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INTEREST HIGH – City councillors John Streicker, left, and Kirk Cameron spoke to approximately 100 people attending the meeting at Mount Sima Wednesday evening to see what they could do to save their hill, if anything.

Approximately 100 or so turn out for discussion on Mount Sima's future

A standing-room-only crowd filled the main floor of the Mount Sima chalet Wednesday night, looking for a way to reopen for the 2013/2014 winter season.

By Stephanie Waddell on July 18, 2013

A standing-room-only crowd filled the main floor of the Mount Sima chalet Wednesday night, looking for a way to reopen for the 2013/2014 winter season.

The two-hour session, drawing upwards of 100 people, was the first open meeting the hill's operators – the Great Northern Ski Society – has held since the financial crisis that closed the facility early this month became clear.

The city has turned down repeated funding requests from the board to keep the alpine facility going, though council did vote in favour of paying off the debt on the chair lift and securing title to the lift.

The hill's shutdown ended the short-lived summer operations that included an aerial park, with GNSS voting to begin the work of dissolving the society.

"Dissolution of the GNSS is not a fast thing,” board secretary Lee Vincent told the crowd last evening, stressing the focus of the board now is to sell off some of the hill's assets in order to pay off the $170,000 debt to local creditors and continue negotiations with WildPlay for licensing fees and the issue of the 10-year lease for the summer adventure park.

It will only be after a large amount of the debt has been dealt with that the board will call the special general meeting where members will vote on whether to dissolve the society, the crowd was informed. A 21-day notice is required before the meeting can be held, which would bring it closer to the drop-dead date of Sept. 1 to determine if the hill can open for the winter.

As Vincent outlined, the current board is focused on dealing with the debts and last night's session was simply hosted by the society as a community meeting for those who may be interested in coming up with a way to reopen for the winter season.

The current board, she said, was there to answer questions and provide support, but it's focus is not on the hill reopening, but rather paying off the debts. She acknowledged though if Sima is to reopen it can only do so after the baggage of debt it now carries is dealt with.

Since the closure was announced many have come forward, proposing numerous ideas for the hill, prompting last night's meeting to be held.

During the two-hour discussion last night, those ideas continued along with the call for core annual funding as longtime supporters of the hill assessed what went wrong.

The 2007 Canada Winter Games is "100 per cent” the reason Sima is in the situation it is right now, said Sam Oettli, the outdoor operations manager.

Playing host to the national sporting event meant turning the small operation into a much larger facility than the community could support – the new chalet which costs more to operate replaced the small ATCO trailer that served as the cafeteria and ticket sales office, and Oettli argued there's ongoing issues with the building's ventilation system that could cost upwards of $20,000 to fix because it was never put in properly.

Runs were also altered – Dan's Descent becoming two times its previous width; Gold Rush was built, replacing what Oettli called one of the best tree runs the hill had, and the snowboard/freestyle park was built. The Games also brought increased snowmaking.

While many of the improvements were made with capital funds specifically coming from hosting the Games, Oettli said staff and the board are now dealing with the ongoing cost of operating all those bells and whistles.

"We get 30 per cent more runs to cover,” he said, pointing out that diesel costs a lot of money as does electricity.

"These are numbers we can't get away from,” Oettli said.

The facility has never received core funding, he said.

This isn't the first time the city has been faced with a request for an annual grant for the ski hill.

Even before the facility hosted the national event in 2007, annual operating funds were sought. In 2004, the GNSS (then under different board members) threatened to close the hill if an annual grant of $40,000 for operations and insurance costs wasn't approved by the city.

"It's a really important community thing,” Kate White, now the NDP MLA for Takhini-Kopper King, told council at the time, speaking on the importance of the ski hill.

While the city didn't provide the requested funding then, the hill was able to reopen the following winter. The hill was closed for the 2007/2008 season after the Games amid financial problems.

While the city has not provided a core operating grant to the hill, recreation grants have been doled out and money was redirected from the city's share of federal programs to pay $1.6 of the $3 million chairlift (that was previous to paying off the lift's debt) and $1.3 million for the start of summer operations last year.

