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Shannon Clohosey,

City could aim to get more commuters to use vehicle alternatives

It could be a very long time before the number of cyclists, pedestrians and transit users outnumber the people using a personal vehicle for their daily commute, but efforts may soon be made to cut vehicle use in the city.

By Stephanie Waddell on April 7, 2014

It could be a very long time before the number of cyclists, pedestrians and transit users outnumber the people using a personal vehicle for their daily commute, but efforts

may soon be made to cut vehicle use in the city.

Shannon Clohosey, the city's sustainability manager, brought forward the proposed Transportation Demand Management Plan to council last Monday evening.

As Clohosey told council, this plan comes out of the 2011 Parking Management Plan, which recommended finding ways to reduce the demand for parking downtown.

"As a result, the city retained Boulevard Transportation Group to develop a Transportation Demand Management Plan to recommend policies, programs and practices to change travel behavior and promote sustainable travel options,” she said.

Over the next 25 years, should the plan work as it's envisioned, there would be a 25 per cent reduction in the number of people driving their own vehicles into the city, dropping from 75 per cent of the traffic to 50 per cent.

Other methods of travelling would increase, with transit seeing the biggest gain, going from five per cent to 15 per cent.

Cycling would also rise dramatically from its current seven per cent to making up 15 per cent of traffic, while vehicle-pooling would see a hike from eight per cent to 12 per cent. Walking would increase just three per cent to make up six per cent of traffic.

"With an estimated 15,000 new residents in Whitehorse during the same time period, achieving those targets will avoid the requirements to make significant additional investment in road infrastructure and parking, as well as displace greenhouse gas emissions from future drivers,” Clohosey said.

"Five-year incremental targets show that there is a slow progression toward the final target, and a monitoring plan allows the city to track progress.”

The recommendations, Clohosey said, tie in the work of a number of city departments and address Whitehorse factors that play into transportation decisions residents make.

"The uniqueness of this location and culture was a focal point in the development of this plan and is highlighted in the recommendations,” she said.

"For instance, while the winter cycling community is strong and active, not everyone will choose to bike in the winter. For this – and other – reasons, transit is a strong focus point in this plan. Transit is an excellent asset to the city, and the (plan) aims to highlight that asset and increase ridership.”

She acknowledged the plan is primarily focused in the more urban areas of the city which has transit service and "a reasonable commute distance on a bicycle or walking.

"In the future, greater attention may be paid to providing sustainable travel options to country residential neighbourhoods,” she said.

If council adopts the plan, Clohosey noted, implementation would begin with education and awareness campaigns, with infrastructure upgrades, policy changes and consideration on designs to come forward through budgeting processes in future years.

Coun. John Streicker was the first to voice his support for the plan.

"I hope this is a starting point,” he said, adding his hope of the "avoided costs” that will come from not having to continually upgrade roads as the plan is implemented.

Coun. Dave Stockdale wondered aloud how far the city is from a day when vehicles are permitted on the road on certain days depending on their licence plates.

Clohosey said that 25 years down the road, she's hopeful more people will be choosing to walk, bike or take the bus.

It's a challenge not lost on Coun. Kirk Cameron, who pointed out: "A lot of us enjoy our cars.”

Moving to other methods of transportation, he said, would require a dramatic shift in attitude for many.

Clohosey emphasized the city will continue to evaluate how the plan is working as it moves ahead.

Despite his concerns that there needs to be a major change in attitude, Cameron described the plan as "a great step forward for us.”

Similarly, Coun. Betty Irwin agreed it's a good plan, suggesting it will help change commuting habits.

She suggested one minor alteration: adding more shelters to city bus stops, which could be potentially funded from funds like Building Canada, could make a big difference.

Mayor Dan Curtis was quick to note too that change is already starting, with a number of residents choosing more active modes of transportation for their daily commute. He noted the work of previous city councils and staff in getting to this point.

Council will vote this evening on whether to adopt the plan.

Comments (80)

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Brice Carruthers on Apr 17, 2014 at 1:17 am

Clearly, nobody here watches The Simpsons. Lyle's comment was not a serious suggestion about a monorail, as some of the people here took it. It was a joke in reference to the twelfth episode of The Simpsons' fourth season that originally aired on January 14, 1993. I knew there were a lot of dense people in this town, but when I read so many people taking a monorail suggestion seriously, it really makes me laugh. You guys have all be punked!

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Paul Christensen on Apr 16, 2014 at 9:59 am

Brice C

I think you are reading too much into this. Investing in alternate commuting options is not taking peoples cars away from them.

And unless I am missing something, I think that options are exactly what the CoW is aiming at. Investing in further vehicle infrastructure in the downtown core would be tough to do, given that things are pretty much maxed out as it is. As others have rightly pointed out, the downtown core, or "Old Town" as some seem bent on calling it, is poorly laid out for vehicles use. There will come a time when a maximum vehicle density will be reached, so planning for this would seem to be the wise course of action. Why increase vehicle traffic to the downtown core when the parking situation is poor at best currently. It's not an easy situation to plan for, and it calls for some creative thinking, hence providing options for commuters. City's like Calgary offer commuter parking at C train depots, allowing for commuters to take mass transit to the downtown core. Maybe this is something to be explored; where commuters from country res could park at the tops of the escarpments and be able to take a more timely, efficient bus system to the downtown core.

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sandy helland on Apr 16, 2014 at 8:14 am

For many parents, driving their kids to school in the morning is the only "quality time" together.

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Yukoner73 on Apr 15, 2014 at 3:37 pm

Wow. 73...I mean 74 comments. What an impassioned lot!

I need the exercise, so I'll ride my bike to work in the summer. I will stay out of traffic, obey stop signs and walk my bike across streets where I have to. I will wear my helmet. I won't ride on the sidewalks. I will enjoy the crisp air in the morning and the sense of accomplishment as I don't have a stroke on my way to work.

If I have errands, I'll drive my truck. If the weather sucks, I'll drive my truck. If I don't feel like biking, I'll drive my truck.

But I'll be damned if I will do either of these things because I'm told to.

Untwist your knickers...all of you...and breathe.

Do what whatever blows your hair back, but don't be an a-hole about it.

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north_of_60 on Apr 15, 2014 at 1:58 pm

Stop "sustainability studies" and "what-if" projects until all our roads are fixed and left turn signals at congestion points are installed.

Do important things first.

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Josey Wales on Apr 15, 2014 at 1:45 pm

Atom...CJ...& SMW, thanks for the breath of fresh air...was starting to stink like the GTO.

