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Samson Hartland
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Samson Hartland
A local resident doesn’t like what he’s seeing with the Yukon government’s new approach to selling residential lots in the city.
A local resident doesn’t like what he’s seeing with the Yukon government’s new approach to selling residential lots in the city.
The resident wishes to remain anonymous because of his position in the community.
Selling three single-family lots to the highest bidder with a minimum bid price could drive up the cost of residential land even further, he told the Star this week.
In one case, he points out, the government has set the minimum bid for an unserviced infill lot in Granger at $249,000.
Who knows, he asked, what it will go for, other than to the highest bid?
He pointed out the lot is not serviced with water and sewer lines.
That means the new owner will have to dig into the street pavement to hook up the water and sewer mains at a cost likely to exceed $30,000.
The owner will also have to bring in the power, and communications, he said.
He said he knows of friends who were interested in the lot – but have pulled back because they simply can’t afford the high costs involved.
“Typically, they have always done a lottery process for the lots,” he said.
He said he understands the price of land is going up, but the government here should be doing what it can to hold down escalating prices – not inflating them with bidding contests.
Marc Perreault, the president of the Yukon Real Estate Association, said he was not able to comment this morning because he didn’t know the government is using a bid process instead of a lottery, but he was surprised.
Selling residential land to the highest bidder can drive up the price of land overall, he said.
Coun. Samson Hartland told the Star he was not aware of the Yukon government’s decision to use a bidding process to sell five of seven infill lots.
The city continues to struggle with providing affordable housing, he pointed out. Selling residential land to the highest bidder runs contrary to keeping the price of land within reach, he said.
Hartland said it could be argued a bid process is appropriate for the larger, five-hectare lot in Hidden Valley that has an upset price of $1,029,000.
There is the potential for developers to be innovative with subdivision plans and so forth that make it more of a commercial venture, he suggested.
But selling the three single-family lots to the highest bidder does not meet the same test, Hartland said.
Colin McDowell, director of the land management branch, said the decision to use a bid process for the three urban residential lots was to establish a pilot project to see the response from the private sector and local contractors.
All three lots, he pointed out, are large enough to support more than just a single-family home; they are large enough for duplexes or even triplexes.
The government has used a bid process in the past to sell commercial and multi-residential lots, he pointed out.
He said a bid process is commonly used to sell residential properties down south.
Staff with both his Department of Energy, Mines and Resources and Community Services decided it was the right step to implement a pilot program to test the private sector development capacity in Whitehorse, McDowell said.
He said the market value for each lot was established by a professional appraiser.
Mike Gau, the city’s director of development services, said today city staff were aware the government was contemplating using a bid process to sell the land.
The tender for five of the infill lots and the lottery for two country residential lots will close Tuesday.
The seven lots are as follows:
• The Granger lot at 119 Wilson Drive is 1,160 square metres, or 12,486 square feet, and is unserviced.
The minimum bid price is $249,000 before the GST, with a requirement to build in three years. By comparison, the largest of the Whistle Bend properties were 912 square metres, or 9,817 square feet, and sold for $194,649 before the GST;
• The Porter Creek lot at 42 14th Ave. is 1,580 square metres, or 17,000 square feet, and is unserviced. The minimum bid price is $227,000, with a three-year build requirement;
• The Porter Creek lot at 67 Wann Rd. is 2,480 square metres, or 26,695 square feet, and is unserviced. The minimum bid price is $249,000, with a three-year build requirement;
• The Logan lot at 6 Finch Cres. is 3,860 square metres, or 41,550 square feet, and is unserviced. The minimum bid is $911,000;
• The Hidden Valley lot at 48 Couch Rd. is five hectares, with a minimum bid price of $1.03 million;
• The Cowley Creek country residential lot at 55 Salmon Trail is 1.03 hectares. It is being sold through a lottery for a price of $209,000.
• The Cowley Creek lot at 59 Salmon Trail is 1.05 hectares. It is being sold through a lottery for a price of $212,000.
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Comments (26)
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Once upon a time, it was cost-plus on May 9, 2019 at 4:29 pm
...and then lots were priced based on 'market value'. Once that changed, there was no going back. But as long as there are buyers at these outrageous prices, there's no incentive to change. A building lot, like most things, is worth whatever someone is willing to pay
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Frank Michigan on May 8, 2019 at 11:21 pm
If the trolley is gone and Carnival is not planning to run trains to Whitehorse what is the value of the land along the railway right of way?
