did a thing to help those who might have lost work in an economic downturn.....so if you gotta move to pay your taxes, the same ones everybody is paying, then don't let the new liberal party slogans hit you in the ass on the way out.
My rant.
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Bill Williams on Dec 13, 2016 at 8:30 pm
I have done my part to reduce greenhouse gas. I now use Beano and have not had a fart for 2 yrs. But to get serious our little dot on the map does nothing to warm the globe. Every effort we make is negated by one small forest fire. The peons will forever be squeezed by the kingdom. Any carbon tax is a load of crap. Next will be a tax on oxygen based on the average consumption of a human.
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north_of_60 on Dec 13, 2016 at 7:44 pm
@May -- I 'went Green' and did my part to lower emissions over a decade ago; my CO2 'footprint' is now about 20% of the North American average.
Before you lecture me to use even less, first tell us:
What's Your Carbon Footprint?
Are you sure you're not the one who is "self absorbed" and "brainwashed"?
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north_of_60 on Dec 13, 2016 at 6:38 pm
@PSG is correct. Like many I built a very energy efficient house over a decade ago when I could finally afford it. It's heated with wood and electricity. My vehicles are old, paid for, fuel efficient and clean running. They were built to be maintained, not thrown away when something shiny and new comes along.
So my cost of living will increase with no benefit to me so that the government can use those taxes to buy electric cars, wind turbines and solar panels made in China by factories spewing toxic pollution into the air, across the land and water.
Most of the toxic pollution that falls on Canada comes from Asia. Toxins like mercury from their dirty coal plants gets in our food. Canada's coal fired generators are required to filter the toxins out of the air, but the NDP & LIBs want to shut them down, cripple our economy and buy more crap from Asia.
Please tell me Mr. Silver, how is that going to be better for the Earth, the Yukon, or our family? We deserve an answer, it's not a rhetorical question to be ignored.
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Blood From A Stone on Dec 13, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Anyone on here who actually thinks another tax of any form will save the planet is outright dillusional. If all it took to do that was taxes Canada would be squeaky clean already. Being one of the entitled northerners as 'May' put it means that over 50% of my wages already go to either federal, territorial, municipal, gas, SIN, or other taxes and government fees. What do Liberals Justin Trudeau, Larry Bagnell, and Sandy Silver want next, my firstborn child? Isn't government supposed to help the people instead of pushing them further and further down and making life harder for everyone? People have had enough and are getting angry.
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Duane Gastant' Aucoin on Dec 13, 2016 at 5:01 pm
The Financial Post recently showed that the fuels covered by the BC Carbon Tax there was a 16% drop compared to a 3% increase for the rest of Canada.
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/b-c-s-carbon-tax-shift-works
The main reason there was a slight increase in 12/13 is mainly due to the fact that the tax was frozen at $30/tonne and economists agree that for a carbon tax to be effective it has to be higher to change behaviours & keep up with inflation.
Canada is a very large polluter per capita & even with our small population we are the 8th largest polluter in the world. Our emissions are even higher than all of Africa which has over 20 times our population.
Yes, a carbon tax alone will not reach the goals agreed to in the Paris Climate Agreement. But it must be also accompanied by other measures such as investing in green technologies.
I'm just one individual so what impact could I alone have on reducing global emissions? But together as a world community we all have a responsibility to work together to address this global crisis. It would be unfair for us to leave it up to everyone else to clean up a mess we helped make. So let's do what we can individually & collectively to help save the only home we all share...the Earth!
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Pjt1959 on Dec 13, 2016 at 4:51 pm
I will not say I am in favour of more taxes when it is a compound tax and no one can give a true cost to us. To me this is the biggest tax grab since income tax. Let's use a potato farmer he pays carbon tax to plant, maintaining crop, harvest, transport to processor, processor pays carbon tax, transport to store pays carbon tax, store pays pays carbon tax and most will pay carbon tax to go and purchase. That is a real compounded tax. I do not see how this tax is going to be $500 a year maybe on personal heating and transport but not on goods. Lets not forget that GST at the end is added to the cost of most items. We all know that China in less than a week could cancel all of our carbon foot print if Canada went carbon free for a year. Yes we can look at better ways but we don't need more taxes for government to waste. What is the carbon foot print on making a lot of the so called green energy I would like to know. That is my rant.
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May on Dec 13, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Wow... so many typical entitled northerners believing because you choose to live in one of the coldest climates in the world you should be exempt from doing your part to lower admissions. The long goal of the tax is to encourage people to go green because then you pay less, oh and guess what? You also get to help prolong the life of our planet. Anyone who doesn't understand the importance in all that needs to move to China. That's where the world is headed if we don't start changing our polluting ways... all of us not just China! You blame China but won't fight to not head in that direction... makes sense! Don't want to pay that tax? Go green! And fight the oil and fossil fuel industry that constantly strategize to control all our sources of energy. There are other possibilities out there if you open your self absorbed eyes to the way you are being brainwashed into thinking there is no other way. The tax is a baby step in the right direction. Do some research people.