Lyle, clearly the head shops in town have been busy eh? Seems like a few folks have broken sarcasm meters upon reading your post so they run with it and start "hashing out" potential sites...like for real even, man can you believe that?

IMHO I feel things as this are part of a far bigger problem facing the west, as in North America...care to read my concerns?

OK I'll spew anyway...there is a gradual creep (Boiling Frogs) on our wee freedoms from what is really wee to not so wee. By whom? Political blowholes and chair-warmers whom feel the need to legislate us to death...regulate us to death...fine us till broke with non compliance fees...in every aspect of our life REGARDLESS of how you may live it...they are there undermining your attempts at individuality...programing you...as another pointed out, social engineering our lives.

Why we tolerate this crap is beyond me.

I know why I think, collectively we are a bunch of suck holes who piss and moan with that being the end of it. When in fact it's just the mere beginning. Rattle a few cages...I do... so too can you!

If we all refused...I mean if all of us refuse to pay property taxes till the nobles even try to pull their head outta their ass even a wee bit for some clean mountain air they may get a message to heed.

Look at our southern folks in the US of Eh, a real s--it-storm brewing there...the land of the "free"?

Why? Because for decades they have been acting as Canadians...to distracted or polite to really care... till they come for your cows, yup I said it cows....Cliven Bundy Google it.

Thanks for reading, up down no matter it's all dialog....kinda the point of these things no?

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Not in a hurry on Apr 15, 2014 at 11:13 am

Heated shelters? Maybe with a couch and carpet???

That's a real waste of money! We had shelters up at Hamilton Blvd./CGC.

Why are they are not there anymore: Because it's a good target for vandalism.

Look at the shelters along 2nd Ave./Quartz Road: Every couple months they have to replace schedules, glass walls and even benches get smashed.

That will be a bottomless money pit - considering that only a normal shelter costs more than a few thousand dollars!

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Lifetime Yukoner on Apr 15, 2014 at 8:04 am

Sandy Helland,

Good point on the transportation to and from a monorail station. If they are strategically located (maybe with parkades on site) personal vehicles could be used or bicycles or walking... Or then they could create a focused bus systems for use from transportation hubs to other locations. On that note I think heated bus stops are a no brainer considering our winters are harsh, I can't believe nothing like that has been attempted here yet.

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SMW on Apr 15, 2014 at 5:59 am

Has anybody taken in to concern about how the hell parents would get off work and try to get their kids from various after school programs and daycare that are never within the same area, they are almost always on the opposite sides on the city. How is a working parent suppose to get to all of these places before 5 or 5:30 if we had to jump bus to bus or bike or walk in the span of 30 to 60 min depending on where your child is attending and depending if you get off work at 4:30 or 5. As of right now (driving a car) I can barely get to my 2 destinations in the 30 min that I have to pick up my children after work. This will become an impossibility unless daycare and after school programs hold your kids for you till about 6 every night. Let's not talk about if you have a kid that starts puking at school or daycare. Would love to see the parent walking, biking or riding a bus (wait you wouldn't be able to do that because the child is a public health concern) to get your child home. Or if your child is hurt at school, you would have to tell the school that you will be there as soon as you can catch a bus. I see social services liking this case.

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CJ on Apr 15, 2014 at 4:57 am

As Brent Slobodin says, people have a lot of toys up here, and while I'm not as daring as him to say there's a "non-existent" transportation problem, it's not a huge one, when you compare it to cities down south. As for the projected "15,000" additional people, please. Populations do indeed go down, as well as up.

I wonder a lot why these passionate people don't share their expertise in those cities, get down in the trenches so to speak, and deal with what seems to be a real intractable problem.

Sometimes I answer myself that we're easy pickings. Look at the abuse that's (surprisingly) ladled out here to those of us who have a history up here (we'll have to move away? Really?). How far would that get them in Mississauga or New Westminster, or anyplace where the majority of the population isn't employed by the government and so free to speak their minds publicly?

It would take a much more nuanced, holistic approach than they've had to practice so far. The fact is, if the sustainability coordinator can convince the City of Whitehorse there's fees to be had here in shaming people who drive cars, the road might be pretty smooth for

her. Which explains my skepticism, Paul Christensen, if not everyone's.

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Atom on Apr 15, 2014 at 4:43 am

Get over yourselves folks....Whitehorse is a little town and always will be....an abattoir in the south emits more methane than all of the Yukon combined....go shoot a moose/bison and stop supporting abattoirs. If you require innovation in transportation move to Europe, unburden your guilt and get out of the way.

Then the Yukon would be a better place.

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Wayne on Apr 15, 2014 at 3:29 am

Nothing is going to change. Relax.

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Sandy Helland on Apr 15, 2014 at 1:44 am

Dear Lifetime Yukoner,

A monorail certainly makes sense, but how do people get around Whitehorse after stepping off the monorail?

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NorthernMike on Apr 14, 2014 at 3:20 pm

To Mr.Brice Carruthers, if anyone is smug it may be you. You may think you have human nature figured out, but I would argue you only know a very limited part of human nature within a specific culture.

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Brent Slobodin on Apr 14, 2014 at 7:52 am

Dear DG:

I totally agree with you about Calgary. I grew up in S. Alberta and always thought of Calgary as lacking in soul.

I'm not sure why you think I only think about myself. I'm just not naive enough to think that buses and bikes will solve our actual non-existent transportation problem and our minuscule imprint carbon wise. Whitehorse is spread out all over the place. Buses have been tried with the rural subdivisions and didn't work. Bikes aren't even worth mentioning. Monorail is a joke. If you can't afford to build between Calgary and Edmonton then who do we think will try anything up here.Kirk Cameron is right: we love our cars. Drive up to Copper Ridge. The garages are all stuffed with junk so the car(s) and truck(s) and fifth wheel and snowmobiles and ATVs spill out on the driveway and into the streets. Buses, bikes, walking, horses, carriages won't change that.

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Lifetime Yukoner on Apr 14, 2014 at 2:26 am

@ Sandy Helland

I think having taxpayers billed heavily for the bus system to be free for use is an unfair distribution of costs considering the bus system does not provide service to half of the residences in Whitehorse as they live in country residential. Why should all taxpayers pay for a service not everyone is able to conveniently use?

