City spurns Sima plan, but will pay off chairlift
City spurns Sima plan, but will pay off chairlift
By Stephanie Waddell on June 25, 2013
How the Great Northern Ski Society (GNSS) will respond to city council's unanimous decision to reject its proposed business plan for Mount Sima won't be known until at least Wednesday afternoon.
In a brief interview this morning, society secretary Lee Vincent said the board has a meeting scheduled for noon Wednesday. Members will discuss last night's vote and may have a better sense of how it will proceed.
As she noted, the board needs "time to regroup” after council's decision.
Tomorrow's session, she said, will be a formal board meeting and not open to the public.
The GNSS, which runs Mount Sima, had come forward with the most recent business plan earlier this month, stating it needed an answer from the city on funding by last Friday.
The most recent ask from the board was for $610,000, along with annual funding of about $268,000.
It initially told council that if the funding wasn't available, it would have to look at dissolving the board, essentially leading to the hill's shutdown.
That came after Sima made an initial request of $400,000 in immediate funding and also asked that a long-term core funding of $400,000 annually.
Council didn't provide the funding, but opted to be part of the closed-door Sima Summit sessions coming out of that looking at potential plans to help the beleaguered facility.
The society then came forward with its newest plan, asking for funding once again from the city.
Prior to last night's vote, council members said they recognized the value Mount Sima offers the community.
However, they took issue with the business plan proposed. They argued the solution to Sima's woes needs to be addressed by the entire community, not just through city funds.
Coun. Betty Irwin went on to criticize the board. She argued that while the hill is a community asset, what's debatable are the effectiveness and performance of the ski society board of directors.
She argued the actions of the directors have resulted in the situation the society is in now.
Others were looking for specific actions in the plan that could help the hill continue to operate.
Coun. Mike Gladish said that with no downsizing proposed, he couldn't support the plan.
Meanwhile, Coun. Kirk Cameron noted that it's only been within the last week or so that the city has been hearing that the community is now very interested.
The whole situation "puts us in a really tough position,” he said.
Stating her agreement with Cameron, Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu added that had more of the community had the opportunity to speak up at the Sima Summit events that were closed to the general public, they might not be where they are now.
To the GNSS, she said: "Have faith in your community.”
Mayor Dan Curtis then encouraged the society to have faith in the city as well.
He emphasized that no one on council wants to see a ski hill shutdown, but rather would like a solution from within the overall community.
Earlier in the meeting, the mayor also took issue with a campaign that made the rounds on social media and other sources arguing that "Whitehorse city council is voting to close Mt. Sima this week! Remind them that your community includes Mt. Sima.”
It then goes on to encourage residents to share a picture of Sima which includes the text "My community includes Mt. Sima” and email or call city council about the issue.
The mayor addressed Trevor Mead-Robins, who appeared as a delegate early in the session to note the benefits of Sima on members of the paragliding community who use the hill.
Curtis said he was extremely offended by the ad and noted the city is trying to work with the community.
"We just don't have the means,” he said of the funding requested.
It was also stressed a number of times that the city wasn't voting to shut the hill down. It will be up to the board of the GNSS to decide how it wants to proceed after council's vote.
Mead-Robins said he isn't among the users you would expect at Sima. He doesn't ski or snowboard, but when the local paragliding group was able to secure liability insurance there and use the hill, he began paragliding there.
It's probably about the only spot where he can head out over his lunch break and paraglide, being back to his office within 1 1/2 hours.
"There's a cost and value for the community,” he said, noting the paragliders are an added spin-off to the hill's typical user groups.
He also said that as a business owner he'd be willing to put an extra $1,000 to the hill, referring to a delegate who appeared before council prior to his presentation.
Kris Pekarik has two kids who regularly use the hill. Last night, she brought forward her proposed plan entitled "Mt. Sima hot potato ... or core sport and recreation facility”.
It suggests a fund-raising effort that would bring community support up to $100,000 through $1,000 contributions. Pekarik is working with a local business owner and a couple of season pass holders on the effort.
