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ITS DAYS ARE NUMBERED – There is a dire need to replace the outdated Municipal Services Building on Fourth Avenue, some council members said Monday evening. Pictured left: SHANNON CLOHOSEY and DAN BOYD

City building’s design cost could top $2 million

The design of the city’s new operations building and construction supervision could cost more than $2 million.

By Stephanie Waddell on May 17, 2016

The design of the city’s new operations building and construction supervision could cost more than $2 million.

At least one councillor, meanwhile, is questioning whether it should even be moving forward right now.

Coun. Dan Boyd raised concerns about the project at Monday’s council meeting.

Shannon Clohosey, the city’s manager of environmental sustainability, brought forward a recommendation that council award a $2.15-million contract to the Toronto-based firm RDHA. It submitted the lowest of the five eligible proposals considered.

Also submitting eligible proposals on the design and construction supervision were CEI at $2.26 million; Stantec at $2.56 million; Manasc at $2.41 million; and Perkins at $2.45 million.

The contract would see the design along with supervision during construction to ensure it’s built to the design approved.

Questioned by Coun. Rob Fendrick, Clohosey said all the subcontractors proposed to work on the design under RDHA are made up of firms that are local and/or have a local office in Whitehorse.

Those include Kobayashi & Zedda Architects, which did an initial study on the location for the building a number of years ago.

The operations building is being proposed as the first part of a larger building consolidation project that would move a number of departments and offices out of sites scattered around the city to the site off Two Mile Hill and Range Road.

This portion of the project will see staff and operations that are currently in the Municipal Services Building (MSB) on Fourth Avenue moved up the hill.

It’s anticipated the new operations building would cost $44 million alone.

The full consolidation – if it goes ahead – would come out to around $73 million.

Taxpayers were initially told the full building consolidation project would cost $56 million when it was first announced.

Council members in favour of the project argued last night that moving ahead with the design and construction supervision contract would give the city greater clarity on the exact costs.

Boyd, however, argued it’s unclear where the funding will come from.

The city will receive $15 million from the federal gasoline tax revenue fund, with the remainder anticipated to come from city reserves and financing.

Boyd argued the city needs to get its finances “in order” before it moves ahead with the design of the major project.

He added that he “fully supports” replacing the ageing MSB once financing is in place.

If you were going to build a house, he argued, you wouldn’t get the design done without having your finances in place first.

City manager Christine Smith noted officials will soon have more clarity on exactly what’s in the reserves as finance staff finish up accounting for the 2015 fiscal year.

While Coun. Samson Hartland didn’t take direct issue with the awarding of the design, he did note there could be some “tough decisions” ahead.

“We know numbers are starting to climb,” he said of the rising cost of the project, which was only publicly revealed on May 6.

Other council members defended the project, noting the dire need to replace the MSB and the historical low interest rates that are available right now.

“This is imperative work that needs to happen,” Coun. Roslyn Woodcock said.

As Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu pointed out, if the city doesn’t move ahead now and interest rates rise, the cost “could skyrocket” even further.

Fendrick described the difficulty for the city now as decisions on design inform decisions on construction and vice-versa.

“We’re in a tricky part right now,” he said.

Mayor Dan Curtis, meanwhile, argued “what we can’t afford to do is wait in perpetuity.”

Once the design is complete, he stressed, it will give the city a much better sense of the true costs it faces.

As he pointed out, there are cases where the cost on a project – or part of a project – actually come down from the estimates.

Curtis used the design contract as a prime example. He pointed out the design had been estimated to cost $2.59 million, and all the eligible proposals came in beneath that, with the potential award being $440,000 under that.

As Coun. Betty Irwin commented: “We desperately need that design” to know the true cost.

“It’s critical this contract be awarded,” she said.

That decision will happen next Tuesday evening, when council votes on the contract.

Comments (22)

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Joey Manvilly on May 22, 2016 at 1:26 pm

I do think many of the cities committees are largely failures but the concept of committees has some merit.

How about a committee of city residents with diverse backgrounds which reviews and makes recommendations on city expenditures for capital items and buildings which cost over $150,000.

Individuals who want to participate are appointed and allowed to make reasoned comments on the cities budget items. It seems that the mayor and council review if often very limited- people with a stake in the cities future would provide balance and perspective.

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It is very clear that the Mayor on May 20, 2016 at 12:13 pm

is out to lunch on how to be a mayor.