Is something going on here?
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My Opinion on May 8, 2019 at 10:13 pm
@Insane
All that land is gone man. Check out all the land claims maps.
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Wilf Land development cost on May 8, 2019 at 9:52 am
YTG will not supply me or Yukoners the break down cost of land development. Why is that, resident of Whitehorse?
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YT on May 8, 2019 at 9:32 am
One area that should be looked at for residential development is the land the Whitehorse Cross Country Ski Club trails utilize.
The trails in the Copper trail area as well as the Selwyns loop area sit on some prime real estate for a new subdivision. You could fit another Copper Ridge and Grainger into these areas. They are flat, close to existing infrastructure, major arteries in place. It would increase density close to the downtown core.
In return, relocate the WCCSC out to Mt. Sima area, develop the new trails to modern race standards, build a new single purpose club facility.
The area is higher so better snow longer, close to snow making infrastructure at Sima, kids could go to Sima while adults go for an XC ski. Facilities could share grooming resources.
Could be a win/win.
BTW, Im a XC skier and have been a member of the WCCSC forever....
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Insane on May 7, 2019 at 9:23 am
This is the Yukon. These prices are absurd. Drive 2 minutes outside of town, look at the vast landscape and the amount of land. Federal government needs to get on board and start designating some more land. There is what, 30,000 people in Whitehorse at best? This article reads like a housing and land shortage of some congested place down south. Wake up you are being had. Look at some other places in Canada, there is no reason other than the greed & supply versus demand that would justify $250k for an unserviced lot. Remember the good old days of early 2000's where a house downtown was under $200k, I do. Don't let this spin out of control, it already has spun but there is still a chance, you leave it be and the affordability index will become that of the lower mainland of BC if left unchecked.
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Gringo on May 6, 2019 at 4:44 pm
@Click Bait....oh the devils in the details eh! Gonna get 5 lots for $250 grand, look around this is not Saskatchewan. Let’s look at the parcel on Finch and Falcon min bid $911,000 plus gst. It MIGHT make 5 lots so that’s $200 grand per lot BUT that does not include scrubbing of the lots, surveys and water and sewer hook up. Won’t be a 5 plex either cause it’s residence restricted. No social housing happening here. Welcome to COW!
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Canadian guy on May 6, 2019 at 2:41 pm
@doug with his preferred rates for long term Yukoners. Dude, give your head a shake. This territory has taken WAY more than it’s given. Your budget for decades has been a welfare budget. If you want fair share, sure let’s go down that road. Maybe all the taxpayers who supplement the Yukon should own a piece of it. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks. Pay for your own roads, hospitals, airports, electricity then start espousing Yukon Nationalism, until then, sit down, and keep cashing the billion dollar cheque from Ottawa. If they ever pulled that, not only would half your gov jobs disappear, but so would 3/4s of the private busnesses that LONG TERM YUKONERs own and have been feeding from the teet since the beginning.
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Politico on May 6, 2019 at 2:13 pm
Of course if the City and YTG weren't getting the most money for the lots Sampson and the YP would be up in arms accusing the parties of wasting government money. Nice that no matter what the City and Government decide they can be criticized.
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Northern knight on May 6, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Lot of nonsense in these comments. ‘The bank will go broke and lose your money like in Greece ‘. Wrong. Feds insure your first $100,000 in every account. ‘Let’s only let long time Yukon’s buy or bid on land’. Yah, right, that will really fly by the first court challenge. Not.
Sorry folks. It is called capitalism and that is how it works. If you can’t afford it, tough. No one owes you a house or a living. If you don’t like the government, then do some work and get them voted out.
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Will on May 6, 2019 at 8:24 am
@click bait article
I think you're getting confused here, none of the lots that could support 5+ dwelling units are priced at $250k. The lots priced at $250k are about the same size as their neighboring lots. There is one lot that is indeed quite large and could support 5+ dwelling units but it has a minimum bidding price of $911,000. Even if you put 5 units on this lot it would still work out to $182k per unit.