The truth of the matter is Whitehorse residents are spread out pretty far as most of us prefer to live in country residential and enjoy the wilderness. I honestly think the only type of transit that would actually be useable for everyone would be a monorail system. Not to mention the potential to extend such a system from Whitehorse to the communities.

Think about it. Haines Junction no longer has a grocery store (people have to drive to Whitehorse for most of their shopping). If you had a monorail system you could connect Haines Junction to Whitehorse and it would be a quick fast commute rather than an inconvenient drive to get groceries. You could even connect Dawson City, rather than a 5 hour drive you could take a shorter monorail ride. The tourism benefits on top of it would be substantial and you could easily connect all surrounding communities which would cut down on traffic drastically. It would be expensive but if you charge $5 or $10 for a daypass I bet a lot of people would use this option as it would be quick with minimal stops.

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China State on Apr 14, 2014 at 2:15 am

What is required is a more forceful campaign by the city. Encourage, reward then force and punish people who will not comply. We pay for public transportation - its time to make it work for residents for everyones benefit.

In Beijing, there is so much pollution that draconian measures cannot slow it down. Some cities restrict car usage by controlling the number on the road on a daily basis. Lets look at fraconian options.

People in this town are not sheep - they are more like lone wolves and ignore signage, the law, and they are not respectful of their neighbours and the environment. It's time to step it up and create positive change.

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Brice Carruthers on Apr 14, 2014 at 1:47 am

One would think these greenies would be pushing for us to use more gasoline and use it as quick as possible, so we run out fast. Necessity is the mother of invention and desperate times will call for desperate measures. We used to rely on whale oil until we started hunting off all the whales, and then we started using fossil fuels. Once we run out of fossil fuel based hydrocarbons, then humanity will invent something else. The Germans made synthetic fuel when they lost their oil supplies during World War 2. I am astounded at how some people on the left continue to neglect the nature of human behaviour and the power of human ingenuity.

@ Paul Christensen I did read the article and two parts stand out "efforts may soon be made to cut vehicle use in the city” and ""With an estimated 15,000 new residents in Whitehorse during the same time period, achieving those targets will avoid the requirements to make significant additional investment in road infrastructure and parking, as well as displace greenhouse gas emissions from future drivers”. So, no, it is NOT about "options”. It is about an active campaign to get us to stop using our automobiles. They will take my steering wheel from my cold dead hands.

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Sandy Helland on Apr 13, 2014 at 11:27 pm

A friend of mine said:

Make the bus free, bill taxpayers heavily for this service. It's paid for, may as well use it. That will increase ridership. A bus on Sundays too. A city needs 7-day bus service. City's do not take Sundays off.

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noel emson on Apr 13, 2014 at 1:32 pm

I know, take away city employees parking spaces, then give them bus passes instead. They are both taxable benefits, so let them be the guinea pigs..... That includes our esteemed counselors. Sauce for the goose and all

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Riverdale Resident on Apr 13, 2014 at 12:59 pm

I think the bridge into Riverdale should have another traffic lane; 2 of 3 used for the morning traffic into town then 2 used for the afternoon back to Riverdale. This will not be cheap but it's needed.

The bridge should also have an add on on the east side for the trolley and a single lane on the same side for bikes. To keep ATVs off the Millennium Trail these vehicles should be allowed to use the traffic portions of the bridge and then along the road to the Miles Canyon Road.

If there is federal infrastructure funding in the future the City should go for another two lane bridge. There are not many potential locations, perhaps near the hospital which would then make the roundabout effective.

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north_of_60 on Apr 13, 2014 at 4:25 am

There is a railbus parked in the trolly shed. The city has track that could extend across the middle of the bridge into Riverdale if the roadway was widened to the edge and the pedestrian/bike walkways suspended off the sides.

There are simple solutions to most of our problems, and they don't require expensive studies by un-qualified southern 'experts'. Remember that relying on the advice of outside 'experts' instead of local engineers created the Whistle Bend fiasco.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

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DG on Apr 13, 2014 at 4:02 am

In response to Brent Slobodin,

Yes I have been to Europe, many times. And yes, many European cities such as London are "crammed" with cars, but then again, there is 15 million people living there. The ratio of people to cars is quite small compared to North America.

Look at the two extremes of where Whitehorse could be headed. On one hand we have a city like Oslo, Norway, where hardly anyone drives. Partially due because cars are heavily taxed there, and partially due to the fact that the streets are very small and inconvenient to drive on. Then again they do have the most extensive transit systems in the world, making it very easy to move around. Cycling is also very popular in the summer. Oslo is a very pleasant city to be.

On the other hand we have a city like Calgary. There are huge streets and highways sprawled out everywhere. There are cars and trucks everywhere, it's not a very friendly atmosphere to be in. I find it a very ugly city. It also produces more carbon dioxide per person than New York and Mexico City.

Which city would you rather Whitehorse be more like? Because the population of Whitehorse is only going to go up and at some point we will have to make a decision. It might not be as dramatic as the examples given but you get the idea. Try not to think only about yourself. Think about others around you and about the future generations to come. And yes, I have been to both Calgary and Oslo.

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NorthernMike on Apr 12, 2014 at 6:55 pm

Tough crown indeed. Not sure if I should laugh or cry at the majority of the responses on here - are some of you being ironic?

Take a step back and think as to why the majority of you live in the Yukon in the first place - surrounded by a relatively intact beautiful ecosystem. Take another step back and think about the fact that climate change is indeed real. Take another step back and think about a generation beyond your own. Yes, to you most I sound like a left wing wing nut, but really can the majority who have commented make the effort to think beyond yourselves? At the very least, how can you balk at a civic government that is attempting to show some leadership on a problem that most other governments seem to be putting their head in the sand and continue on with their "drill baby drill" attitude.

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Stu Winter on Apr 12, 2014 at 4:16 am

I was not born here but have been here awhile.

Its time for change, simple as that. We need to promote sustainability and commuting that does not pollute and reduces congestion on our roads and streets.

Its time for more people to drive fuel efficient vehicles and reduce the number of toys powered by gas. It's our future and our legacy and timely to adopt change.

People unwilling to change should move along, the new arrivals understand the way it should be. Backpacks and bikes with wide tires are good for this town. The city is creating safe trails and access for them across the Robert Service Bridge which is spot on. They forgot to add a trolley crossing on the bridge which would help Riverdale congestion immensely.

People unwilling to bike or walk or change generally are unfit and unhealthy. The new guard is here, if people cannot adopt sustainability they need to consider moving south. We need seniors homes and health facilities for people who have aged well, and not for smokers and people with a poor driving diet; unhealthy people are best served by southern facilities which have more medical specialists.

