Whitehorse Daily Star

City studying wide range of fee increases

The city still needs to address outstanding concerns that it unfairly competes with local fitness centres, a couple of city councillors agree.

By Chuck Tobin on October 6, 2009

The city still needs to address outstanding concerns that it unfairly competes with local fitness centres, a couple of city councillors agree.

Among the list of several fee increases city council is contemplating was a new fee schedule for the services of a fitness instructor at the Canada Games Centre.

Coun. Doug Graham said at the Sept. 28 regular council meeting he could not support the bylaw as long it contained the fitness fees.

"I am still very concerned we are in direct competition with the two clubs,” Graham told his council colleagues. They then agreed to remove the provision for instructor fees before giving first and second readings to the bylaw.

The city, the councillor continued, has been facing the criticisms of unfair competition for some time now but has yet to resolve the matter in any clear fashion.

"It is a very important issue.”

City manager Dennis Shewfelt told council city staff members are looking closely at the competition concerns and will be preparing a report in the coming months.

Graham said in a subsequent interview he doesn't have a problem with the city providing fitness equipment for users of the Canada Games Centre.

But providing paid instructors at a publicly-owned facility subsidized by taxpayers to the tune of 60 per cent of its operating cost is purely competition with Better Bodies and Peak Fitness, he said.

"Whereas in the private business, you have to pay for that,” he said of the operating expenses for the two clubs.

Graham said the city should not be threatening the bottom line for those two businesses in any way.

Owners of the private fitness clubs have recently expressed concern about the city expanding its fitness services at their expense.

Currently, adults can pay $6.90 a day to use the Canada Games Centre and all it it has to offer; exercise equipment, running track, pool, ice rinks and the all-purpose flexi-hall.

The bylaw was proposing a new $13 drop-in fee for those who wanted time with a fitness instructor, a $110 punch card for 10 visits, with a $40 fee to add another 10 lessons.

Council agreed to remove the fitness fees prior to voting on other provisions of the fee bylaw.

Under the bylaw, which still requires third reading:

• recreational fees would rise 1.5 per cent, in keeping with the regular annual increase to keep pace with the cost of living;

• there would be a new $5 fee for booking recreational facilities;

• the annual licence for un-neutered pets would rise 30 per cent from $38.50 to $50;

• the cost of a demolition permit would jump from $25 to $200, representing an 800-per-cent increase;

• there would be a new fee of $55 for special inspections by the building department; bulk waste hauled to the Whitehorse landfill from outside the city, primarily by the Yukon government hauling garbage from rural transfer stations, would go up 43 per cent, from $70 per tonne to $100; and

• there would be a new fee of $35 for stoves, fridges and other white-metal appliances dropped off at the landfill.

Third reading of the bylaw is scheduled to go before council next Tuesday evening, the last regular council meeting prior to the Oct. 15 municipal election.

Comments (14)

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Red Emma on Oct 14, 2009 at 10:13 am

What Anthony said.

Yeah, we all need to pay for facilities, infrastructure and services, even if we don't personally need to use them right now. Let's just try to keep those costs under control.

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Joel on Oct 13, 2009 at 1:38 pm

I am just thinking about this, maybe residents of the city should pay a lower rate than the rest of the people in the territory, since our taxes and fees pay for the center. Poeple that live outside of city limits should pay more to use the facility since they are not paying out of their taxes.

I know alot of people that think living outside of city limits is the way to go, they don't pay the taxes and fees, but like to use everything that Whitehorse has to offer and the residents (including myself) pay for...lets think of ways to fix these problems rather than to bash the city or the private providers....

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Anthony on Oct 13, 2009 at 11:41 am

Tired of it:

I don't care if you don't use the CGC, you're still going to pay for it.

I don't use the hospital, yet I still (happily) pay for it. Socialism 101, read up on it.

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Tired of it on Oct 12, 2009 at 3:11 am

OMG Patricia 1104! That's the whole point!

The reason you can go to the big fancy facility is simply that we are paying your way. Private business including fitness centers have to pay 100% of their costs so their rates may be higher( but guess what they are not). I am paying more of your CGC membership fee than you are because the taxpayer is subsidizing 60% of it and I dont even go there....not sure why that is difficult to grasp. I love all these people that say let private business suck it up and drop prices while they enjoy services that everyone else pays for. It is simple...groups like the swim clubs, hockey, soccer etc should get the price breaks so our kids and adults involved in those sports can afford to go. Those that want aerobics and personal trainers and shiny new equipment should pay for it. Keep the classes and the equipment and trainers but pay market rates for those things. And another thing, why should I as a taxpayer pay for half the City employees and their families rates when they make probably $25+ dollars per hour! Make people pay for what they want at the CGC and use the extra money for our community services and requirements. The gym I go to does not charge for every little thing and the trainers are qualified..they do not have the $49 online certification, they actually have education. Maybe that is why your instructor was a waste of time..they had the $49 qualifications!

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Max on Oct 9, 2009 at 6:13 am

To "tired of it" . . .

I am a former "iron head" and have far more experience with private gyms than +95% of gym users and +98% of the population.

So, I do know what I'm talking about.

The markets are not the same. Further, private gyms do not offer the same infrastructure as the CWG (e.g. pool, ice rinks, indoor soccer, etc).

