Photo by Whitehorse Star
Rob Fendrick
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Rob Fendrick
Whether the Mount Sima recreational facility stays open or shuts down, city taxpayers could be on the hook for more than $460,000.
Whether the Mount Sima recreational facility stays open or shuts down, city taxpayers could be on the hook for more than $460,000.
At Monday's city council meeting, city staff brought forward three potential scenarios on Sima's future.
The hill's operators – the Great Northern Ski Society (GNSS) – approached council earlier this year seeking $400,000 in short-term funding to keep the hill running this year.
They also asked for the development of a long-term plan that could have seen city funding in the $400,000 range annually.
While the GNSS operates the hill, under its lease with the city for the land, if the lease is broken, the fixed assets are turned over to the city.
Council didn't come forward with the money, but was heavily involved in the closed-door Sima Summit stakeholder meetings that followed.
During that process, the territory said it would pay off the debt owed on the chair lift, now estimated at $192,221 in total including interest charges, provided the hill opens for the ski and snowboard season next winter.
After the second summit meeting, the GNSS came back with the plan that would see the city fund more than $600,000.
That was the first scenario outlined in the report to council last night. It proposes that in addition to the $622,221 the city would provide this year to cover outstanding debts, what is owed to WildPlay for last year's shortfall on the summer activities, working capital to cover payroll and other ongoing expenses, there is a projected annual shortfall of $268,000 to also be covered each year.
The second scenario would cost $549,921 and see the hill close for at least one season in an effort to avoid any further debt while still allowing the community to generate a way of seeing the hill open down the road.
In addition to spending $192,221 to pay off the debt on the chair lift, there would be:
• a $187,700 cost for security, maintenance, insurance and wind down;
• the outstanding $170,000 in debt; and
• unknown legal costs that could come from breaking the 10-year lease agreement with WildPlay.
Under that arrangement too, the GNSS may or may not dissolve, it was noted.
"There is potential revenue from the public if support for the ski hill in the future is secured,” it's noted of that scenario. "If GNSS dissolves, then administrative burden will likely fall on city staff.”
The final scenario would see the hill closed and the assets sold off.
The GNSS would dissolve at a cost of $462,221 to the city.
That would include paying off the debt on the chair lift, $75,000 to maintain the lodge in a dormant state and $170,000 to pay off the outstanding debts. For the GNSS to dissolve, it cannot be in debt under the Societies Act.
As in the second scenario, there would also be the unknown costs of breaking the lease with WildPlay.
Under that scenario, there is the potential to recoup some of the costs through the sale of assets.
The report also stated that selling any government-funded assets may require consultations and approval from the funding providers, depending on what the terms of the financial contributions were.
There would be some ongoing costs to maintaining the facility in a dormant state as well as staff resources required to manage the closure process, staff noted.
City resources are already going to staffing the hill.
The city is paying for 2 1/2 full-time equivalent positions for hill maintenance at a cost of $8,000 per month.
It also has an accountant on contract to manage Sima's books at a cost of $2,500 to the city each month.
Rob Fendrick, the city's director of corporate services, said after the last Sima Summit the decision to provide the funding for the work in the short-term was made as a "stopgap” until there was some direction on the hill's future.
The move ensures the hill's assets are protected and there is continuity in the hill's books until a direction is decided.
The funding for the positions is within the threshold that a vote by council isn't required, it was noted by Linda Rapp, the director of community and recreation services.
Council was advised of the funding for the positions, Fendrick said.
A direction will be better known next week. That's when council votes on whether to accept or reject the ski society's plan and amend the budget to pay off the chair lift debt from the general reserve.
As a number of council members pointed out during discussion last night, it will not be up to the city to decide Sima's fate.
Rather, the city's decision will be whether to accept the plan the GNSS has brought forward.
From there, it will be up to the GNSS to decide how to proceed.
Society officials have said if the more than $600,000 isn't found by Friday, the board will begin the process of dissolving the society.
Acting city manager Brian Crist pointed out the three scenarios put to council were there for cost comparison.
He noted members had requested that following a council and senior management meeting on the Sima issue.
The question for council, he said, is whether to accept the society's plan, which would provide the more than $600,000.
