Photo by Whitehorse Star
Coun. Dave Stockdale and Mayor Dan Curtis
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Coun. Dave Stockdale and Mayor Dan Curtis
Skateboarders, BMX riders and others who frequent the Second Haven Skateboard Park want to see the new park being planned built in the city’s core.
Skateboarders, BMX riders and others who frequent the Second Haven Skateboard Park want to see the new park being planned built in the city’s core.
“We would prefer the downtown,” Shawn Pierce, the Skate For Life Alliance’s vice-president, said in an interview this morning.
He suggested nearby Rotary Peace Park would be an ideal spot for a new skate park.
Skate For Life has been working over the last few years to design and fundraise for a new park.
Attention to the project picked up steam two weeks ago when it was learned a French first-language secondary school will likely be built at Second Haven’s site (currently Yukon government educational reserve land just over the Robert Campbell Bridge heading into Riverdale).
A new skateboard park would be constructed elsewhere in the city if the new school’s location, favoured by the territory’s francophone school board, proceeds.
Second Haven was built in 1995.
Pierce said there are other possible locations outside the downtown core – including near the Canada Games Centre – but the downtown locations are in more open areas and easier for riders to get to.
Skate For Life officials are hoping to meet with the territorial government next week to talk about possibilities for a new park.
“We want a say in the location and we want a say in the design,” Pierce said.
Mayor Dan Curtis also called on the territory for consultation about the new skate park so it can be built in a location and way that benefits the vast majority of Whitehorse residents.
Speaking at Monday’s city council meeting, the mayor noted the city has also requested a meeting with Yukon government officials on the matter.
Residents need to have a say in when and how the project happens, he said.
Curtis stressed he would like to see the territory initiate consultation and report back to the city.
If Yukon government land is found for the new skate park, Curtis said, it would be up to the territory to initiate any consultation process. He stated his request that the government do just that.
Otherwise, if the territory is looking to use city land for the new park, the city would initiate a process to consult residents about it. Other issues would also have to be addressed.
“We also have liability concerns,” Curtis said. The only way to move forward is with consultation, he stressed.
He outlined a number of potential locations being looked at around the city such as the Fifth Avenue and Rogers Street, near F.H. Collins Secondary School, and in the Sumanik Drive area.
The mayor also encouraged all developers to first meet with the city about their proposals so they can get a sense of what other plans may be in place in the same area their development is planned for.
Coun. Dave Stockdale joined Curtis in calling for the city to be involved in finding the right spot for the new skate park.
He said he hopes all council members can meet with the territory to understand what’s planned for the area.
“It is a very important decision,” Stockdale said.
Among those who frequent Second Haven, feelings about the new facility are “pretty mixed,” Pierce said.
There’s been a number of broken promises over the years by politicians on upgrades to the current park that were never done, he pointed out.
The announcement of the plans also seems sudden for many who don’t want to give up their park for a new school.
Pierce said he’s noticed an increase in the number of users at the park over the last three years as scooters have also become more popular.
Skate For Life has estimated the cost for a new skate park of roughly the same size to be about $500,000.
Cabinet spokeswoman Elaine Schiman said in an email correspondence late this morning there will be continuing discussion and work on the matter.
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Comments (18)
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Yukoner on Jul 4, 2016 at 12:45 pm
Our current riding facility is in horrible condition, we watch city workers pass us by with tools and intent to maintain public areas never looking twice at second haven. We watched this year as the city porta-potties rolled out into Riverdale with the summer transition, they too passed us by. We scraped ice off the one concrete section of the park for 2 months this year nearly daily just to ride the 20' we had uncovered for the afternoon, as city bobcats and street sweepers passed us by. The bush patch between us and the new school is generally used as a restroom, and those of us with kids bring our own washing and drinking water with us as we do not have those luxuries available on site. While our skatepark was completely covered in snow we were out there every day with shovels and scrapers, as city workers earned a nice wage clearing off the empty parking lot adjacent to us nearly daily.
We were all out there scraping ice off our crappy skatepark to be able to use it for a few days maybe weeks earlier this season, and weather providing we might get a late fall and pack in a full 4 months of outdoor ride time this year. We live in The Yukon so 4 out of 8 months is the best we can hope to catch.
4 Months if we're lucky. We will ride our crap skatepark every day we can.
While there are some bad apples who come around the park and make a bad name for it, there's also a pile of solid people who frequent the park and usually clear those idiots out. I haven't seen a fight in the bowl or any malicious intent at our park for years as there is always a presence of the older riders, and good people hanging out, with respect for one another on our pad.