Like many last night, Oettli argued its time for the decision makers to "buck up” and come to the table.

His statement was met with applause from the crowd.

Another supporter described her reasons for wanting the hill to stay open as "selfish.”

Her daughter, now 15, has been skiing pretty much since she could walk. Now a racer, she's begging to move to Fernie, B.C. if the hill closes so she can continue racing.

The woman noted that without facilities like Sima, there are many youth who may not return to Whitehorse after they leave the community to pursue post-secondary education.

If her plan to move to Fernie doesn't happen, the girl wants to play hockey which her mother has heard her refer to as a "council-approved sport.”

Over and over it was repeated in the crowd that the hill – like many throughout the country – can't operate without core funding.

In communities Outside, it was pointed out, municipalities provide core funding for their local ski hill and benefit from the sale and tax on land near the ski hill that residents want to purchase.

Other ideas brought forward at the meeting ranged from opening earlier in the season with one or two runs to start off rather than a later opening for the entire hill; having volunteers run equipment (which current board members noted can't be done due to worker's compensation legislation and insurance) and different models for pass sales.

It was Coun. John Streicker who suggested moving away from the current model which focuses on day pass sales to one that is more focused on the sale of season passes.

"I actually believe this is an important part of the solution,” he said.

Over the past week, Streicker conducted an informal survey on his Facebook page to find out how many people would be willing to prepay $500 for a season's pass if Sima were operating, with 193 stating they would.

One supporter indicated had she known last year that Sima was in financial trouble, she would have bought a season's pass rather than purchasing day passes to ski at the hill.

Both Streicker and Coun. Kirk Cameron spoke up at last night's meeting, clarifying a number of comments about the city. A number of other city officials were also on-hand.

With Streicker outlining the results of his survey, Cameron stressed that the city is taking steps to review its policies around recreation facilities.

After the meeting, Streicker said despite the challenges, it's clear there is a desire for the hill to keep going. He acknowledged too though that within the overall Whitehorse community, opinions differ on whether that support should come from the city.

The city is doing its best to protect the major asset of the hill as a solution comes forward, he said.

But as the current board begins the process of selling off certain assets that haven't been heavily used, supporters expressed their worry that once those items are gone there will be no getting them back.

As soon as Vincent reported the T-bar (which was purchased for the 2007 Games), its generator and two grooming components for a half pipe, arguments that the T-bar could be run rather than the chair lift to help reduce costs came up as did concerns that items would be sold at a fraction of what they're worth.

Vincent said the board looked at the assets that are not often used as the first items that would be sold off and found those four.

The T-bar hasn't been used for a few seasons and it's been some time since the hill has had a half pipe.

While the board is focusing on selling the items to get the debt paid off, those at last night's meeting split off into three groups to work on setting the stage for the hill's future with a goal of reopening.

The three groups will work on short-term funding, long-term funding and governance.

After the more formal part of the meeting, Northern Vision Development's Jenni Matchett said she and her co-worker Taylor Love would likely look at being involved with the short-term and long-term funding plans.

Northern Vision, she said, is interested in the community and facilities like Sima that can generate benefits for the area.

There's an opportunity for a more efficient operation and a need to be creative going forward, she said.

On a personal note, Matchett pointed out she and others who work for Northern Vision grew up skiing at Sima and want to see it continue to operate.

Comments (34)

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Joel on Jul 25, 2013 at 9:52 am

OK, let's do it this way since some people are interested in twisting the facts to make their statements.

Let's take the money that is used to subsidize the CGC and divide it based on the number of users that have used the CGC for the year (so we get a cost per user / per year) Then we multiply that number by the number of users at Sima. Then we have to divide by the number of sports that each facility provides to make it even.

Also, at some point, Sima should start paying to lease the land that they are using like everyone else has to do.