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George Hall on May 19, 2016 at 9:08 pm

The Municipal Services building on 4th ave is fine with the asbestos sealed off. There is no problem with that as long as the asbestos remains undisturbed and sealed. It's when you demolish the building that the problem will occur.
Has any of these clowns done a traffic study of the already congested intersection of Two Mile Hill and Range Road? ( I suspect not) leads me to believe that the rest of the planning is left somewhat wanton and more or less penciled in for expediency. Please, decision makers drink more coffee and come out of your coma.

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Ian Robertson, you are bang on.... on May 19, 2016 at 7:10 am

I slogged through the report on City of Whitehorse website and managed to get over typos and spelling mistakes ("ellimination", "dirtly"). But I still don't get why there weren't more options presented - quoting surveys where 72 people responded, and a few more preferred the 2-mile-hill site over Robert Service Way is pretty lame. I voted for Dan Boyd and Samson Hartland because they promised to dig into the consolidation project and its costs - the existing plan is much more than a place the size (and tax base) of Whitehorse can afford.

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Jonathan Colby on May 18, 2016 at 8:55 pm

Soooo...
K+Z, so we can have another modern, asymmetric eyesore with too little room for mechanical, which will drive up the installation and maintenance costs.

Aaaaand at Range road and 2 mile, meaning city operations will be heard day and night by the right-across-the-way Takhini neighborhood, which already puts up with too much noise throughout the night from the impossibly insensitive COW operations department.

And to top it off, we have a mayor and council who seem hell-bent on driving this forward, despite what appears to be near universal criticism by city residents.
I agree, new buildings are better than old buildings. But that doesn't mean we should be running full steam ahead with this.

We know how much this is going to cost: a lot. The answer is a lot. We don't need plans to show that.

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Concerned citizen on May 18, 2016 at 4:31 pm

This whole deal has become ludicrous. This council should be run out of town on a rail.

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Ian Robertson on May 18, 2016 at 4:27 pm

The real issues are; do we need a building of this size and cost, can we afford it and how will it be financed. A fourth underlying issue relates to credibility and trust of public government to deliver large capital projects on time and budget. The Yukon Government's track record for similar projects over the past 5 years does nothing to relieve the distrust and a credibility gap.
The level of discussion at Monday's Council meeting is disturbing. It does nothing to improve public confidence other than raise more red flags. Building consolidation in principle makes sense. Replacing the MSB building for example is needed but what is the true cost?. Full cost accounting has to include demolition, site remediation and sale of redundant assets as well as the full life cycle cost of the new building(s). Remember, there is also a plan for an addition to City Hall as well. The initial price for the entire project which included a larger maintenance building has increased from $55M to $77M within a year - another red flag.
The land value of the new site is approximately $1M which the City can lease from Yukon for a $1.00/year is a partial savings but will largely be eaten up by the cost of servicing. $15M from the federal government infrastructure funding pot will help but there is still a significant shortfall which the city's reserve account cannot make up even if other important capital projects are deferred.
Monday night I would have expected a more sophisticated discussion of financing options. Municipal bond issues are common elsewhere. What about approaching WCB to invest money from their reserve accounts at home. I can't think of a much safer investment. How about the Air North example or a three "P" partnership? What are the pros and cons? Let's be transparent, creative, and pragmatic applying common sense and living within our means.

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seriously??? on May 18, 2016 at 2:47 pm

There has never been a better time to spend money you don't have!!

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Joe Boyce on May 18, 2016 at 1:33 pm

I agree somewhat with Josey Wales but not the merit of the purging disaster scenarios.

Where is Josey's ramora who would smooth those anti comments?

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Joe Boyce on May 18, 2016 at 12:39 pm

Boyd is right on his comment: "Boyd argued the city needs to get its finances “in order” before it moves ahead with the design of the major project."

Thoreau said: "If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them."

Lets put the foundation of funding under the new city buildings with no tax increase for residents. I do not want tax increases and do not want to see cost overruns that occur because of poor planning.

I also want the city to seriously protect our Environmentally Sensitive Areas and make this city worthy of the wilderness city tag.

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Smurf on May 18, 2016 at 12:32 pm

And don't forget:
Those numbers are without the demolishing of the old buildings and proper removal of all the asbestos (and other nice things they might find in the ground).

Because that has to be done anyway before they can sell the lots!
Another couple millions (or more) to add...
WOW!!!