Perhaps YOU need to get out more, or check your biases at the door.

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Tired of it on Oct 7, 2009 at 12:04 pm

Hey Max. The fact is that the markets are exactly the same or why would they offer the same services?? Remember they kicked out the weight watchers group! I believe they said they were targeting a different market but it seems they lied. Bottom line is they have to figure out how to pay the bills and they will do anything & anyhow to do that...even at the cost of private business. One private center includes sessions with a personal trainer at no cost and aerobics classes are included in all memberships and the rate is cheaper than the multiplex. The private centers face the same liability as the City...not sure of your point there.You really should check facts better. Maybe get out more!

One fact is that the cleaning contract alone is worth $32,500 every month ($402,000 per year). At 60% subsidized that means the taxpayers who do not use the facility have to pay $20,000 every month just to have it cleaned, factor in power, heat, wages, finance charges, maintenance etc etc, all at a 60% subsidization rate and you can surely see the need for a better look. The costs are astronomical! Maybe if the users want all the services they should pay their way....that would be fair I think. As "Doing The Math" says...the CGC should be subsidized somewhat as a community rec center but perks and the fitness center should be extra charges. With 2000 members which I doubt they have...they should pay $17.00 per month just to clean it. If you quickly calculate that cleaning should be about 10% to 15% of the totals costs and you feel a community rec center should be 20% subsidized then users should pay around $135.00 per month. That's if they have 2000 members which I doubt!! My 8 year old daughter can design a facility that while very very nice loses money hand over fist!! I am not a smart guy but something does not seem right.

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Lisa Kelly on Oct 7, 2009 at 7:56 am

Whitehorse does not need a recreational fee increase, this city is boring enough especially in the winter time, we need to be able to afford doing things as a family.

I agree with the above, rollback mayor and council wages, hell, do it with city employees as well. Look at other options before you hike the rec fees. Man i cant wait for election time

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Patricia 1104 on Oct 7, 2009 at 7:13 am

The gyms need to stop there crying. If they want people to go to their gyms than how about offering things the everyday person can afford. I dont go to the gyms becausr they charge way to much for everything. Even if you ask how to use something they try to get you to sign up for a instructor to help you. at a cost of $60hr plus depending on where you go. Suck it up Peak and Better bodies. Nothing wrong with a little competition. I have paid the money to have an instructures help, what a waste of money. Half of them don't even know what they are talking about. I found it for a small fee and a online test anyone can become a personal trainer.

You gyms want more people to go to your gym then lower your prices and get people who actually no what they are talking about. STOP CHARGING FOR EVERY LITTLE THING!!

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Doug Rutherford on Oct 7, 2009 at 5:54 am

I found the quote "recreational fees would rise 1.5 per cent, in keeping with the regular annual increase to keep pace with the cost of living" rather disconcerting. If the city actually feels this is fair, why don't property taxes have the same limitation?

Property taxes have far and away outstripped the cost of living and it is a safe presumption that these will increase in the coming fiscal year.

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francias pillman on Oct 7, 2009 at 5:52 am

Lol@800% increase to demolish something. Maybe this town should stop buying things no one can afford. The games center? The safety building? Now people have to pay more fees yet again because the poor fitness clubs are crying. No matter who gets in to council or mayor, the damage that continues to be put forth on this town will be felt for years to come. Thank you city of whitehorse for continually stealing my money that's entirely based on your incompetence.

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Max on Oct 7, 2009 at 5:03 am

I understand Graham's concerns about "competition" with the private sector. However, they are misguided.

In the main, CWG clientelle are not going to join private gyms. People who regularly use CWG facilities are a different group of users than those that are members of the private gyms. In this sense, there is no competition.

Perhaps the gyms should concern themselves with being more competitive. Gym members should not have to pay for an instructor to learn how to safely use equipment or how to set up a basic training regimen. Private gyms are also notorious for under-paying their staff.

Graham's argument also fails to recognize the significant liability that the city faces if it provides equipment for public use but then fails to ensure that the public is adequately informed on proper usage.

Regarding the new landfill fees for "white metal appliances" . . . these fees will most surely result in applicances being "illegally" dumped (or other unsavoury practices). The city is being blinded by its need for revenue.

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doing the math on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:56 am

A COLA increase only makes sense where your fee (or wage) was appropriate in the first place. The cost of running the CGC needs to be subsidized somewhat, particularly for overhead and the pool and rink facilities, but the fitness centre and other perks should be charged back to the users. A 1.5 increase isn't worth the amount of paper it will take to draft it.

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Anthony on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 am

Cut all travel for mayor and council.

Cut the mayors car allowance.

Roll back wages for mayor (25%) and (5%)council.

Enforce Bylaws. Littering, parking, misuse of handicap parking, speeding, running red lights, rolling stops, RVs illegally parked on residential blvds.

Scale back the 'public safety' building.

Generate Revenue: Purchase old Canadian Tire building and develop rental/low income hosing/retail development.

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Joel on Oct 6, 2009 at 7:52 am

Maybe the city should be looking at living within its current budget rather than charging us more.

I know when I have a budget shortfall I have to cut some of my expenses...might make sense for our council to start to think the same...maybe the new council will think more....

I would love to be able to do every project on my list of things to do, but I can't, it is not realistic. I can only hope the new mayor will think before saying yes to everyone.

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