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Coun. Samson Hartland and Mayor Dan Curtis

City adopts downtown parking plan

While a parkade is not in the 2019 Downtown Parking Management Plan adopted by city council Monday evening, the subject did receive some attention from council members.

By Chuck Tobin on July 23, 2019

While a parkade is not in the 2019 Downtown Parking Management Plan adopted by city council Monday evening, the subject did receive some attention from council members.

So did the subject of establishing market rates for on-street parking meters. It’s in the 2019 plan, and is among three of the recommendations council has chosen to focus on with its adoption of the plan.

Coun. Samson Hartland told his colleagues Monday he met recently with a prominent member of the business community who expressed concern about the availability of parking with the population on the rise.

“While I support many issues in the plan, the plan fails to address the lack of parking in the downtown core,” he said.

Hartland said a parking structure should remain on the table as a solution. It was a focal point in discussions back in the 1990s, when the parking reserve was established.

But Mayor Dan Curtis noted he and senior staff member also spoke with members of the business community three or four months back. From their perspective, a parkade is not viable without a private-public partnership leading the investment.

Even then, it’s not possible for Whitehorse to be charging fees that parkades in Calgary and Vancouver are charging, he said.

Answering a question from the mayor, acting city manager Valerie Braga confirmed there are always available spaces for lease in the three downtown parking lots owned by the city.

Curtis noted the city stalls go for $150 a month.

Mike Gau, the city’s director or development services, said the rationale for not including a parkade in the parking management plan is based on the substantial capital investment required and the ongoing cost of maintenance.

On July 15, council heard from administration that even when parking is tight during peak periods, vacant stalls can usually be found within a couple of blocks of the high-traffic areas.

Coun. Dan Boyd, however, said the availability of parking is certainly a priority for the business community.

He’d like to have more information about the history of the parking reserve fund.

It’s expected the reserve will have approximately $3.5 million in it by the end of this year.

The plan adopted Monday night as a guide to manage parking in the downtown sets out 22 recommendations.

Three of them were also adopted by council as priorities to focus on.

A decision to go forward with any of the other recommendations would require approval by city council. The three recommendations adopted are:

• the use of technology to improve customer service and monitor parking data across downtown, including the upgrade of existing meters to “smart” meters or kiosks, cashless and mobile payment options, and public online tools for parking status and availability;

• technology enhancements that are expected to significantly improve parking demand and supply data. This will allow the city to continuously monitor parking information and apply parking strategies recommended in the 2019 Plan; and

• a refined pricing strategy that will help create change in the city’s current parking patterns. An effective strategy focuses on applying market rates to peak-demand areas and incentivizes users into sustainable transportation modes, such as transit.

Establishing what might be an appropriate market rate for the meters will take some work, will take some consultation with stakeholders, Gau told council.

Coun. Steve Roddick insisted there is value in city-owned land used for parking, and he suggested the city should earn a fair rate of return on that land.

Currently, if developers want to reduce the required parking by just one stall, they have to make a one-time payment to the city of $18,700, the councillor pointed out.

Right now, Roddick said, the city is charging a minimal amount for parking.

He said parking fees are an opportunity to capture revenue from those who live outside city limits and take advantage of the services Whitehorse has to offer but don’t pay property taxes.

Boyd and Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu recommended caution in going forward to establish a market rate.

Curteanu said council has to recognize people go downtown to support local business, so parking needs to be affordable.

The councillor said she is concerned the city will move toward parking fees that are similar to what they are down south.

Boyd said he doesn’t know what the market rate is, though he suggested the city needs to be careful.

“When we have the only supply, and we have a captive audience, the market will bear a lot,” he said.

Comments (23)

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Eric on Aug 21, 2019 at 7:45 pm

I like the idea of demand responsive pricing of parking meters. The city has a right as well as the responsibility to manage the curb for all people, not just those who drive cars.
What would help revitalize the downtown would be for a land value tax to be applied instead of a property tax system as is the case today. Add to that the removal of parking minimums from the development bylaw and there you have a recipe for downtown revitalization, mix the uses, discourage off street parking and encourage efficient use of land and there you have a great downtown. Better than what is there now.

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Wilf on Jul 27, 2019 at 12:09 pm

This discussion makes no sense some councillors just don't get it.

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Sue Greetham on Jul 27, 2019 at 10:37 am

Multiple Parkades as soon as possible. Stop all non commercial development in the city centre. Employees must be strongly encouraged to travel by public transport especially public employees. Make the plan, use the plan. Build business, build tools to encourage business. Remove all meters and allow shoppers some freedom downtown. What are we here for? Move Government to the fringes of the core.

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Yukonblonde on Jul 26, 2019 at 3:43 pm

In other big cities they don’t let prime Downtown land just sit idle and fenced up for years (decades) the cities force the owners to do some sort of short(ish) term development. Imagine if instead of fenced off dirt pits dotted all over the city we had parking lots and parks? Especially around the visitor information centre. Yet this council does nothing about it. Other cities say : if you aren’t going to develop the land, have no plan, you have to present council with something. You can just leave an empty, ugly lot for 10 years. Many opt for a park. It would improve Whitehorse to no end.