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ProScience Greenie on Dec 13, 2016 at 2:37 pm
The problem is that many of us with already low C02 footprints are going to have a hard time paying 5% extra for everything. That's a lot of money. Can't really think of much else we can do with our home to make it more efficient to be eligible for rebates so really it's money straight out of our pockets never to be seen again unless that 5% tax pushes us close enough to the poverty line to get something back at tax time. So in the big picture the carbon tax will correct the behavior of a few, many won't even notice it but for a good number of us it will be a straight up hit in the pocketbook. Hard to spin it differently.
It should also be mentioned that many of us skeptical of a carbon sin tax are not AGW Deniers. We understand that global reduction of GHG is needed but simply do not see the tax that will hit many hard as doing much good. Better ways surely exist.
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Where Are All These Hummers At? on Dec 13, 2016 at 12:48 pm
Woodcutter, yes because you see Hummers parked on every street corner right, and you can't walk down the block without tripping on the d--- things can you? For your info people living throughout this territory have to make supply trips to town and need larger vehicles for that, but let's try and gas price them into driving small cars so they have to make twice as many trips as with a larger vehicle. That's so genius it sounds like a true Lib idea, or maybe you want to save the environment by just having everyone move to Whitehorse so they don't have to travel, or as you suggested everyone can just all move away. From the sounds of it you must be a 'Whitehorse city slicker' woodcutter.
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jean on Dec 13, 2016 at 12:43 pm
For about half the year, water is spilled over our dams because we don't need the electricity it could produce. It's been like that for decades. Why didn't Whitehorse invest in a fleet of electric buses with our gas-tax rebates instead of growing the bureaucracy bigger with useless appendages like a 'sustainability department'? Electric buses could run for half the year and make transit passes almost free during that time. That would get vehicles off the road when traffic is the worst.
Since almost everything in the Yukon runs on the tax dollars we receive from Canadians, how is another tax increase going to make anything better?
If this "new government" uses our "new taxes" to finally invest in a fleet of electric buses, then for the sake of Canadians and the Planet make sure those buses are made in Canada and use new batteries made from recycled batteries here in Canada. Yes, even if it costs more tax dollars. Keep jobs in Canada, don't send them to Asia where factories spew toxic pollution into the air, water, and across the land. Cheap isn't always best.
Let's make sure that poorly thought-out good intentions don't actually make things worse.
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north_of_60 on Dec 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm
Carbon Taxes do NOT reduce GHG emissions. B.C.’s carbon tax is supposed to reduce emissions. But B.C.’s emissions are rising.
“Since 2010, B.C.’s GHG emissions have increased every year,” said economist Mark Lee. “As of 2013 they are up 4.3 per cent above 2010 levels.” ...Lee doesn’t work for an anti-carbon tax think tank. He works for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. And he doesn’t mince words. “Let’s cut the cr@p about B.C.’s carbon tax,” said Lee. “To be truly effective, carbon taxes will need to be much higher than B.C.’s current rates.”
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Consider that scenario; a carbon tax so high that it not only reduces emissions, it completely eliminates emissions for all of Canada.
That would lower global emissions by 1.6 per cent. That’s right: 98.4 per cent of global emissions would be completely unchanged even if every single Canadian stopped barbecuing, driving or heating the house. And even that progress could be erased as emerging markets build power plants.
Don’t be fooled into believing that carbon taxes benefit anyone besides the tax collectors.
Energy conserving retrofits reduce GHG emissions; Carbon Taxes do not.
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Dave on Dec 13, 2016 at 12:05 pm
@Duane, by your comment of 'A portion of the tax should be rebated to low income Yukoners' you demonstrate the typical socialist perspective that the money I go out and work hard for is yours to take and give away as you see fit. You are wrong, it is not yours, it does not belong to any government, it is not owed to someone who is on social assistance, it is mine, I worked for it, I earned it for the benefit of myself and my family, period. I work hard for my wages and if I want to donate to charity I will or won't as I see fit. I will not have some socialist telling me I owe my wages to the underprivileged on top of all the millions they are already provided thanks to the taxes collected from me and other workers like myself already.
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Dee Plorables on Dec 13, 2016 at 4:48 am
You folks seem to forget the Yukon just had a referendum on the issue ... so why the blather? Or is it all about something else? Thought there was no room left in the basket by now ... oh well.
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Nike on Dec 12, 2016 at 11:58 pm
This is what people voted for. I hope you're all happy.
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Woodcutter on Dec 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm
Wha wha wha always the same cry baby response from those who can't evolve. It won't ruin the country or the economy, we are talking pennies a litre. The big price jump will come from the sudden jump in oil prices. You don't like it move, leave the country, take off. Or if you want to Pay less, switch to green energy, renewable and change your habits. Like perhaps take the bus to work or sell your hummer and purchase a hybrid. Good move for our children's future.
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jc on Dec 12, 2016 at 9:57 pm
Canada is not polluting. Most of the pollution in Canada is being blown here from China who is the greatest polluter on the planet. I'm getting tired of these environmenalists like Suzuki and Gore blaming us for what China especially is responsible for. By the way, Suzuki owns at least 3 multi million dollar mansions. His carbon foot print is about half of Whitehorse put together. And he has become a god to so many useful idiots - it's disgusting.
