Photo by Whitehorse Star
Mike Ellis
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Mike Ellis
The city may be moving into the next phase on its proposal to create new residential lots at 10 of the 13 sites originally put forward.
The city may be moving into the next phase on its proposal to create new residential lots at 10 of the 13 sites originally put forward.
At Monday’s city council meeting, Mike Ellis, the acting planning and sustainability manager, brought forward the recommendation that public consultation get underway for the next phase of the planning for the lots.
It would see detailed layout for the lots presented to the public for comments before council decides on zoning.
As Ellis noted, one site in Mary Lake and two in Whitehorse Copper, both local subdivisions, have been taken off the table over geotechnical, hydrogeological, and road sightline concerns.
The remaining sites in Logan, Arkell, Granger, Hidden Valley, Cowley Creek, Porter Creek as well as two remaining sites in Mary Lake and two in Whitehorse Copper do not have technical issues. Consequently, they are proposed to go forward to the next phase.
This phase would include further public consultation on detailed lot layouts that would incorporate feedback already given through the first phase of public input.
The proposal has already been met with a number of concerns from residents of the neighbourhoods that see the addition of new properties.
In some areas, residents’ signatures were gathered to note their collective opposition for the infill proposal in their neighbourhood.
Others voiced their concerns in presentations to council, while the city also sought feedback through a survey done online.
“A total of 462 survey responses were received for the eight areas, ranging from 27 responses to 85 per survey,” it was highlighted in the report that came forward to council Monday night.
“Over 60 emails and letters were also received.”
Overall concerns focused on consultation (with arguments that the consultation window was too short and there was not enough information provided).
Concerns were also expressed about greenspace protection. Some respondents suggested additional sites for development.
For country residential areas, major concerns focused on the impact on wells and septic systems; the impact on wildlife; and loss of greenspace.
Finally, in urban areas, residents brought forward issues around the impacts from increased density and the disappearance of greenspace.
“If development was approved in these areas, residents expressed that:
• existing trails should be maintained;
• development regulations should be similar to existing neighbours;
• adequate sight lines for parking and traffic should be maintained; and
• country residential lot sizes should be adequate to support well/septic systems,” Ellis stated in his report to council.
Council will vote next week on whether to move the plans forward.
If council votes in favour, administration would provide detailed lot layouts for public input.
“A comprehensive consultation strategy is being developed that would include many opportunities for input,” Ellis noted in his report to council members.
Coun. Rob Fendrick indicated he will vote in favour of moving to the next phase, commending staff for first going out with a “blank slate” on the proposal.
“It was a good process,” he said.
There have been some misunderstandings about the way the city is going about the plans, Fendrick added.
When the city goes to the public with a blank slate to get ideas on what should be done, he pointed out, it’s criticized for not providing enough details.
On the other hand, when it provides more details on a proposal, there are criticisms that it doesn’t allow for enough input.
A zoning amendment process for the sites requiring a zoning change could be in place in September, concluding with a public hearing Oct. 16.
A final decision on whether to proceed with development could be made by Oct. 30.
Under questioning by a few council members, Ellis emphasized that the city would be able to split the votes to individual sites or by neighbourhood. Exactly how it will be done has still not been determined.
“There’s options,” Ellis said, stressing the city is taking everything in the process “one step at a time.”
City staff would work on how council will vote on individual infill proposals in September.
Most immediately though, council will vote next week on whether to move ahead with more detailed lot layouts.
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Comments (13)
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Atom on Aug 7, 2017 at 7:05 pm
Infill in lieu of sprall is economical and more representative of a wilderness city.
It's obvious folks in this wilderness city don't like infill or snow machines so the City staff should just spend the money and create a couple new subdivisions so folks can get land and build a house.
Then those folks can oppose everything that makes sense, so there's a balance, you know.
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Miles Ocean on Aug 6, 2017 at 7:10 pm
Be careful folks. City councilors and city staff work for us but they seem to represent only the Klondike Snowmobile Association and mountain bikers. I cannot understand why this is. We should ask what they owe them.
If you want to protect areas near quiet sub-divisions join together and fight the dogma and the nonsense. This would not take place in any other city.
Whistle Bend is an example, the city deiced the perimeter trail was non-motorized and media reported this but council now says its open to skidoos. For fuddle sakes, they cannot just draw a snowmobile trail a few hundred meters away from the pedestrian trail and cut a few limbs to make a trail that does not create a conflict. Wow, we elected these people and pay senior admin staff $100,000 to $150,000 per year for making these decisions.