Things changed at the second haven skatepark as they did across the globe over the past 10-15 years in skateboarding. Where there was once a bad reputation, glorified acts of violence, aggression, and vandalism, there is now dedication, guidance, open community, and a competitive learning environment. Skateboarding is a global sport now with over 13 million riders in the US alone. 13 million people who have been thrown onto the pavement maybe thousands of times in their riding experience, go ahead and hop back on the skateboard and push away again every day. Skateboarding culture has certainly evolved and the stigma is fading. Don't believe me? Ask a politician or a yuppie or nearly anyone for real help or to teach you something on their time on the spot. Then go try it at your local skatepark. You will see a difference in character that is unquestionable but socially you are taught an opposite viewpoint and it may take another generation for that stance to go away.
Some of you are thinking "yea right, good people at the skatepark every day, what nonsense". 100 years ago you were the same ones thinking "yea right, human rights, what nonsense". Things change.
Every single day you ride, you're doing it for yourself, there is more to learn, you may or may not incur a serious injury today, and you will never perfect the art. No person in the world be able to copy your riding techniques. You won't earn anything for your hard work, and if you stop when you break a sweat you will not progress. Each and every rider has their own style, this cannot be argued or manipulated it's just skateboarding. You can't do it if you lack character or willpower.
Putting the French school right next to the river is a great way to drown French youth, but as many mentioned the traffic situation in Riverdale is already horrible. No city officials, roundabouts are not intelligent, and you did not extend the bridge.
Second haven skatepark is a great location for wheeled exercise, its located perfectly as the city won't give us a downtown chunk of land honestly, and the hospital is an immediate drive or limp away. We have riders with a huge age span using the place every day, despite gravel enclosure, broken glass, no grass or benches, no bathroom, no water ,no city maintenance (we do our own garbage and recycling), no power and no shelter for elements or WINTER.
Its a horribly sloped chunk of pitted asphalt pointed downward into a treeline away from the road with a few obstacles of old concrete spackled about on the edges and a decaying genitalia shaped concrete bowl in the middle that wasn't designed with skateboarding in mind. But... Residents of The Yukon use it every day that they can, and love it. There may still be a stigma of the bad dude with a skateboard in his hand and a slingshot in the back pocket, but those times are long past. The guys on skateboards usually help the crying child before the parents do nowadays.
Please please please, privileged members of society, do not take away our jagged eyesore facility just to build another school in Riverdale, or for any other reason.
All we need is some concrete, some grass and minor facilities to look like a modern and progressive capital city to the rest of the world.
Isn't that why we keep hiring and importing southern idiots up here to make decisions that change and ruin our "Yukon time" way of life? To seem modern and progressive? Let's look the part! Support our community and youth with active living facilities that don't make us want a tetanus shot! Riders will appreciate any upgrades or change to the park, just look at the dedication to that place in its current condition.
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Ryan on Jul 30, 2015 at 1:23 pm
Where ever it's built, build it indoors. Make it useful year round and you can have rules and regulate alcohol/drug use if that's a concern. Build it in the existing indoor arena in takini or porter creek or in any other of the many unused building in Whitehorse.
If it's going to be outside research new skate parks that are being built all over the world. Cities are having them designed to fit well into the city plans so they don't become an eye sore.
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north_of_60 on May 18, 2015 at 1:08 pm
Build any new French school in Wasteland Bend. They wanted it so badly, don't give them a choice where it's built.
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Trevor Lahey & Cory on May 14, 2015 at 1:40 pm
They should build the French school like a house boat. See you in Dawson.
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Erik Smith on May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Keep the park where it is, the existing park asphault can be dug up milled and reused to form new features and encompass already existing features, thus cutting costs of the construction process and also not taking over usable green space. It seems that some of the general public is afraid of the" pot smoking , beers for breakfast, thug wannabes" but that is just a stereotype that a few bad apples have inbedded in their minds. There are plenty of your children there learning to skate or scooter, having good clean fun and believe it or not I'm contributing and functioning member of this city and have been riding there since day 1.
Why plop another school right beside the other? Riverdale holds more than half of our k-12 schools with only a two lane bridge. This will only add to the congestion.
As for skipping school to go skate, this will happen wherever the park is placed.
Skateboarders being downtown and riding where there are not supposed to is just as prevalent as bikers on the sidewalks, there is also a new fad of skateboards all over our streets called "longboards" which do not use our existing park or will use the new one because they only stick to cruising the cities walks and streets, so please do not confuse them with the park enthusiasts.
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It will cost more to build school just for french connect to FH on May 13, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Here we go again more non cost effective planning use of tax payers dollars.
I am not a First Nation person but they should go higher on the list of support in education.
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Josey Wales on May 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
Hey folks is this "local" issue not a FANTASTIC example of what the hell is going on all over Canada?
Even going back before metal was used for tools here, allll the way to today
In our wee issue, it seems to I at least...that there is an effort to see just how many folks we can displace and irritate to accommodate "the fringe"?