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north_of_60 on Dec 12, 2016 at 9:29 pm
"The framework also recognizes the “unique circumstances and opportunities of Indigenous Peoples and northern, remote and vulnerable communities,” and draws upon traditional knowledge."
Isn't that Libspeak for: 'of course some groups who are already 100% tax supported will be exempt from carbon taxes' ?
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Absolutely Disgusted on Dec 12, 2016 at 7:33 pm
And yet the Territory just voted these Liberal clowns into government, congratulations you got what you voted for! Little Potato the Selfie King now has another devoted follower in Silver to lap up his BS.
Pasloski had said he would do what he could to fight the carbon tax and not just fall in line and be Trudeaus little lap dog, but no everyone had to vote the big bad Yukon party out because they weren't all touchy feely. So I hope the Liberals tax the H--- out of Yukoners to support all their little pet projects because you Liberal voters asked for it. You saw the unmitigated disaster that is a Liberal provincial government in Ontario and other provinces and you asked for the same treatment so get ready to open your wallets big time!
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Duane Gastant' Aucoin on Dec 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm
Yukoners must do our part to reduce our carbon emissions. Everywhere that has a carbon tax has showed a reduction in CO2 emissions. Even in Australia showed an 11% reduction but still cancelled it due to pressure from industry. A portion of the tax collected should be rebated to low income Yukoners with the rest being invested in supporting Green Initiatives. Yes, things will cost more. But that will force us to look at reducing our costs. Driving more efficient vehicles, driving less & increased use of energy efficient products. It's the sacrifice that I'm willing to make to ensure that my children & grandchildren still have a habitable planet when I'm long gone. I don't want my legacy to be that I didn't help save our planet but chose to drive a fancy Hummer instead! Global CO2 levels are the highest they've ever been since us humans been around & here in the Yukon the annual temperature has gone up over 2'C. We no longer have time to be debating this but must act now for the sake of our future generations!
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Groucho d'North on Dec 12, 2016 at 5:33 pm
So Mr. Premier, any news about when there will be some movement on addressing our housing crisis? Now that you're pals with the PM, I am hoping your acquaintance with himself proves helpful for those in our communities who could use some help. Peace on Earth Goodwill Towards Men.
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Max Mack on Dec 12, 2016 at 5:18 pm
Silver trading Yukon prosperity for a spot at Justin's table? So very sad.
The Yukon could stop all burning and production of all petroleum products in its entirety and there would be no discernible impact on human-caused CO2 emissions.
Our costs are about to jump through the roof. I can't help but wonder how the Stats agencies are going to hide the impacts.
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don't be fooled again on Dec 12, 2016 at 4:42 pm
Does anyone really believe that casinos return all the money they get back to the players? The "house" always takes their cut off the top. Most of the money will go to grow a carbon-tax bureaucracy; that's what governments do.
http://theprovince.com/business/energy/jordan-bateman-better-get-ready-for-trudeaus-carbon-cops
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Oh yes... on Dec 12, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Carbon tax is good for everyone. What are you some kind of nut? The last thing we need is another tax. There are so many folks now who are barely able to pay to live and you want to increase their cost of living with a stupid tax!! Stop grovelling Silver to your buddy in Ottawa and look after OUR interests first and foremost. I am a senior and the last thing my wife and I need is an increase to our daily living because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. Aw gee, I forgot the old age pension last year went up $.36 (36 cents) per month - should be lots there to cover off the rate of inflation. Perhaps it is time seniors formed a union!
Money grabbing Liberals are always happy to dip their grimy fingers into our wallets whilst they squander tax money to their buddies.
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Francis Pillman on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:52 pm
Just another tax to make us all poorer. The majority of our power is already generated by hydro. How does paying more for our food and goods make us use less? It doesn't. We all still have to eat.
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Tater on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:38 pm
So the Yukon Libs will refund any revenue taken in by the carbon tax thru rebates. Isn't that taking it with one hand and giving it back with the other. Sounds like a bureaucratic exercise to me.
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Just Say'in on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:21 pm
"The framework also recognizes the “unique circumstances and opportunities of Indigenous Peoples and northern, remote and vulnerable communities,” and draws upon traditional knowledge."
So what is this statement angling towards? I see there is likely yet another nose in the trough.
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Just Say'in on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:17 pm
How on Earth do people believe Taxing me more will change anything. This is purely a cash cow for the Government. The way to get the provinces to buy in is to say we will share the loot with you. Then the Provinces get the people on side by saying they will share the loot with us. What a load of BS. How about we just keep our money in the first place what a bunch of Thieves.
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scamdy on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:07 pm
Human activities produce 3% of global co2 emissions, the remaining 97% are caused naturally by the earth. This whole human caused climate change lie is the most blatant fake news story ever told. It is nothing more than a undesigned global wealth redistribution scam. Congratulations for destroying Canadas future