And yes, there is a safety factor associated with motorized vehicles on pedestrian trails. Does council really need examples.
Back to Infilling- if you oppose you're an anti and selfish. What about all those loud machines operated by entitled and selfish people vs quiet areas and quiet greenspace.
Has the city really thought this through or is it a level of arrogance and inability to make pragmatic decisions?
Remember, they work for us so why do they get away with the nonsense.
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Jayne W on Aug 6, 2017 at 1:08 am
@Atom, yes I am a very lucky gal to be able to alter geotechnical, hydrological and road sightline reports. Check out the reports from the City and Tetra Tech educate yourself.
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Atom on Aug 5, 2017 at 10:40 am
Jayne w....sounds like you had success in foiling lot development in your sub (Mary Lake or Copper).
Enjoy the nice weather in your country res.....god knows you've earned it. Ick
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Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2017 at 8:43 pm
Gee anie...reads like you and I went to college together...? Oddly enough you have a couple of valid points even.
I so remember that ad as it was my generation, and yes as a wee brat I was much like that. The term positive is very subjective as any opposition to your thinking by default your mind will tell you it is negative.
In the old days when folks used to talk freely, all sorts of issues were debated without the absolute freakout that is standard now. Collectively we have turned into a bunch of sucks, delusional in the belief of some fake right to never be offended. Then comes folks as I, there are many, most certain to offend...call it intellectual diversity. I get joy outta challenging group think and virtuous mobs, and reside it a target rich place for so much joy.
If you think I hate this place, you might have taken a shorter bus to school. I love it so much I refuse to let the stupidity go unchecked.
And last point Hillary, I am going offline awhile so you can enjoy the peace in your echo chamber in this lovely town with the dubious title of murder capital of Canada.
Silly me, facts are negative and often racist.
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Miles Ocean on Aug 4, 2017 at 7:31 pm
We are all treated the same way by council and city administration. Treated very poorly generally.
Residents and First Nations seem to get the same treatment. Half baked city plans and deceptive city administration actions which are very insulting. It's nice to know the approach is across the board but it's disturbing.
What is of concern is though that the city is rapidly giving our greenspaces and trails and environmentally sensitive areas away to ATVs and trail bikes and snow machines without enforcing basic requirements that involve license plates and insurance. They are also making sub-divisions more densely populated when they could simply build more subdivisions.
If some kept you awake at night with their noisy trail bike, bylaw was likely nowhere to be seen.
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Anie on Aug 4, 2017 at 2:23 pm
Not Clint Eastwood: Do you remember the old TV ad "give it to Mikey's. He hates everything"? Well that's Josey. He hates everything, and contributes nothing positive to any discussion. It's so sad that he seems unable to leave this lovely place that he so much despises. Guess he can't afford to go, or maybe he hates every other place too. But I don't think anything will ever bring him joy and he probably doesn't remember what happy even feels like, so he's best ignored.
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Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2017 at 8:41 pm
Hey NCE...what will I do? What I always have done, in person right to the source. You get a sanitized version of me here, no moderation in the real world. Facebook...never as I completely am diametric to Mark's rabid leftist doctrine. Actually NCE it is harder to "come at people.." here as a result of the buffer snowflakes need called moderators.
We have many many serious issues this town, serious dissent is needed projected at the enablers of this dysfunctional town.
Trust me NCE...if I trigger you here, you could not look me in the eye as I would you whilst I do what it is I do...melt snowflakes.
Oh yeah NCE...have a good day should be nice?
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Miles Ocean on Aug 3, 2017 at 4:28 pm
Yes, Josy Wales hides behind a name. It is nice to be able to raise issues in a small town without using your name though.
Some people do agree with old Jose on many occasions which is disconcerting.
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Not Clint eastwood on Aug 3, 2017 at 12:49 pm
What is this "Josey wales" fella going to do if the Whitehorse Star also starts requiring comments to go through Facebook? Real easy to come at people when you hide behind an old movie character and speak in the third person.
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Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2017 at 10:04 am
Gee...must have been too close to some cronies of our administration those lots?
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Joe on Aug 3, 2017 at 1:06 am
These guys are a joke.... what a waste of tax money.
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Jayne W on Aug 1, 2017 at 9:52 pm
Thank you Whitehorse Star for acknowledging the signatures that were gathered on the petition. Over 140 VOTERS signed and many commented. The petition was sent to City Council and the Planning Department, but they failed to add that into their "What we heard report" in the initial consultation. I hope citizens that have questions on the infill that they keep emailing Mayor and Council and the Planning Department.