The public campaign for funds, though, would only begin when they see "serious intent” by the city on Sima.
"Not another lost moment,” she said.
Coun. Dave Stockdale voted with the rest of council in defeating the Sima business plan.
He said he did so based on the financial request facing the city.
He added he has no doubt the hill will continue to operate, noting the need for a public meeting where residents can look at the facts and figures.
At that meeting, ideas may come forward to deal with the Sima situation from a community level, he suggested.
This morning, Stockdale recalled his early days as a councillor in 1985. He was part of a 4-3 vote to build the Mt. McIntyre curling rink onto the Whitehorse Cross Country Ski Club's chalet in an effort to keep the ski club out of the red.
At the time, the ski club argued that another group was needed to bring in enough cash to get it out of debt.
While council turned down Sima's business plan last night, it later voted in favour of paying off the $192,221 debt on the chairlift with a condition (brought forward by Curteanu) that the lift become titled to the city
A number of council members noted that regardless of the hill's future, it would be beneficial to secure it.
The city provided $1.6 million for the $3-million lift when it was purchased as well.
The territorial government had already committed to paying off the debt on the chairlift, provided the hill opens for the 2013/2014 winter season.
This morning, cabinet spokesman Matthew Grant said that should the hill open for the winter season, the government would reimburse the city.
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Comments (16)
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Mac o on Jun 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm
To god?(good)riddance Sima. How about you troll somewhere else and not misspell your blogging nickname. And then go blog yourself.
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flyingfur on Jun 27, 2013 at 6:02 am
It's enough to make you not pay your municipal taxes...they piss our money away like this and just keep thinking we won't mind.
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Thank You Mayor & Council on Jun 27, 2013 at 3:52 am
I would like to thank the mayor and councillors for voting this down. It was definitely the right thing to do. Paying the ski lift off was a necessary investment to protect the money already given over the years.
As a Whitehorse resident who is still so used to 'Tax & Spend Buckway & Co.' and her councils manner of approving every last sporting or recreational item that came across the table, I am surprised that some organization was actually told NO.
I hope that once the dust has settled, over time there will be another approach taken to the hill that involves a community and volunteer based approach with no high salaries handed out. If it is a fact that there were three $90,000 salaries involved concerning GNSS then just eliminating those for a start pretty much covers the $268,000 in annual funding they were asking the city for doesn't it?
Once again, good job to city council on this one. Keep it up and you'll get my vote again next time.
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yukonMichael on Jun 27, 2013 at 3:11 am
It is too bad that the GNSS did not look at summer camps like many other groups in the city, there are a great many camps open to kids over the summer, would have thought this would be another great opportunity to bring in summer revenue especially after all the tax money that has gone into this hill. Maybe the next board that takes on this project will look at all potential sources of revenue and not just try to get one government or another to write them another check. They also need to look at every expenditure and assess it against the viability of the operation.
It is too bad that this has not happened yet.
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God riddance Sima on Jun 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm
"Trevor Mead-Robins, who appeared as a delegate early in the session to note the benefits of Sima on members of the paragliding community"
The paragliding community. Also known as Trevor Mead-Robins
To Mac O: please look up the definition of blogger.
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Food Bank? on Jun 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Food bank does extensive fund raising and have been very innovative in their efforts to sustain themselves ... they ARE NOT core funded by Government. It is almost 99% staffed by volunteers
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make it stop on Jun 26, 2013 at 8:34 am
First, people need to quit whining about the Mae Bachur Animal Shelter and comparing the two. The shelter gets core funding from YG to the tune of $150k per year at last count.
Second, the Sima debacle is where it is because previous municipal governments pushed so hard to get the Canada Games here. That's why there is a chalet and a snow machine.
There are many reasons Sima is too expensive for most people - including the exorbitant cost of equipment rental. We know who to thank for that. This problem is not going to go away soon - it will be a liability if not a facility - and taxpayers will have to pay.