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Josey Wales on May 17, 2016 at 10:43 pm

See...more bulls**t. Can I expect a marble shop floor? Maybe some gold leaf around the crystal water fountain? They will piss away whatever volume of money they can loot from the peasants, pissants whatever term they use for us among "themselves". Nobles building a legacy of ego trips, hucksters and all on the back of folks yet to be born.
Entering the world in debt because idiots at the many levels of government have their head buried deep deep in their arse...wow what progress!
I wonder how many gravel roads in the greater Taranta or Vancouver region get calcium 8 times a year? But THEY have pavement - do we not need it too..cuz they have it? Oh no, that is for ski hills and tipping fees only..forgot.

I'm not sure why, but these days I'm sorta hoping that dam will break or LNG plant lights up. Maybe purge some stupid we are "over represented" with.

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north_of_60 on May 17, 2016 at 9:00 pm

Is Dan Boyd the only Councilor who gets it? We already know we can't afford Mayor Curtis' Dream Castle on the Hill. That was obvious from the initial cost estimates which rapidly increased. Spending millions on a detailed design we already know will be too costly is a waste of money.

Spend those millions instead on an addition to the bus garage/shop in Marwell to accommodate City equipment. Lease some of the abundant office space available in town, and vacate the Cassiar building as soon as possible; demolish it and sell the property. THEN you might have enough money to proceed with a detailed design for a moderately sized municipal services building to meet our needs.

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Riverdale on May 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm

The City of Whitehorse can't afford this major capital project and Mr. Boyd's questioning is appreciated.

Why is Mayor Curtis demanding that the Yukon Government support local but the City isn't focused on hiring local businesses to do the architectural design and construction and helping the struggling local business/private sector (aka Taxpayers) keep the money in the Yukon. Come on COW, show some vision, if you are going to do any capital projects, make sure it's done with the great help of local businesses.

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sarah on May 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm

Technically, Boyd should have some knowledge of fruitless spending and wasting of taxpayers money, after all....he was on the board for Mount Sima when they went bankrupt and had to ask the City for more money to continue operations. Perhaps he's learned from previous experience?

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Pjt1959 on May 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

2 mil to design a garage? Someone must be having really nice work bays. A building for a garage should be done for maybe 5 mill in all. What is the environmental personnel doing in this - are there not public works people? What is the city manager paid for? As I said once, Dan wants to leave his mark on the city bigger than others named Curtis Castle. I wrote an e-mail to council stating that this project will top a 100 mil and at 30,000 people it is not affordable. I only hope Dan Boyd keeps the pressure on about cost. Build a square shop if we need it. Pretty is not part of making it work better. That is my rant.

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This is just mistake on May 17, 2016 at 5:28 pm

The Mayor wants to build it anyway and make statements that he has no knowledge about.

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June Jackson on May 17, 2016 at 5:06 pm

The extravagant expenditures began years ago with the first term of Bev Buckway as Mayor. That atmosphere of entitlement to public funds, somewhat resentful of having to account for public funds, has permeated each council after that.

2 million dollars for a design? That won't mean a damned thing to this council.. a mere drop in the bucket of what they are planning on spending.

Dan should be reining in spending.. but, failing sadly to do that.

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Shake your head on May 17, 2016 at 4:51 pm

Dear COW, City council and lost Mayor, I can't afford the new Porshe but, I would sure like one. So I borrowed money from my mom to fly down to Vancouver to go talk to a salesman about one. The salesman did an excellent job at showing the pros and cons of each model. I now know the one that I would like to buy. I still can't afford it so next Christmas I am going to ask my immediate family, extended family and friends to pay for the car. Makes sense doesn't it?

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Lost in the Yukon on May 17, 2016 at 4:25 pm

Interesting how fast and loose these folks play with public money ... need versus want / regular size versus supersize.

Boyd is pointing in the right direction ... and guess what it's going to be lo income Whitehorse residents that will be the most when taxes go up yet again because they got in over their heads.

You certainly can't count on Danny Boy's hand picked City Manager (at $200,000.00 a year) to say anything as she is hopelessly out of her element.

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joe and Jane on May 17, 2016 at 4:02 pm

Scrap this stupid project designed to stroke a few egos. We don't need a building of this magnitude and we certainly don't need to go ahead without knowing how we're going to pay for it. Time for a full audit of the City's operations.

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Tighten your belt on May 17, 2016 at 4:00 pm

Hey guys! We can't afford the plan or the building. Shelve it and give tax payers a break.

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