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CJ on Jul 25, 2019 at 11:09 pm

"Right now, Roddick said, the city is charging a minimal amount for parking.
He said parking fees are an opportunity to capture revenue from those who live outside city limits and take advantage of the services Whitehorse has to offer but don’t pay property taxes."
And those who live inside city limits but outside bus routes and pay property taxes. Nicely thought out, Mr. Roddick. I can't even.

Hopefully the downtown businesses that non-downtowners are "taking advantage of" will be able to advocate eloquently for themselves. I was in town on Sunday and Main Street was full. That means business was good. What happened to all the fervor about keeping our downtown core alive? Another planning fad that was abandoned as resumes were adequately padded.

Frankly, there is a threshold for me for parking fees, and if it was reached, I would simply limit my trips to town and plan them out better, no doubt choosing the convenience of stores with parking lots more often than not, especially when the weather isn't that great for walking.

Of course some people have to work in town, and that's the real issue -- day-long parking. I haven't read the parking plan yet, but I hope there is a connection made about how useful transit needs to be to encourage people choose it. Such as park and ride locations. I like public transit in cities where it works well.

I'm not holding out much hope, though. Once city council and its staff latch onto to fees as the solution to any issue -- well, when your only tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail, as they say.

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Ikorido m. on Jul 24, 2019 at 5:32 pm

One thing that bugs me a while, and commented on before, is that City Counsel always votes in favour for new condo buildings in downtown, to not have to provide parking space per unit. Just got confirmed in this article that they have to pay a one time fee. How is this okay? Of course the developer rather pay a “fine” of $189k rather than not selling an additional condo for up to $600k. This is disgusting COW.
And stop trying to “advertise” public transport. It is not reliable, needs too long, doesn’t run on Sundays and the stops are not sheltered. And there are a myriad of other reasons why people need to use their car.

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Steve H on Jul 24, 2019 at 3:13 pm

Wouldn’t it be a better idea for YG to build a parkade at the Main YG building since many of the spaces taken up around town are by their employees? They could then use Transit to get where they need to go.

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Politico on Jul 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm

Moved here 40 yrs ago and people were complaining about downtown parking and the lack there of. Since then we've more than doubled the number of people here but nothing has been done about adding more downtown parking. Free parking downtown would only benefit the people who work downtown and tie up parking spaces so the people who want to shop downtown couldn't find space. The only way to add spaces would be to build a park aid but according to the the Municipal Act COW cannot be a partner in that. Up to the private sector to put up or shut up!

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doug on Jul 24, 2019 at 1:20 pm

A simple fix will increase both parking and traffic congestion with in the downtown area of Whitehorse. From the bridge leaving Riverdale make it north bound one way 3 lane traffic and from the Lights Joining 4 th ave and 2 nd ave at the bottom of two mile hill make it 3 lanes one way south bound. This will decrease the width needed for traffic going along 2nd and 4 th ave. freeing up room along both shoulders for angle parking the entire length of both routes. Secondly there will be no more sitting at an intersection trying to make a left turn onto either street as you only need to make a right turn regardless of where you are wanting to go.Traffic will always travel in a circular direction circling to the right to get to any where in the downtown Whitehorse core.This will decrease the amount of vehicle idling and vehicle exhaust emissions, at intersections, as it's always easier to turn right with the traffic, than turn left against it. The flow of traffic will never be congested as it is now. Pretty simple fix folks.

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You get what you pay for. on Jul 24, 2019 at 12:57 pm

Perhaps next time people will not vote for Mr. Roddick.
For someone born and raised in the Yukon he sure acts like one of those bureaucrats from Outside, telling us he knows what's best for us.

I read through his official resume and invite you to do the same. Poster boy for all the SJW types, gentrification, against resource extraction and global warming fear mongering. Just what we need to make this place a shi••y little enclave that is bylaw'd and taxed to death, without ever trying to be independent of Ottawa's billion dollar welfare payments. Of course just one grumpy locals point of view who's seen Whitehorse go from a frontier wilderness city to a wanna be yuppie utopia.

https://www.whitehorse.ca/city-council/mayor-and-council/councillor-steve-roddick

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Who voted for these people? Not me! on Jul 24, 2019 at 12:52 pm

I'm so glad I avoid downtown at all costs. If I go downtown, it's for groceries and I use the FREE parking lots.
Main Street is deplorable. I don't feel safe leaving my vehicle parked on Main Street.

What do people who work downtown do for parking these days? There seem to be more than required restrictions.
As far as public transportation, if it takes me 12 times as long to get to my destination instead of driving my car, or I could even walk faster, why would I use it? It's not efficient.
I can honestly say that I did not vote for any of these successful candidates. But I also choose my candidates and don't just vote for the ones listed first on the ballots.