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north_of_60 on Apr 11, 2014 at 1:43 pm

Widening the Riverdale bridge for bike users is a ridiculous waste of tax dollars. Be sensible, widen the existing roadway made for motor vehicles to three lanes, and hang walkways off the sides for bikes and pedestrians. Two lanes into town in the morning; two lanes into Riverdale in the afternoon. We've likely got local engineers who can design it and local contractors who can build it.

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north_of_60 on Apr 11, 2014 at 1:35 pm

@ Paul Christensen is correct. More options for transportation and parking in the city core is a good idea.

However, the tens of thousands of dollars spent on 'studies' by southern experts, could have been much more usefully spent on a committee of citizens like Paul Christensen and Brice Carruthers. People born here know a lot more about Whitehorse than any group of outside experts. Why wouldn't a sustainability manager think of those options instead of sending more of our money outside for another 'study'?

Perhaps the job description of that position should be re-evaluated. Is it a good expenditure of our limited resources when serious traffic and road condition problems are not getting adequate attention because of budget constraints?

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Wayne on Apr 11, 2014 at 8:19 am

Sustainability Manager? No wonder taxes are

out of control. The sustainability manager

should cut her position in order to make

the city more sustainable.

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Brent Slobodin on Apr 11, 2014 at 8:11 am

In response to DG, I take it that you haven't really been to Europe. European cities are crammed with cars. London, for example, has had to resort to exorbitant parking fines just to try and keep some cars at home. As for towns, sure you can walk everywhere. The towns are tiny in size and people live on top of each other. Were Canadians. We like our space. And our cars. Or cars and trucks. Or two cars and a truck...

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Paul Christensen on Apr 11, 2014 at 7:35 am

After reading comments like those from Brice Carruthers, I wonder if they are reading the same article I am?

What is the big issue with the city trying to give people more OPTIONS for transport? They aren't taking away your vehicles, they are simply planning to increase options for commuters. Maybe there are many people commuting now by car, who, with more accessible bike trails, would consider using them in lieu of motor vehicles.

The downtown core is a gong show right now, and with more residents, it will only get worse. This, to me anyway, appears to be good planning.

Not doing anything because people like Brice Carruthers think alternate commuting strategies are some sort of leftist conspiracy is the only action that's asinine.

Before jumping on the City bashing/bike bashing bandwagon, READ the article.

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Miles Thompson on Apr 11, 2014 at 4:00 am

I support the bike commuters and the City's plans.

I do not like all the big trucks and Whitehorse drivers generally- the aggressiveness and the sense of entitlement.

It's changed here big time. Fast and aggressive drivers, vehicles which are too fancy- gas guzzlers. It's time to try and slow it down, promote sustainabilty, change driving habits and get more people onto their feet or on bikes. In the long run it promotes sustainabilty, people's health and it reduces health care costs.

If the anti-bike people knew they could get another ten years added onto their life span if they biked and walked more they may reconsider the City's sustainability plans.

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DG on Apr 11, 2014 at 3:16 am

I think this is a great step forward. I'm amazed at all the negative comments I've read here. North Americans are brought up to be so dependant on their cars it's ridiculous. In Europe there are much fewer cars on the roads per person and the towns are much more enjoyable because of it. I think the city needs to make Whitehorse much more bike friendly. I don't think we should expand the roads and parking lots, that only encourages people to drive their car around more. Local businesses won't suffer because of it, people will spend their money just the same as they always have, it's not like they will stay shut up in their houses and starve to death...Whitehorse is suppose to be "the wilderness city", let's make it more that way.

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north_of_60 on Apr 11, 2014 at 3:13 am

The budget for spending our gas tax rebates should be posted for public review and scrutiny at the CoW website. One wonders how much of the gas tax rebate is used as a slush-fund for the latest eco-nut project, somehow justified by 'sustainability'? Is the useless position of 'sustainability manager' paid for by our gas tax rebates?

What is Mayor and Council trying to hide by not making the gas tax rebate budget public?

Why isn't the Star doing some good old-fashioned investigative reporting on how our hard-earned tax money is spent, instead of apparently pandering to the 'sustainability' scam?

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TNJ on Apr 11, 2014 at 12:25 am

What a fabulous step forward! Obviously there are some limitations and issues with implementing it, first and foremost the seeming civil distaste. But I for one would love to see a change in the way transit and personal vehicles are handled in Whitehorse!

Certainly less drunk drivers with less personal vehicles on the road, that's a plus.

As long as there are real solutions to issues like the cold and getting kids to school.

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Not in a hurry on Apr 10, 2014 at 3:56 pm

@ north_of_60 (last comment): I totally agree!

But: Is sustainability the new magic word? Is every project, every expense, everything what the city does now explained with sustainability?

How about using more common sense, trying not to be little Vancouver and cutting back with unnecessary expenses like half a million dollar Hillcrest trail, a inefficient transit system with very long and weird routes (which has most of the ridership between 7 and 9 am and 4 and 6 pm) and a bridge widening for 1.58 million which is a very generous gift for bike users!

Oh - sure, it's all about sustainability...

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Northone on Apr 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm

@Mike Pearson - ATVs and any other inanimate objects do not "colonize" anything.

The only colonists we have in the Yukon are people who have moved here thinking the Yukon is some sort of utopian disneyland - once they realize that we live on a working, human landscape, these people become angry that the Yukon was not what they thought it should be.

These people - colonists, actually, then look upon the the local people and culture with disdain and try to impose their will on us; we Yukoners will have none of this colonization - we will live as we want to and woe to the politician who thinks they can convince us otherwise.

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Fredia on Apr 10, 2014 at 8:45 am

I haven't read all the comments but I'll add my two bits worth. I try to only take my car when I need to.

I walk a lot when I can and I can only walk when the sidewalks are clear of ice and snow. Suffice to say this isn't often.



Understandable that some residential sidewalks can't be shoveled everyday but the main ones like Lewes Blvd and Alsek are just not maintained. It makes foot travel super dangerous when the ice builds up or it's just downright painful to be trudging through deep snow.

Now that spring has sprung the walks are just becoming safe now. Up until now they were so slippery you had to hoof it on the roads, facing traffic and a lot of the drivers play this game of hit and miss just to see how close they can come to air brushing you without actually running you over.