And to say it was not CoW tax dollars going to Sima is absurd. If CoW didn't reroute the Federal dollars from other areas to Sima, Sima would have gotten nothing. If CoW didn't reroute those dollars, they would have expired and gone back to the Feds, but that is another story.

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PL on Jul 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

The Mt Sima debate is hardly dead. In fact it is just starting to heat up.

Piers McDonald and his crew, i.e. Northern Vision Development, are stepping up to the plate. Piers is ex NDP. It is now time for the Yukon Party to come forth. The YP, i.e The good old boys club headed by a puppet (Darrell) is about to come forth and say.."We will support the ski hill."



Standby folks..it is only a matter of time before the YP bails this money pit out of the hole so that the good old boys can prosper.

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north_of_60 on Jul 24, 2013 at 9:40 am

Yeah, it's time to climb off this dead horse instead whipping it.

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Jackie Ward on Jul 24, 2013 at 5:31 am

Ugggh, why are we still talking about this?

MOUNT SIMA IS DEAD

Move on.

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Johnny on Jul 23, 2013 at 11:12 am

In response to Bigsky and other's who disagree with the high salary paid at Mt. Sima

http://yukon-news.com/news/Mt.-Simas-future-looking-grim/

Stockdale questioned why the group allotted $274,000 to three staff members, amounting to approximately $90,000 each. One of the group's members said that the amount was for full-time jobs.

- Please note the figures below came from the 2012 Financial Summary.

However if we want to ignore this let's look at it from another standpoint. Sima in 2012 made 2.2 million in revenue. Their salary and benefits paid was $581,492. That's 26% of their revenue before expenses towards just staff. From an operational standpoint this makes no sense. As a business operator this type of percentile in this one expense line makes no sense.

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Don McLaughlin on Jul 22, 2013 at 12:38 pm

Hockey Dad brings up some interesting points and some comparisons and contrasts that actually support Mount Sima. First, CoW tax money has been used to construct the hockey rinks so hockey has received a lot from CoW taxpayers.. The CGC ice surfaces were partially paid from Federal grants supporting the CWG's, the remainder was paid by CoW tax money. Sure, Mt Sima also got Federal grants to build the new daylodge and install the T-bar for the CWG's. The money that CoW advanced to GNSS to help pay for the new chairlift in 2011 came from the Federal taxpayers and not CoW taxpayers. I estimate the replacement value of Mt Sima to be in the range of 6 million dollars if you add up the value of lifts, daylodge, maintenance shop, grooming equipment, snowmaking equipment and the clearing and shaping the ski runs. Note, I haven't included the Wild Play summer facilities in this estimate. Over the years, CoW have used next to no taxpayer money to support or to help build Mt Sima.

I was a house league volunteer coach and hockey dad in Whitehorse for about 5 years when my son was in atoms and peewees until he decided snowboarding was more fun and I decided that bantam players were no fun. Yes hockey is expensive, about the same cost to ski or ride at Mt Sima. The difference is the protesters call the skiers and riders elitists and no cheques are coming from CoW taxpayers to help reduce their users fees. The users of the skating rinks only pay about 50% of the true cost of the management and operation of the skating rinks in their user fees. The CoW taxpayers pay the rest.

Like the skating rinks where no volunteers run the ice plants, Zamboni, run concessions or care take or manage the facilities, volunteers do not manage the facilities or operate grooming equipment, make snow or run the chairlifts at Mt Sima. Like hockey, volunteers run special programs for the competitive skiers and riders, volunteers run the ski patrol and I suspect they all fund raise to help support their activities as well. These special programs use Mt Sima's facilities but are not run by Mt Sima. Mt Sima does run the skiing and riding lessons with paid instructors for liability reasons. Unlike city facilities Mt Sima is overseen by a volunteer board and not costly city managers.