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Darren Kinvig on May 6, 2019 at 6:12 am
This is ridiculous. This approach drives prices through the roof. Increases all costs including rentals. My children born and raised Yukoners struggle to stay here in the Yukon because of these outrageous costs. Very tough on young people who want to stay in the Yukon. How can they get their first home, find a rental they can afford? It’s getting out of hand.
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Josey Wales on May 5, 2019 at 6:09 pm
Hey clickbait claim...stick with the program you say? Okay, I will.
You must be a CoW newbie, as you think those lil wee lots ...the land barons “sell us” THEE standard? Well CB they are not, they are a result of City planners squuuuueeeezing in as many tiny lots as possible.
Why? Because over the years they have been chanting like cult members how we must subscribe to “densification”,
“reduce our footprint...to slow climate change”, “diversify” our traditional way of life...cuz climate change, etc.
Nobody is “permitted” to have an actual yard. That is unless you buy a gigantic house with tax money, as the lords did with their new AND embroiled in epic epic controversy “group home”.
Have you seen their backyard CB, on Wann Rd...have you? You could host a CFL game in just the backyard CB, seriously you could.
Between various Yukon governments and lather, rinse, repeat civic ones over the years, greedy land barons I suggest they truly are given their history. We are not some wee spit of land in the ocean, not Japan either, nor are we Toronto. This is the Yukon Territories a great wiiiiide open space.
However we use our dirt to create serious class warfare, got heaps to give away to ski clubs, sailing clubs, pay the white guilt fund, culture clubs, and backroom deals...lots of it for those things!
All of it is by both design and incompetence, as our lords could care less about the little folks...except when a laughable election comes.
Development cost are huge because we must fund study after study, have equity bush cleared with government union wages, recoup serious incompetence such as the mess in PooVille...known to you certain as Whistle Bend.
Said it so many times prior, our civic lords and their counterparts in the other layers of lordships could not plan a birthday party or a freaking picnic without costs EEEEEXXXPLOOOODING after everyone gets “their cut”.
After the smoke clears, the cronies paid off, the guilt fund factored in, the “mistakes” redone, and redone again, materials laundered, the lords pockets lined etc...”we get what we have here today” CHL
THAT...is the program!
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Juniper Jackson on May 5, 2019 at 2:10 pm
My idea of affordable housing is apparently a lot different than politician's and builders. $250k just for the lot, at least double that? for a home? yikes Batman.. I have 3 little pensions and 2 jobs and I still can't afford anyone's idea of reasonable. I'd like to have no jobs and move into senior housing, but, they take 25% of your gross.. you don't even have that money..Yukon Housing should take 25% AFTER taxes..that's the money you actually have, for that money, you get no pet, no garden, no privacy, your apt is a mile from your car, IF there is a parking space for it.. all of that is to discourage everyone..except..career welfare folks..
There are way more of us who can't afford a roof than those who can. I sacrifice to pay for my roof..no TV, no cell phone, no perks on my landline, canned food..but still happy to have a warm place to sleep at night. I know many other seniors that sacrifice.. I worry about one that doesn't pay for her medicine when money is short.
Eventually, i think it's all going to collapse. Fortunately for the banks, they have the right to take all your money.. yes they do..https://bmg-group.com/bail-lose-money-bank/ and issue you 'bank shares'..like we all want to run out and buy shares in a failing bank. But the bottom line is your money is gone. (That's what happened in Greece btw.) Your money in the bank? that isn't your money..you gave it to the bank in savings or whatever.. it's the banks money.. that amount is how much the bank owes you.. if the bank has too many mortgages out and can't cover their losses.. you lose all your money...AND your house.. Perhaps government and city should look at real affordable housing at a price people can pay without any small, or large..sacrifices.
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click bait article on May 5, 2019 at 11:19 am
These lots are up to 5x the size of a standard city lot! Paying $250,000 for 'five lots', is not at all unreasonable.
Also, selling to the highest bidder is the only way to establish the real value of the lot. Otherwise it is just a jack-pot lottery for the person who 'wins' the lottery and gets to select a lot for a fraction of what they in turn can and will turn around and sell it for.
Stay with the same program. The intro is misleading because these are not typical lots. They are enormous, and in fact $250,000 for the equivalent of 5 lots is very inexpensive. Thanks for the tip that they are coming up for sale.
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Max Mack on May 4, 2019 at 4:07 pm
I also question why government is selling these lots on a "highest-bid" basis, unlike a lottery basis. This will almost certainly put these lots out of reach of the common folk. And, perhaps that is the goal.