Honestly folks this particular school issue has been so over the top post Trudeautopian times, rife with revisionism, infected with PC Crusader gibberish.... and now we are seeing the butterfly effect of this race to the bottom.
Do they even teach history in our schools anymore?
Because when I was a wee lad we were taught that the french lost the battles for Canada, besides most every other wars they were in historically.
Kinda odd we even have to (or should at least) "arret" at those red octagons, much less build a school for the elites of their defeats?
If "it" the school must be built?
As another stated, build it in the latest socially engineered hood few also like and clearly resent...in PooVille (oops) Whistle Bend?
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ProScience Greenie on May 13, 2015 at 9:22 am
If the current park must be removed (I don't think it should, let the French school be built outside Riverdale) then Shipyards is better than Rotary. Other vacant lots exist as well.
How much less than $500,000 would a skate park cost if the users and their friends and supporters rolled up their sleeves, grabbed shovels, hammers and trowels and hit it hard one weekend with concrete and lumber supplied? These skateboarders are mostly great young people and I think they would go for a barn-raising type scenario if offered.
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ross phillips on May 13, 2015 at 7:29 am
And the Skate for Life Alliance? Are you freaking kidding me? This territory is becoming a NGO nightmare! Think of the children! How's about the Beers Before Noon Alliance? How's about the We Need Another Sushi Restaurant Alliance?
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ross phillips on May 13, 2015 at 7:26 am
People.... those who are being duped into believing the current skate park is some sort of haven of health and positivity, might want to go do a little careful observing. Booze, pot, broken glass, kids skipping out of class at FH and thug wannabes are the norm. A skate park now or in the future is NOT needed when it comes to quality of life.
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Tyler Nichol on May 12, 2015 at 10:17 pm
Hard to believe they want to put even more traffic into Riverdale with a new school. The new skate park would be best over in shipyards park. It would be close to places for food and drink and is also easy to get to for local and people visiting Whitehorse. The reason the current skate park has a bad wrap is because no one (the city) maintains it. If you go anywhere else in Canada the skate parks are always in park areas and that is when skaters have respect for the park because it's beautiful. Just build it right and make it with a nice landscape instead of with a dirty dusty parking lot and beside an unmaintained basketball court. The city needs to take responsibility for this and clean up it's act. This is a place where our kids play and is no different than any other rec facility.
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Max Mack on May 12, 2015 at 5:46 pm
I assume Shawn Pierce is a well-meaning person, but I have to wonder how the Skate for Life Alliance (SLA) got the idea that Rotary Peace Park would be a suitable location for a new skate park. Perhaps SLA was not the genesis for that idea? Intelligent readers will know what I mean.
Rotary Peace Park is the only public, grassy space in Whitehorse where families can have a picnic, play in a child's playground or at the small waterpark, throw frisbees or watch beach volleyball - right beside the majestic Yukon River. Rotary Peace Park has been at the centre of Whitehorse civic life for decades.
Where exactly in Rotary Peace Park would a suitably-sized skate park go without impairing the existing uses and users?
On another note, $500,000 for an outdoor skate park? That number seems suspiciously low. And why build an outdoor skate park? Why not indoor?
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Jim Lahey on May 12, 2015 at 5:27 pm
Lol @ 420 fumes. Oh no. Not the evil 420 fumes.
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Yukoner on May 12, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Leave the skate park where it is don't build the French school in Riverdale also I don't think we need to mix the kids from the rotary peace park with the skate crowd. if anything, move it to shipyards.
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Think this out on May 12, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Rotary Park?? Are you high? Wait, don't answer that.
It needs to be downtown for sure but inserting a skate park into a actually park sets off alarm bells. Parks, like Rotary are supposed to be peaceful serene places to relax for young families, older people.
Skate parks have loud music, boisterous skaters and the 420 fumes. These two cultures will not mix well. Surely to god the City has a suitable chunk of land downtown they can offer up?
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No more schools in riverdale on May 12, 2015 at 4:19 pm
Build it in Whistlebend. Riverdale is overcrowded as it is. Plus the elite students can play at the elite soccer field being build by their parents. Win win.
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June Jackson on May 12, 2015 at 3:45 pm
By putting the skateboard park in an already existing family park, you put at risk all the non-skateboard enthusiasts. It really hurts when you get knocked over by a skateboarder traveling at considerable speed. When I got hit, the kid, about 19 or so, jumped off the board and the board hit me in the back tendons behind my ankles and knocked me to the ground...I couldn't get up... sat on the ground and cried.
It can be a dedicated skate park, or a family park, I don't want it to try to be both; that can't work. The park is well used as a family park. Why do they want to be downtown anyway? No matter what by law is passed to keep people safe, they won't abide by it. They are not supposed to be on main street, but there they are..
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Tater on May 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm
I hope that YTG gives the same consideration to this park that the city gave to the soccer fields in Whistle Bend and follows the mayors logic in voting.