Now we are just comparing the skating use of the rinks with the winter use of Mt Sima. Get Over It has stated that there are over a thousand skaters involved in the various hockey programs and other skaters involved in figure skating, recreational skating and speed skaters. If the latter total more use than hockey, but I expect that hockey users outnumber the other skating users. So for argument sake lets assume a total 2000 skaters are using the rinks each season. I have totaled the winter season's lift pass revenue and divided that by an average daily rate per skier/rider and I come up with an annual usage rate of between 18-20,000 skier days. The industry standard for a community ski area is the average users will ski/ride 10 times a season. This results in a figure of between 1800 and 2000 people are skiing/riding Mt Sima, about the same total as skaters at the rinks. One advantage of Mt Sima is that it has lots of capacity to double or triple it's usage.

Since CoW taxpayers subsidize other popular winter sports and recreation I don't think that GNSS thought that they were out of line asking the CoW for some help.

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Andrew on Jul 22, 2013 at 10:37 am

Bigsky

Please discribe how other sports received $7 million of tax payer money.

Also describe how Paolo et al drew a salary.

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bigsky on Jul 22, 2013 at 7:13 am

Just to get you all up to speed, had you attended the meeting you would have found the real facts:

- there is no truth to the 3 manager positions earning $90K each - that's a myth

- the chalet has been open for rentals, generating revenue in the off season, for the summer for many seasons now and has hosted weddings, funerals, bbqs, birthday parties and many tourist groups use the facility for summer viewing, cycling and hiking.

- Sima was built by volunteers and operated in most of it's capacity by volunteers until it grew larger and until the insurance companies enforced liability of volunteers in the industry. Think about it - you can't have volunteers running the zambonies or treating the pool water - such tasks are not open to just anyone for good reason. It needs to be paid, certified employees folks.

- Being a board member of GNSS is not a paid position, it is filled with volunteers, as most boards are.

- Every sport organization that needs Sima is also run and organized by parents and volunteers, no different than any other sport organization in Yukon.

- the Wild Play operation was never ran for entire summer to gather its' full worth, however it had hosted many tourist and cadet groups this summer and was booking nearly full - but, again it will not be seen through for the summer.

- GNSS initially stated it would not be able to fund the larger hill when the games committee came demanding to host the event and insisted that Sima needed to grow, or Whitehorse would not be considered in the bid process. The City and committee did not listen to GNSS after many discussions on how Sima would survive with all the improvements needed to host the hill events for the games. The City turned a deaf ear to the GNSS concerns.

As for those who preach that hockey is paid by 100% the parents/members, please educate yourself... and you would find out that all ice/field time rented by minor hockey/soccer within the CGC is offered at a non-profit rate (reduced price), and that all programs and program costs are also subsidized 50% by the city taxpayers - so you do not pay for the full expense of operating that facility or that space that is rented.

In comparison to the ski/board athletes who pay for a season pass ($300+) to participate in their sport, as well as their registration fees ($800+ for alpine racers) and then they travel out for EVERY competition that they want to attend ($2000+ per trip) as there is nothing local for competition, and that most racers need; 2 pair of skis/bindings $600/pair and then add in boots($400), helmet($200+), and race suit ($300+). And you think hockey is expensive?? Looks like athletes in Sima dependant sports pay FAR MORE to participate in their sports than hockey or swimming or soccer. All Yukon sport organizations; soccer, hockey, gymnastics, swimming, skiing, boarding, etc however, do receive City recreation grants, along with Federal grants, so again hockey, not does any local sport organization pay for itself 100%.

Educate yourselves before making statements folks, it is your right and your responsibility, and you will be more respected for doing so.

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Brent on Jul 22, 2013 at 5:29 am

Northone wrote:

"Actually, the comparisons with hockey are perfectly valid."

Except the rinks are year round multi use facilties. Hockey, figure skating, public skating, speed skating, minor hockey, rec hockey, old timers, pucks n sticks, causal rentals, women's hockey, COW summer day camps, minor hockey camps, trade shows, charity/special events etc etc.

SIMA has skiing and boarding.

I'd be willing to bet that a week of people accessing COW rinks (for whatever use) exceed the entire year of users at SIMA.