I bike in the summer and keep off the main streets because the Millennium Trail takes me where I want to go. The problem here is the dogs. I have yet to walk or bike that trail and not see unleashed dogs. I can not tell you how many times I have rounded a corner and have a dog run in front of me. Luckily I have managed to stop and not cartwheel into the Yukon River.

I try to do my bit but the City isn't making it easy.

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Sandy Helland on Apr 10, 2014 at 8:19 am

North_of_60,

As you say, "The river flowing by creates an illusion of moving forward, but it's a myth." (April 9)

The annual rubber duck river race scoots along the river surface using the river's current. There is some speed with that.

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Brice Carruthers on Apr 10, 2014 at 5:00 am

One thing is certain. The smugness and elitism of the few defenders of this preposterous plan ooze through on this message board. In their world, only the so-called "enlightened ones” are civilized enough to ride bicycles. I can't help but laugh at the upside down logic in their thinking. I guess they must think that the Amish are the most enlightened people on the planet? I have no use for such people with opinions as demonstrated in the comments of Outdoor Enthusiast, Frank, BnR, James and Mike Pearson. Folks who advocate for more bicycle usage are the reason Whitehorse is becoming less sustainable and not more sustainable – sustainable from a financial perspective that is. Extra wide roads for bicycle lanes cost 1.5 times normal roads. The City wants to spend $3 million to widen the Robert Campbell Bridge to Riverdale for bikes, but not for cars. All this additional expense in terms of capital costs and O & M costs to accommodate 5% of the population that uses bicycles to commute. Whoever is taking the City in this direction is like Don Quixote trying to chase windmills. This asinine City management needs to stop! A quick review of the political affiliations of our City Administration will reveal that we are all pawns in a politically motivated experiment in social engineering. Enough is enough.

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Jack on Apr 10, 2014 at 4:29 am

clean air....Its a limited resource and we cant live without.....so that is the whole idea behind trying to reduce the traffic and the number of god awful trucks and cars on the road. And it is already happening. Look at the density increase in the downtown area. Look at the number of cyclists on the road and the number of maintained trails there are compared to 10 years ago. If you all love your cars too much to sacrifice anything or envision any kind of positive change then see you on the battle lines. Inequality people, it costs us all more in the long run. On a side note, cheers to all those people with a little compassion in their hearts who pick up hitchhikers and don't try to drown cyclists with their exhaust. To all those who want to live way out of town to be in nature, but don't way to sacrifice anything to make things more efficient in order preserve nature for future generations.......you are all hypocrites.

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I Heart Cycling on Apr 10, 2014 at 3:48 am

So much cynicism about biking and transit in these comments!

I want to bring up something that I feel isn't getting enough attention in the discussion going on: this is a LONG-TERM plan. As in, there are other relevant factors that will change as this plan is implemented.

Some that come to mind:

1) Rising fuel costs. The price of oil isn't going to go down anytime soon, and will likely continue to rise as global demand increases and global supplies decrease. For this reason, although it may still feel realistic for a lot of folks to keep driving whatever and whenever now, that might not always be the case. Having transit as an option for at least some of one's travel needs might become a lot more appealing when every trip means another $5-10 into the tank.

2) Climate change. Might mean that winter gets shorter, meaning that there is that much more attractive biking/walking/transit-ing weather throughout the year. Might also lead to the above-mentioned rising costs of fuel, if extreme weather events disrupt oil supply flows.

3) Changing generations. Recent studies show that millenials are buying vehicles considerably less than previous generations. I imagine that the necessity of driving in Whitehorse due to the current transit situation and geographic spread of the city means that there are more young people in the Yukon with cars than in a lot of other places, but that's not fixed in stone for future generations. Especially if transit is made friendlier to people before they have a drivers license, there will be more incentive to continue to use transit even when driving becomes an option.

I think it's also important to think about how different travel methods can be integrated. Obviously transit isn't ideal for people with several children and bags of groceries who need to do like 3 different errands on the way home. But that's not the case for every trip, so in some cases biking and transit might make more sense. Also, things like having bike racks on the buses (which is already the case) so folks who wanna bike down the hill in the morning can do that and have the option of an easier trip home.

Also: I really encourage everyone to try biking in the winter if they've never done it! Once it gets to -20 or so it can be pretty miserable, but I personally find it extremely exhilarating! When you're biking in the winter, it warms you up probably 5-10 degrees - which can be faster and warmer than some old vehicles, at certain temperatures! All it takes is the right equipment and it can make for an excellent coffee-wake-up-replacement!

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Mike Pearson on Apr 10, 2014 at 3:18 am

It's a tough crowd based upon the comments posted here. Too much resistance for Shannon Clohosey, the city's sustainability manager, to move forward with a well intended sustainability plan.

Our culture will not support it! Look at all the big trucks and toys. If people walk and save money it will go into gas for their big trucks and ATVs and skidoos. The city wants to support the oil and gas industry which is why trails are being developed within the city for toys which use gas.



If you value wilderness you have to get away from town and areas where ATVS etc have not colonized. The city wants to promote an egalitarian society where they promote sustainability while also promoting the use of gas powered toys.

I do not blame long term Yukoners or new people, I blame the city for not having a vision. It's a tough crowd for Shannon Clohosey.

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north_of_60 on Apr 9, 2014 at 12:52 pm

Sustainability for CoW and the Yukon is predominantly determined by the amount of money we receive from the Government of Canada in all forms, not just transfer payments, gas tax rebates, and personal benefit checks. Most of that "Yukon" money is government revenue from Alberta and the petroleum industry.

That's the elephant in the room which many people pretend to ignore, while they re-arrange deck chairs on the SS Klondike and talk of 'sustainability issues'. The river flowing by creates an illusion of moving forward, but it's a myth.

World Metal Prices and Mining is a distant 2nd influence on sustainability. Tourism is a far distant 3rd.

We don't need frivolous expenditures for high priced studies from southern 'experts' to tell us what makes the Yukon and therefore Whitehorse sustainable.

What we do need is roads fixed, left turn signals installed at congestion points, and upgrades to improve traffic flow and reduce idling. We need improvements to our sewer and water systems to find and fix numerous leaks. We need a transit service that fits our needs, not one designed by some southern 'expertise' we paid for in a 'study'.

We need more attention to the basic job of running CoW efficiently and effectively, within a budget.

Stop spending our gas tax rebates on frivolous feel-good 'sustainability issues', and useless expensive studies that state the obvious. Use that money for what it was intended: to reduce our waste of non-renewable petroleum fuels, and to use them more efficiently so we pollute less.