The saving grace, if you can call it that, is that these lots are orders of magnitude larger than, say, a typical 6000 sq. ft. Riverdale lot.
Bidders may hope to subdivide these properties to make a profit or build multiple residences to produce a separate income stream.
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Wilf on May 4, 2019 at 3:33 pm
AS someone who was with land development in the Yukon and across Canada for many years, this Yukon Government does not have a clue about land development and are hurting our people from ever owning a home. Sandy tell Yukoners what you are going to do about it?
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doug on May 4, 2019 at 3:31 pm
There is so much greed here in Whitehorse. Governments no longer work for the long time Yukoner. We have been sold out to greedy investors and contractors. Long time Yukoner's, say 20 plus years here, should ALWAYS have first dibs on ANY land offer over any short time Yukoner, and at a reasonable discount price. After the long timers have had their chance then any lot available can be sold to others but for a much more inflated price. Long time Yukoners are more likely to retire here and continue to feed the economy. Too many come here to rape the YUKON of what they can get, Change the rules , drive up costs due to their greed and then leave after 4 or 5 years adding little to our economy.
When will the Yukon and Whitehorse start to look out for those who want to LIVE here for the long Haul. Most of us can't afford housing here any more. Government sucks.
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Wilf on May 4, 2019 at 3:29 pm
I emailed the minister of community services John S and asked him to supply me a break down of the cost of the lots. All he sent me was site that showed the price of the lots. He does not understand land development at all. No wonder City of Whitehorse costs are so high from his time there. Yukoners do you like paying $250,000 for a lot of land plus GST?
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Jayne W on May 4, 2019 at 3:24 pm
Quote from Mayor Dan Curtis:
We have a steadily growing population that requires additional housing, so we are looking forward to seeing the interest for these newly released parcels. We hope that by making new lots available, this will help ease housing price escalation and keep homes affordable for families.
City of Whitehorse Mayor Dan Curtis
Did anyone actually think this infill would create reasonably priced lots, give your head a shake if you did. Many of us stated this fact. They should of waited till they had a larger surplus of lots available and then get them out on the market at lower competitive costs, give our growing younger population a chance to be home owners. Now COW and YTG are going to profit one lot at a time and keep the prices driven up. Cowley Creek aprox 2.5 acres 212K plus septic and well. I live in CR and own over 4.5 acres, wonder what that is worth now? Has anyone ATIP infill with YTG lately, you think they are done filling in the little holes.... I think poor Cowley is next to get hit again. Tetra Tech does think the south side of the current development can be used as well. Oh and remember the old Speedway area.... just build a small road and boom five more lots.
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Greicko on May 4, 2019 at 3:08 pm
The Yukon Government should cease and desist this money grab right now. They have no business being an accessory to the already inflated house prices. Who is in charge of this ridiculousness?
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Tina on May 4, 2019 at 10:44 am
Government controls the land and is not supposed to profit from it. The cost to develop/service is what it should be sold for and not auctioned off to the highest bidder. No wonder people can't afford homes and are house-poor, the cost of the land is more than half the price of the house!
Not everyone wants multi/hi-density housing. Families want a single family home with a yard.
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Wil on May 4, 2019 at 10:27 am
Colin McDowell said "a bid process is commonly used to sell residential properties down south" - That's because down south the vast majority of lots are developed by private companies who are in it to make money. If it were a private developer selling these lots it would make sense from a business point of view for them to sell them to the highest bidder, but it doesn't seem right for the Government to be doing it as the purpose of the Government is not to make a profit.
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BnR on May 4, 2019 at 8:14 am
$220k for those infills out at Cowley? What were those in the ‘90s, $20k?
And the gov hasn’t had to do a thing.
Put the infills out to lottery for young people who are FROM HERE, not to well heeled southerners or developers.
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Gringo on May 3, 2019 at 9:12 pm
Look no further than our trusted govie to understand why our kids can not afford to move out.
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Mr M on May 3, 2019 at 6:21 pm
Holy crap how are the younger generation supposed to afford a place? I guess the rich keep getting richer and the poor stay poor and pay high rental prices to the rich. Somebody is making a lot of money. You have to win the lottery in order to even enter the lottery for these lots.