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yukoner on Jul 22, 2013 at 1:35 am

MAC O seems like there is a lot of real tax payers here that don't want to pay. Shut it down

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taxpayer on Jul 21, 2013 at 9:04 am

Until GNSS is prepared to look at how every dollar is spent and make sure it is needed as well as looking at other creative ways to raise funds, they are destine to fail. No reasonable person is going to be keen to see them continue to look for handouts so long as they are not prepared to look in the mirror first.

I don't want to see the hill close but their needs to be a change in attitude with the GNSS and there needs to be a clean slate of the board to people interested in making this work and not just milking the taxpayers.

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north_of_60 on Jul 21, 2013 at 4:43 am

"Sima as a facility appears to be the only public recreational facility that does not receive O&M money from any level of government. "

What about golf courses? Similar seasonal situation to Sima, however they charge their users what it costs to run the facilities.

The GNSS wanted a free ride and outrageous salaries for their friends, all at taxpayer expense.

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Northone on Jul 20, 2013 at 10:54 am

Actually, the comparisons with hockey are perfectly valid. Hockey clubs pay for ice time but use rinks that receive ongoing O&M support from the City.

Sima as a facility appears to be the only public recreational facility that does not receive O&M money from any level of government. All the rinks, receive some core O&M money on an annual basis.

Don't confuse capital money to pay for fixed assets with O&M money to pay day to day costs. As far as I'm aware, no level of government has ever committed to provide Sima with ongoing O&M funding unlike all other public recreational facilities in the City receive.

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jaz on Jul 19, 2013 at 3:31 pm

100 "or so" out of 37 thousand plus yukoners? I say close the hill

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Get over it on Jul 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm

I agree with Hockey Dad.

Also there are well over a thousand hockey players in Whitehorse between minor hockey, rec, oldtimers, women's and FN Hockey. Those ice surfaces are multi use: speed skaters, charity events, casual skaters, figure skaters, trade shows, summer camps etc etc.

SIMAs business model is all wrong.

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Josey Wales on Jul 19, 2013 at 9:07 am

Hey North_of_60....

I suspect your smoking them at the range again...ANOTHER Robin Hood shot...two this week.

Or in other words, your damn right...I expect to see them involved soon too...those "developers"

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Hockey dad on Jul 19, 2013 at 5:00 am

Hockey is a "council-approved sport”?

Hardly. It is a user pay sport.

Q: How many millions in funding has hockey received from COW?

A: Zero

As a hockey parent I submit this:

In addition to the cost of gear which can range from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars registration fees are $600 for a house player in the regular season. A Rep player can be expected to pony up $8,000 for a season to cover travel, extra ice and tournament fees.

Summer camps are $300/week, more if you go Outside.

Guess who is paying for all that? Players, parents and sponsors. Bingos, raffles, grocery bagging, recycling drives and a million other ways to raise money for the sport. No cheques from COW, YG or Canada. Its all blood, sweat and tears. It is part of the character building aspect of the sport. It what makes hockey the greatest, truly grass roots sport in the country.

Nobody (that I am aware of) draws a salary for minor hockey in this town. The coaches, trainers and board members all volunteer for the betterment of the sport and the development of kids. It doesn't even occur to us as we load hockey gear into the truck at 40 below 7AM on a Saturday that the City should cut a fat cheque. We do it ourselves, with the help of some pretty awesome sponsors.

I personally think the SS Sima has sailed off into the sunset. I can't see it being viable given the sense of entitlement those representing Sima or the sport have. They need a serious culture shift in their way of thinking from the GNSS down to those just coming into the sport.

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north_of_60 on Jul 19, 2013 at 4:38 am

I suspect that a lot of this has been a well calculated ploy to get land around Mt Sima opened-up for development. It won't be too long before the developers get involved.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 19, 2013 at 2:58 am

It's Deja vu all over again.

Harken back to the early 80s when the cross country ski chalet came to be. The exact same pattern of 'Build it and they will come' promotion to justify the cost of building the facility with no business case beyond the competition-which went very well.