If we hired people who don't have the knowledge and experience to do that job for Whitehorse, then hire people who can get things done, not just manage more studies and ask for more taxpayer money.

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Sandy Helland on Apr 9, 2014 at 10:10 am

Souped-up golf carts to look like Hummers, Jaguars, convertibles, pick up trucks is one way to cut down speed, but it's a whole new plastic bodyjob industry making plastic replicas.

Everyone has their car. Cheap. Safe. Quiet. Small on parking. Minimal road damage. No emissions. Max speed 50. Solar-charged.

Making the vehicles smaller gets MORE people out and about because you can get around quicker in a smaller car,

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Sandy Helland on Apr 9, 2014 at 9:15 am

Not in wintertime, the trolley doesn't run.

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Country Residential Commuter on Apr 9, 2014 at 8:22 am

@BnR - I think your comment is incredibly foolish. Do you not realize that probably half the population live way out of town in country residential and even with a car of their own can have a commute of 1/2 an hour to an hour or more (depending on how far out they live). I'm sure people who reside out at Jakes Corner would just love to get up at 2 am in the morning so they could ride their bike to work and maybe arrive on time. Or how about the people who live out in Hidden Valley, Lake Laberge, etc...

Please think about the real situation of the majority of commuters and then re-read your comment where you call them all "lazy". I'm sure your a really nice person but your comment made you sound rather smug.

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Anonymous on Apr 9, 2014 at 8:11 am

There are many more options that would be better solutions that what is being proposed:

1. Centralized parking centre (I like the airport location idea someone mentioned) with frequent transit departure/arrival times to various locations.

2. If you want to increase pedestrians in the downtown core I would love to see pedestrian overpasses (this is more so for pedestrian safety as it is obvious flashing lights and other vehicles stopping aren't 100% effective in this town).

3. monorail (I know it would be costly and we are a small town but the expansion capabilities for future would be very beneficial) not to mention if you had a transportation hub located at the Carcross cutoff and another at near hidden valley school (each with a parking centre) you would cut down significantly on commuters coming in from country residential with an efficient (not to mention fast) transit option located near the two country residential elementary schools. So parents who commute from downtown would easily be able to meet their children after school. Other smaller hubs could be put at closer commute locations (like one at Bigway and one at Super A PC and Super A Riverdale). Then you could establish a downtown core transportation hub (that could double as a parking garage for people who drive to work as the parking in this town is a joke) and you would solve all problems. Want to bike around town, you could easily fit a bicycle on a monorail.

Way to waste our tax dollars on a useless assessment that suggested absolutely nothing! You could have consulted the public for ideas and we could have easily come up with much better ideas a no cost.

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Nightmare on Front errr First errr Front on Apr 9, 2014 at 8:10 am

BNR...do you not see a problem with the idea of saving fuel for a car, which is a necessity in COW, only to burn it in a snowmobile and jet boat, which is not a necessity?

Central Park...The idea of everyone driving to a parkade at the airport makes absolutely no sense, unless you have been standing too close to the glue. Hmm. Let's have everyone drive 2 or 3 times the distance to get into town, not to mention shopping, dining, banking etc.

So, let's not fool our eco-selves. It is cold in Yukon. Residential neighbourhoods, save Riverdale, are distant to downtown, where most of us work. Retailers and businesses require constant traffic flow to earn revenue and employ people.

How about COW save itself a few million dollars per year and get rid of the transit system, which has an extremely low ridership.

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James on Apr 9, 2014 at 7:18 am

One potential solution is to give city tax rebates to people who purchase or use electric vehicles including cars, scooters, bikes etc for commuting.

It's too much to ask for most people to walk or bike daily but if they have a pedal assist vehicle or total electric vehicles it would be helpful with respect to Greenhouse Gas Emissions, and the quality of the driving or biking experience.

I like the trolley expansion idea as well. Many people will not buy into change and they cannot be forced to do so, but enlightened people should be rewarded.

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CJ on Apr 9, 2014 at 6:16 am

@BnR You don't do your point of view any favours by being so belligerent. I said earlier, as Kirk Cameron did, that we like our cars. Rather than judging that, it's worth looking at how to make alternative transportation more appealing, instead of using the ever-reliable shaming strategy.

Leaving sanctimonious cyclists aside, I really think the city forgets there's a difference between the population numbers they project and the ones that exist, and that means a difference in the quality of alternative transportation they can offer.

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Brice Carruthers on Apr 9, 2014 at 5:34 am

BnR, good for you! You love your bike and I love my car. Can we just leave it at that? Why do you leftie eco-warrior hipsters have to shove your way of life down my throat in such a smug and sanctimonious manner? Even if I have to wait in my car while you cruise by in your bike sometimes, I still prefer it. I get to stay warm and listen to the radio. You want to put on five layers of clothes and ride some bike in 40 below, well then good on you! But that's for you. Not me!

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Centeral parking center on Apr 9, 2014 at 2:48 am

Develop a central parkade at the airport so it could be used by the travelers and have it as transportation hub for Whitehorse area. This would means transit buses could all travel out from there. In the winter months you would not have to walk through snow and be more economical. Cost benefit would be much more effective. Use a 3P type of development. Public Private Partnerships so the city would not have to foot the cost and reduce risk.

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BnR on Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 pm

There are so many ridiculous comments here that it would be pointless to address them all, and seeing as they are getting lots of likes, it appears this is the status quo.

The gist of it is summed up with one comment "we love our cars".

And that right there speaks volumes. I would go so far as to say we are addicted to our cars, which also say we are lazy.

I would hazard a guess that many of the "we love our cars" people are also the same ones cursing and whining during our rush minute, or seeing a cyclist on "our" roads.

"The city is poorly designed". Really. Who would have thought that a city core laid out during the Gold Rush would not be properly designed to accommodate our lazy butts?

Name a city in Canada that IS properly designed?

This is the problem the C of W is trying to deal with, but given the love affair many people have with their cars, all I can say is good luck.

In the meantime, I'll be bike commuting all year, I'll be the one smiling as you are all stuck in traffic, loving your cars.

One of the benefits of not running a vehicle for commuting is all the money I save can go towards running my snowmobiles and jet boat. So there.

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I Like to Bike on Apr 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm

Meanwhile, the Yukon government is building a quarter-million dollar running track. I'd rather walk to work than run around a rubber track for my exercise.