As for the comment about the people at the food bank - there were articles not too long ago pointing out that many using those services were not in need - but of course that program is not income tested either - and there is public funding for that too.
It never ends...
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yukoner on Jun 26, 2013 at 8:17 am
I said it once and I'll say it again shut it down.
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Mac O on Jun 26, 2013 at 7:30 am
Next on the list of things the city council and mayor should get rid of: Canada Games Center. You fellow bloggers would just love that wouldn't you?
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YukonMichael on Jun 26, 2013 at 4:24 am
Now the last thing I want to do is continue to fund this money pit which as cost taxpayers in the range of $10 million since its inception, but it appears that of the approximately $600,000 that GNSS says it needs that they are already 2/3rds of the way there, the city of Whitehorse has now committed approximately $200,000 as has the territorial government.
I would say it is now time for this board or perhaps it is time for another board to step in, but the board needs to find other sources for the balance of the funds, be that cost reductions or other fund raising initiatives to continue to operate as well as to be feasible in future years.
Maybe they need to start running bingos etc like other sport groups do as a source of raising funds, not as sexy but it works for Softball Yukon, Whitehorse Hockey, Glacier Bear's Swim Club. Lots of people say they want to keep the hill open, the question is what ARE THEY prepared to do to be part of the solution and not just ask someone else to fix their problem.
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Bella Toscana on Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Mt. Sima is not acessible to all - too expensive, must have car, etc.
How the City can pay $192k to pay off a chair lift most of us will never see....while the Mae Bachur Animal Shelter has to scrounge for every nickel and dime...is just plain WRONG.
Helping homeless, needy animals MUST have priority over an elitist sport in a caring society.
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Chris Hale on Jun 25, 2013 at 11:38 am
This was the right thing to do. The city can't keep dumping money into a project that isn't sustainable. The GNSS has never asked the community for ideas or help. They continue to have closed meeting and no transparency with the money. How can we as tax payers keep funding Sima at a projected loss with out transparency?
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Just noticed on Jun 25, 2013 at 10:58 am
Funny, lots of criticism of the board of directors but no mention of the numerous managers, who ran the hill into the ground financially, and could not even do the books. Needed another $2,500 a month for book keeping and accounting. Take a closer look at where the money has gone and where it can be saved.
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Thanks COW on Jun 25, 2013 at 9:15 am
Alas - a wise move by the COW. Thank you for listening and forcing the GNSS to be accountable if they really want to keep the hill running. Proud of your decision Mayor & Council!
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The Dominoes are falling on Jun 25, 2013 at 9:14 am
It has been predicted that at some point a local business would step forward and rescue the Hill ... the pot was just sweetened with the orchestrated plan of removing the debt. Next step is for the local business to offer to lease it all for $1.00 a year and run the hill ... Council was in the pocket since the start.
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June Jackson on Jun 25, 2013 at 8:02 am
So the Council folded and bailed Sima out..
Is anyone surprised? I was pretty ticked off that the Council considered 3.5 MILLION dollars to be very little money given to Sima..kudos to Couteanu for putting it on the record that she considered that a lot of money.. as do I.Striker insisted that all his email wanted Sima..I'll have to drop him a line..
Get ready for that tax hike. We are going to pay out the wazoo for Sima.
Friends and I were discussing the Sima situation and a pro Sima friend said to my continued objections.. Well Junie..what the hell would make you happy? This would make me happy..dissolve the current board. Open it to tenders from the public, let someone come forward, lease the land for 99 years, run a business and make money.
All those "passionate" skiers, put some money where your mouth is because all that mouth is saying so far is..pay for me, I want this, give me your money so I can have what I want.. It will be a business..make it or break it. As a business it can operate for a profit, sell shares, borrow money, incur debt. GNSS did that too.. but they were in contravention of the Societies Act... I am not against Mt. Sima, I am against having to pay for it. While I usually speak only for myself, when it comes to forking out millions of dollars for someone else's entertainment, I am confident that every single person in line at the food bank might feel the same way.