For years the place was a topic of debate on how to keep it going. The curling club and a few restaurant operations got involved and eventually it became the operation it is today.

These kinds of facilities require volume and regular patronage to stand on their own. In a community with 26,000 and all the other recreational options for residents to choose from, the math does not support a strong business case without some form of subsidy to keep the lights on.

Deal with the payroll issue first to reduce the operating budget and get some proper financial managers involved to consider a long-term strategy, then it might have a chance; but today it looks like a black hole to throw money in.

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SimaSupport on Jul 19, 2013 at 1:30 am

I suggest the facility on Sima be open/advertise for work events/conferences, weddings, holiday gatherings, birthday rental events etc. Open the main building to be used for other options aside from skiing. Could also make more effort to be in touch with tourist companies and programs to bring in outside users to the hill. Northern lights events, could have fundraiser events every few months just to get the community together. I feel that people running this operation lack taking a look outside the box for a better solution.

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Robert on Jul 19, 2013 at 12:10 am

Enough already! It looks like the discussion keeps coming back to core funding from the city. I agree with Melba until GNSS looks at ways to reduce costs by eliminating 3 highly paid manager positions there should be no further communication. The only way to resolve this is to hold a binding referendum. If the majority decides that there shall be no core funding provided to Mt. Sima then it's over.

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north_of_60 on Jul 18, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Lots of excuses, but nobody admitted that expensive, incompetent, mismanagement is the real cause of the Sima fail.

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June Jackson on Jul 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm

The current GNSS Board is going to hang on come hell or high water..and as long as they are hanging on not much will change, their problems will always be some one else's fault..they will harangue the City for handouts..all the rest of their contributors..what happened to them? GnSS had 8 million bucks last year..all readers go look at page 10 of their 2012 finance statement..

I would also like to know why GNSS was soooooo confident that the City was going to give them the 600 k and raise taxes and pour tax money into sima...there is something not right there..perhaps it's time for the Whitehorse Star to do some investigative reporting..

Striker..I will never vote for you again..you have taken a stand against a majority..if this is not right please correct me before the next election

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Josey Wales on Jul 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Please stay tuned whilst I grab my cyber-soapbox.

ahem...

Folks...it really is this simple IMHO.

Say they need $500K for this (fictitious Josey scenario) mess "of the day", all those folks need do is EACH toss $50K in the $$$ vacuum that is GNSS...and go skiing.

There, was that hard.

Other plans as that? I could see the CoW with all their gusto and ineptness turn it into a "city" facility. Complete with all the latest a ballooning bureaucracy requires.

I can see it now, staffing it with civic employees making $25-30 per hour complete with three weeks holidays and a full plate of gravy train benefits...to hand you a pair of skis from the rental dept.

...maybe adding chocolate powder into hot water to make a beverage outta it...

...let us not forget the chair lift operator, that has to be a $35-45 per hour gig(ity).

Ya'll get my point I hope?

We need a city run ski hill like we need big steel lock boxes for elitist bike snobs to park "their valuables" in, ah we do not!

Any lobbyists whom advocate for this are fools whom LOOOOOOOOVE taxes.

kinda like Arctic Dude @CBC and his "drop a blade" spiel...here is one I've droned on about too...

Terrace the dam hill and absolutely wedge as many condos on it as humanly possible (under the guise of having Japan like land scarcity) so that the new Whitehorse folks here will stop whining about being too spread out...too wildernessy...too hick and non Toronto like with their "inclusion" in our society being the paramount thing to concern ourselves with.

Or strip it completely and give it back to our critters to have some freaking peace away from us fools, as in destructive bipods

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I.P. Nitely on Jul 18, 2013 at 2:35 pm

I don't know why hockey has to be thrown around like a rag doll! Whitehorse Minor exists because it's the volunteers, the moms, dads, grandma's, grandpa's that devote the time, free of charge, to ensure costs are kept down. Sima is a different animal, our climate, in my opinion, is simply not conducive to making money. Days are short, days are cold, days are short and cold and this is when the lift is working and employees are still being paid. It requires some volunteer workers and some corporate funding period. I don't mind an increase in taxes however if that is the case then Whitehorse kids pay a certain rate and those from outside pay an increased rate.