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Josey Wales on Apr 8, 2014 at 11:40 am

Hey Lyle, I've suggested that in the past...for the elites out in Marsh Lk. to shuttle them to their office chairs within the machine.

It gave me a chuckle through your post.

Since we are now a new hipper "Whitehorse" thanks to our latest migration from out east, we cannot merely build "any" monorail though.

Now to be completely inclusive we'd have to have a nut free coach, a vegan coach, yes of course a cultural elitist coach, same sex coach...maybe even gender specific separate for all three we now have I'm certain, a global village coach where no non organic scents will be tolerated.

Yes not to exclude the regular folks, all others...especially meat eaters and folks whom embrace carbon footprints by living in the 21st century...yes of course we can have a flatcar with safety rails and ropes to hang onto...if even by the last thread of it...

...just like the ability to think for ourselves and enjoy the freedoms we once took for granted seems to ALSO be hanging on by a thread...clearly, as we let this happen..."the nanny state overlords"

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seriously.... on Apr 8, 2014 at 5:12 am

As it is right now, where I live it takes me about 5 minutes to drive to work. I could probably walk it in 20 (but wouldn't want to risk my life because drivers are so careless and pedestrians do not get the right of way in this place--I would have to cross Mountain View).

Or I could take the bus. Our lovely transit system. I could wait for the bus to pick me up (5 minutes), then take the bus downtown (10 minutes), then take the bus back up the hill to the college (10 minutes)...not to mention the wait time in between. Call me crazy but isn't a 4 minute drive much more worth my time (and the environment with my tiny car that uses very little fuel and little emissions) then the proposed? And where I do work, I require a car in case I have meetings downtown, for example.

Who are these people making these suggestions and can they go back to where they came from?

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Salar on Apr 8, 2014 at 4:53 am

Whitehorse used to be such a laid back place....and there were tons of inconveniences back in the day...like -40, mud in spring, black flies....now add southerners (thinking like southerners) and we have to put up with -40, bikes in the roadway, huge empty buses, mud and chemical spraying so we don't get bit by flies!

If you don't like the Yukon, move back south and come visit every few years to check on us. Could use your tourist dollars to offset the legacies.

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Always a Yukoner on Apr 8, 2014 at 4:48 am

Reading all those posts made me laugh!! Riding a bike in the winter months in Whitehorse, you might as well put a bullet to your head!! Although I do not live there anymore, I have driven in the winter, spring, summer and fall and it's crazy!!! Maybe the COW should start by car pooling the employee's to and from work!!

You can't dictate when people can drive or not!! Silly silly, glad the Yukoners tax dollars are wasted just like here in BC!!

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north_of_60 on Apr 8, 2014 at 4:13 am

Why does Whitehorse need a "sustainability manager" ? Has that position accomplished anything useful? Shouldn't that money be used to actually do something such as dealing "with the existing issues with traffic first".

Not surprising our Esteemed Councilor from Marsh Lake "was the first to voice his support for the plan". Doesn't he use a petro fueled vehicle for his daily long commute into town and back?

The CoW needs some serious bureaucratic 'house cleaning' to get rid of the "hipsters and eco-warriors".

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Love my car on Apr 8, 2014 at 3:20 am

No more studies or surveys about how to change the taxpayers lives.

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Frank on Apr 8, 2014 at 3:19 am

This is a good initiative and I hope people buy into it.

I think Shannon Clohosey is trying to do something very positive for our city. Over time people will buy into it if the trails are safe and attractive and if there is a sufficient support system.

If the trolly was run into Riverdale people could walk one way and take the trolley the other. The trolly could run to the Fishway area and provide access to the Millennium Trail which should remain non-motorized; if council is obtuse enough to allow skidoos and ATVs on this trail they will not be re-elected.

I live too far from town to commute but many areas like Riverdale are ideal and it could work very well. Some people will never commute by bike or walking but many others will if the environment for doing so is favourable. Commuters could be given free bus or trolley passes.

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Not in a hurry on Apr 8, 2014 at 2:01 am

The first and most important thing in downtown is: No bikes on 2nd Avenue anymore! It creates a lot of dangerous situations!

About the transit system: It should be reviewed again (schedules, shelters, routes,...)

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Brice Carruthers on Apr 8, 2014 at 1:11 am

I wish the City of Whitehorse would stop trying to be our nanny. Just leave us be! Part of the reason we moved here is the freedom, the wide open places, and the fact that things move here at a slower pace. We LOVE our vehicles. We love driving out to the wilderness on weekends or down to Haines for some fishing. This territory lost its way years ago. I remember when the City of Whitehorse administration used to fit in the City Hall building, and now it's a bloated bureaucracy rivaling Yukon Government. We need to stop hiring lefties, eco-warriors, and hipsters to run our city. Where are the common sense people ?!?!

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Joe Schmo on Apr 8, 2014 at 1:09 am

The transit system could increase by 33% if they could find three passengers instead of the two that usually accompany the bored out of their mind bus drivers.

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flyingfur on Apr 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm

Wonder how many COW employees use the bus?

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Better Idea on Apr 7, 2014 at 1:12 pm

The City of Whitehorse is trying to make things work better for its people with new ideas and plans but you have to offer a clear desire for change. It has to be done in away that is helpful to its community. David S suggestion of making cars travel every second day makes no sense. Transportation is always an issue. The City of Whitehorse is so spread out and very costly to provide services to.

The current transit service in Whitehorse is set up wrong and the route system does not work to invite people to use it. Did the City ask drivers what it would take for them to use the transit? Whitehorse cannot afford the transit it operates. Smaller buses, more frequent travel times during business hours especially morning and evening. We are a driving city that does not have a high population, that is spread out. Build a parkade at the top of two mile hill and put on buses that travel every ten minutes to any location in down town. Have buses that travel in the down town area and business park area.

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Becca on Apr 7, 2014 at 12:32 pm

I see no reason why the city can build an entire subdivision that is barely sold, but can't build something akin to a parking garage. I for one am not willing to go back to trying to use the poorly designed bus system with my small child in freezing temperatures. (waiting half an hour or more with no shelter in -40c? no thank you!!) Trying to force everyone to use a transit system that already doesn't work is ridiculous! Really, anyone who is trying to transport a child is not going to be walking or biking in the middle of winter, and it doesn't address those people who come into town regularly from the communities, at all, yet they do.. and they need parking spots too.

Need space? Tearing down a scuzzy bar and scuzzy hotel worked for mah's point, and I think it would work for parking too.