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Gregory on Jul 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm

@ Joe - unfortunately it's not that simple. How would we enforce business owners to pay for their staff's parking? They will just claim that their staff member who's car is parked out front is not actually working that day so can park for free. Would the city then look at who is on the business's pay role and then look up all their vehicle registrations and ticket them if any of their vehicles are parked downtown during business hours?
If we removed all the parking meters then people would park at all the prime locations all week and never move, then people would complain there isn't enough parking close to the places they want to go, then we'd have to build more parking spaces which would take up more land and result in downtown being more spread out, which would mean we'd have to walk even further to get the shops. This is not a sustainable approach for Whitehorse. I feel like people commenting on this article are very quick to judge but don't take the time to actually fully understand the situation.

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Trevor Howard on Jul 24, 2019 at 11:49 am

Many other towns and cities have similar parking issues. I have seen most if not all wait too long to address and find a solution. Waiting too long as the population grows can lead to a shopping mall being built away from the downtown core which will condemn some stores to close. I don't have a solution but one idea would be an employee parking area with a continuous shuttle to downtown. Anyone reading this present your ideas I am sure someone will have a great idea.

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Grouxho d'North on Jul 24, 2019 at 11:44 am

Perhaps Mr. Roddick should speak with Whitehorse business operators and ask them how much their business depends on people who do not live within the tax boundaries of Whitehorse.
Whitehorse is a retail hub for all of the Yukon, northern BC, south-east Alaska and parts of the NWT and for the many visitors who roll through each year. Merchants are grateful for the business these consumers bring to them even if they don't pay COW taxes. Honestly, how did this Roddick fellow get elected to Council?

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Dennis on Jul 24, 2019 at 5:57 am

Dear Samson I recently met with a prominent public figure who was talking about parking problems in Whitehorse that haven't changed for 50 years. The left turn allowed on main street during rush hours doesn't help the businesses on main but rather just congests traffic so nobody really wants to be in the area anyways. The Romans realized this 1000 years ago and they also made use of one-way streets.
What do we do? We congest traffic wherever we can by having riderless buses parked all over town taking breaks from what I don't know? We allow left turns during rush traffic and have no one way streets.
I suggest studying Roman traffic engineering instead of coming on with Mother of all master plans never ending incompetency with a hope of efficiency that will never be realized. How complicated can six routes be?

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Yukoner on Jul 23, 2019 at 10:01 pm

Who voted for Roddick? Those ppl. Should pay triple the fees and taxes. That guy has to go.

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Been other places on Jul 23, 2019 at 9:51 pm

"Right now, Roddick said, the city is charging a minimal amount for parking.
He said parking fees are an opportunity to capture revenue from those who live outside city limits and take advantage of the services Whitehorse has to offer but don’t pay property taxes."

Are you serious Roddick? Are property taxes and parking the only revenue streams for the City of Whitehorse? No gas tax eh? What a greedy and short sighted view. SMH at this guy.

Go ahead, turn this place into the next Prince George with a dead downtown and big box stores claiming the lion's share of revenue on the outskirts of town (where parking is free). It's happening already.

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Miles Emerson on Jul 23, 2019 at 8:14 pm

My solution is no parking meters since it's a hassle and parking benefits everyone.

As another said downtown is a mess with drunks and panhandlers. It's time to deal effectively with these issues. People often politely ask for money then become offensive if you say no.

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Joe on Jul 23, 2019 at 4:53 pm

I have a better idea, remove all the parking meters downtown and then maybe I'll start going downtown again. Easier to shop online than to pay parking tickets. And make shop owners and banks pay for parking spaces for their staff, easy.

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Jim on Jul 23, 2019 at 4:24 pm

Ah yes. Let’s make it too expensive to go downtown. Let’s deter downtown shopping. This council and administration are a joke. Everything they do, they do with the grace of a sledge hammer. You want more people to use transit? Maybe make it more reliable. I wonder if the new administration building will be charging their employees a “market” parking fee to encourage ride share and bus ridership? You can bet that lot will be full of cars, just like every YTG building and a bunch will be driving back and forth for coffee, lunch, banking, etc. Remember, do as I say, not as I do.

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Wilf Carter on Jul 23, 2019 at 4:22 pm

C Roddick is supported by who? Study done that most of the people who park downtown are from Whitehorse. Why put facts out there that are not correct and mislead residents? I worked on parking in the 1990's with Kathy Watson and others. If you increase the price of downtown parking then you have to charge a parking tax on Canadian Tire, Walmart and Super store to make it fair.

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The Death of Downtown on Jul 23, 2019 at 2:34 pm

Downtown Whitehorse is dying. No one is doing anything about the drunks harassing people. There is litter everywhere all the time. If I didn't have to go to the post office to get my amazon packages I would never park anywhere near Main Street. This City Council is invested in a dead idea of the vibrant downtown of the 50s. Increasing parking costs is only beating a dead horse.

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Max Mack on Jul 23, 2019 at 1:13 pm

City council continues to disappoint. How about defending the very people that pay for your salaries?
"market rates for on-street parking meters"

Translation - CoW needs to generate revenue to pay for its obscenely bloated expenses, which they cannot seem to control. This administration is out-of-control.

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