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martin oreste on Jul 18, 2013 at 2:24 pm

I don't want my tax dollars to be spent there. Let users pay for it. Enough already!

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Geoff Capp on Jul 18, 2013 at 9:45 am

Melba, you give a valuable point that otherwise is not heard. Nobody is worth $90,000 a year when there are people struggling to make ends meet.

Maybe one manager at $40 or $50K to oversee the facility interests year round, the rest, $30 or $40K, prorated to the months that the hill is active.

And the hill should only be active when it is skiing season. Let the other activities come when there's a market for it and they PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

I don't think Whitehorsians would be too upset at a little help to keep a skiing facility open for... skiing, if the managers give of themselves. When the CPR was in trouble in 1884-85, the owners made sure they gave up their own wealth to help before asking for help from Sir John A.

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Mac O on Jul 18, 2013 at 9:45 am

Every snowboarder I've talked to, describes the tbar as painful after a while and a waste of money. Keep the lift and get rid of that useless skier-friendly tbar that only gives you access to 1/4 of the mountain. Pre purchasing season passes is not the way to go. I would rather pay 10-15 extra dollars per pass then risk buying a seasons pass and missing most of the season due to the possibility of cold weather. That Sima survey was a complete joke in my opinion and reminded me of the Canada Winter Games season when the hill was closed all winter. Yukoner- get lost and leave the tax payer talk to real tax payers.

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Jim on Jul 18, 2013 at 9:10 am

Sounds like people still aren't taking responsibility and making excuses. Canada Games might have put a strain but 100% the reason, I don't think so. What about the Monkido Adventure Park, that might have helped things along and all high paid manager positions. Everybody has to realize this is a small community hill, not a world class resort. If it costs too much to groom all the runs then don't. Here's another idea, only open the hill on Saturday and Sunday, because I'm sure Friday and Monday aren't money makers. So much that could and should have been done, but unfortunately it might be too late. Maybe a year off is needed to help people get their priorities straight.

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Johnny on Jul 18, 2013 at 9:06 am

At some point they will have to stop pointing the finger at others that their business didn't work. The leadership team needs to hold themselves accountable to the fact they weren't successful in their position. If they were, they would be spending more time on reviewing business options to make this work. Not continually bringing up factors of why they were not successful.

I've continually read comments about their high labor cost, and believe this is an issue. When you are a small business establishment and have a management structure and positions of a large business or at least by paying them as such. This is an issue. Why can't cost be cut by either making some of these management position seasonal or merging the management roles.

I agree it's a shame that the facility will no longer be available for use for a selected group of people, and even possibly attract people to come to the city. However needs and wants often should be evaluated when matters come down to financial numbers. I don't think these people fund raising is the the right way to fix issues. That is a short term band aid fix, it works this time. What about the future, to keep Mount Sima running it needs to be at a stage where it can be self sustaining but the leadership and their ideas is often fixated on now and not towards a long term business plan.

It's insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

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Was he there on Jul 18, 2013 at 8:44 am

Was Mr. Hougen there?

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skier on Jul 18, 2013 at 8:30 am

Again...now the hill is closed because of the Canada Games, because of the wind etc..... if they do not realize the big mistakes done and the poor decision in the past....they are still in the wrong way and they will waste money again and again.

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melba on Jul 18, 2013 at 8:21 am

Interesting. No mention of doing away with some of the 7 manager positions, including the 3 ninety thousand dollar a year jobs at a ski hill that is open 4 months a year.

My conclusion? GNSS is not at all serious about addressing the issues that have landed them in the hole. They are STILL asking for more money, while not taking a look at themselves for where they could cut costs.

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yukoner on Jul 18, 2013 at 7:23 am

close it down get over it tax payers don't want to pay and as long as its here the hands will always be out

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