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Lyle Lanley on Apr 7, 2014 at 11:14 am

Monorail!

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Loves Yukon on Apr 7, 2014 at 10:37 am

Please stop with the studies and deal with the existing issues with traffic first...it matters more! Add more left-turn lights at major intersections. Add more crosswalks with flashing over-head lights (ie: the bustop/crosswalk by Shipyards park across from fast food lane). Put more signs up on certain light standards to show drivers what direction they should travel in (painted lines fade and/or get covered with snow). Do more blitz's on how to drive...as sad as that sounds, many drivers stop suddenly in the merge lane. And whether it's lack of respect or not, the driver in the main lane often doesn't know how to let another driver in (or they forget there are merge lines painted and/or faded under the snow).

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Outdoor enthusiast on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:54 am

I disagree with most of these comments. While I usually drive to work and agree that it's often more convenient to drive, I agree that more can be done to promote cycling and other means of transportation.

I sometimes commute to work by walking, biking, or running, and the small hills I have to take to get home don't bother me one bit.

I am glad that the city is working on this and they need to start with educating and assisting in making alternate commutes easier.

Yes, cycling in the Winter is much more difficult and most of us would rather not, but the summer months also bring more tourists and traffic, so that is the time where reducing downtown traffic is a good idea. It's also the time that many drivers CHOOSE to bike because we genuinely enjoy it.

The Yukon attracts people who enjoy the outdoors! Many of us enjoy and choose alternate commute methods. Education needs to be given to drivers who don't walk or bike to understand how to share the road. On the other hand, education also needs to be provided to cyclists on the rules of the road as well.

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CJ on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:38 am

So many of these policies seem designed by people who still live out of a backpack, because they're not planning to stay that long.

Kirk Cameron is onto something. We like cars. We like them because they mostly keep us dry and warm, and they help us stay in control of our schedule.

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north_of_60 on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:26 am

"...the city retained Boulevard Transportation Group to develop a Transportation Demand Management Plan to recommend policies, programs and practices to change travel behavior and promote sustainable travel options"

I wonder how much it cost taxpayers in Whitehorse and Canada for this 'study' to state the obvious?

Worthwhile enterprises like Raven Recycling that actually DO some good, all day every day here in Whitehorse, have to scrabble and beg council for a few thousand, meanwhile these High Priced Statements of the Obvious get lavishly funded.

This is just another example of how the CoW misspends taxpayer dollars.

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Northone on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:23 am

Here we go again, city administration trying to socially engineer the population. Councilor Cameron is right, we like our cars and the convenience they provide us. I can't imagine dropping kids off at daycare and then catching another bus or riding a bike to work - not to mention I need my car for work, I meet with clients all over town and have no alternative.

All this silly nonsense will do is drive businesses and offices out of the downtown core, where there is plenty of space for parking, not to mention it costs less to build on the periphery of town.

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Stan on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:18 am

It seems odd that the City has built trails to encourage safe commuting via walking and bikes and it now is proposing that people share some commuter trails with skidoos and ATVs.

Seriously, that is what the City has proposed for the bridge and Millennium Trail near Yukon Energy.

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Josey Wales on Apr 7, 2014 at 9:02 am

Hey I have an idea folks...

Rather than trying to tell us how to get through each day of our lives, refocus your civic energy to more relevant things.

Things as fiscal responsibility, start with trimming off a few feet of fat within your bloated bureaucracy...stop the emotional NOT fact based eco-witch hunt guilt trips.

Folks do not underestimate the power of an idea, despite the good/bad of them.

Seems our CoW nobles are learning from the Toronto crews in feeling we are too stupid to think for ourselves and the nobles via their epic "moving forward CRAP" studies/consultants/initiatives etc. will/do think for us.

Why not pass a fiscal responsibility by-law that ensures some thoughtful spending and fiscal decisions.

...oh yeah, Whitehorse....the "new" TO....never-mind

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yukoner 2 on Apr 7, 2014 at 8:14 am

the way the money is spent on all these studies you could pay for a parkade and fix the city streets.This is not a sprawling city, do we really need to promote more ignorant cyclist that don't know how to stay out of the middle of the street.

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Close the City on Apr 7, 2014 at 8:10 am

So the COW wants to mandate how we travel in the city in order to justify the sunk cost of their transit system, which carries three riders per bus. Do they realize that those who work downtown and park downtown also eat downtown and shop downtown. The more difficult it is to drive in, even for work, means there will be lees eating and shopping downtown. This means businesses will be after COW to reverse its path as the businesses begin to see red on their bottom lines and close. I am not certain I see what COW is trying to fix, other than its bloated bus system.

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June Jackson on Apr 7, 2014 at 8:09 am

Every single business in downtown Whitehorse can go under before I'll stop using my car. There is not much to say for standing around at a bus stop at -40, trudging through the mud in April, long commutes and, when you do get on the bus, a little puddle of puke on the floor not to mention trying to haul your groceries back and forth. Oh, and it's not cheap to ride the bus either.

These 15,000 people expected to come to Whitehorse must all be living in Whistle Bend and working at the 300 bed assisted living building?

And...I agree with K. Cameron.. I LIKE my car.

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here we go again on Apr 7, 2014 at 7:55 am

Although I don't disagree that things can be done to alleviate traffic here, why do they keep pushing to put more people on bikes in a place where half the year is spent with snow?! As it is, cyclists end up going in the middle of the street and my thought is that if they can't keep up with traffic, they shouldn't be in the middle of the street. You'll be seeing a lot more car vs bike accidents. Plus, if they're going to be on the road, they should have insurance just like everyone else.

As for buses--are they going to increase service? I understand they extended hours this year but that doesn't help to get people places. Our transit system isn't exactly all that convenient for getting from point A to B. Maybe there should be multiple common drop off spots instead of just 1 downtown...

Walking--walking anywhere in Whitehorse is taking your life in to your hand. Heck, driving these days is but at least you are protected by a large metal object.

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Bob Loblaw on Apr 7, 2014 at 7:01 am

This idea is unachievable. The city is poorly designed with a downtown, literally at the bottom of a hill and then residential areas (save Riverdale) up hill with no real business/commercial zones for people to walk/bike to work in the 'burbs.

It's not likely that I will drive my kids to school on bikes and then climb 2 mile with them at the end of the day.

If I need milk I will sometime pay the price at BigWay but most times I will drive downtown.

Add in that we are icebound 6 months of the year and winter biking is for the non-breeders and future Darwin Award winners.

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