Coun. Kirk Cameron questioned whether another option for the city could be to say no to Sima's plan and not pay off the lift.
He questioned whether there is a scenario where Sima could be left in a dormant state with little or no cost to the taxpayer.
Fencing could be put up with an "at your own risk” warning, he argued. It would allow some time to regroup and talk to citizens and possibly look at using the lodge for other purposes such as renting it out for events and the like, he added.
As Rapp pointed out though, the cost of maintaining the facility in a dormant state is included in the third scenario, which contemplates the complete shutdown so there'd be no damage to the facility.
Coun. John Streicker asked whether the city would get more value selling off the lift as a whole or in pieces.
Fendrick noted the lift was custom-built (with the city having provided $1.6 million of the $3-million total) and would be better suited to a smaller ski/snowboard facility with the city likely to get better value if it was sold as a whole.
Based on the experience with the city's previous lift, he said, when it's sold in pieces, you don't always end up selling all the parts.
Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu then noted if the city doesn't pay off the debt on the lift and the hill shuts down, creditors could end up selling off the lift piece by piece to get their money quicker.
Saying she would rather see the city get the value for the lift, Curteanu went on to suggest that if the society doesn't dissolve, the city could lend the money to the GNSS and charge interest. If the hill ends up making it, she noted, the city would end up getting its money back.
As Mayor Dan Curtis then noted, the lift is the ski society's asset as it stands right now.
As such, it will be up to the society to decide how to proceed after council votes on whether to accept its plan next week. He encouraged his fellow council members to stay focused on that.
While the vote isn't until next week, Coun. Dave Stockdale has been the only member to express his support for funding to the hill to keep it open.
There were no presentations from the ski society nor Sima users and supporters at last night's meeting.
Shortly before noon today, a GNSS spokeswoman provided the Star with the name of a representative to comment on the next step, but that person was unavailable.
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Comments (46)
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To Mr. Johnson on Jun 26, 2013 at 1:09 am
... so because you can't fly out to Whistler you deserve a ski hill here ... try connecting the dots in your own statements.
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Squeezed on Jun 25, 2013 at 7:43 am
Yukonlinda, can I assume you don't live in Whitehorse? While a lot of funding for CGC and other facilities comes from territorial or federal sources, most O&M does not to my knowledge. Residents of Whitehorse have seen our personal tax rates go up numerous times to support CGC and Whitehorse Transit for example. In six years my Whitehorse property tax bill has increased by $800 per year already, and that's on a very modest home. I and others cannot afford to fund ever increasing sports facilities. Maybe you read that electricity bills are going up by $36 per thousand kilowatt hours as well. People are getting seriously squeezed by all these increases and are having trouble putting ever more expensive groceries on the table for our families as well. We cannot afford to fund this ski hill, period. I want to feed my family instead!
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yukonlinda on Jun 24, 2013 at 8:54 am
You do all realize that our whole territory is just a "welfare state" surviving off of other Canadian's tax dollars right? The feds push money to YTG and YTG pushes a lot of the COW's money to them. Does it really matter which sports get subsidized out of that money? You can't tell me that the CGC can stand on it's own two feet with just the money it brings in!
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pamela holmes on Jun 22, 2013 at 7:57 am
I'd like to see the numbers separated out for the wildplay part of the equation and the Sima part of the equation. Now my memory is a bit slippery these days, but I seem to recall a big announcement of funding from the (so called conservative)federal government with representatives of the Sima board and federal politicians with photo op etc. perhaps the Whitehorse Star could refresh us on the details. How much of this problem is due to the wildplay portion of the equation that seemed to have no business plan and no input from the city or residents? Who exactly is/was responsible for this expensive wildplay detour?
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matthew johnson on Jun 22, 2013 at 5:08 am
Hey Pelly feel free to move to Whitehorse and pay city taxes. I bought my truck that I use to get to Sima. Not sure what your point is? But maybe you hit on something perhaps Sima should sell the unused t bar to the Pelly band and start a little hill I would make some trips to Pelly!
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Faroite on Jun 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Been in the Yukon 20 years and still don't know where Sima is and still don't care. But call display would be welcomed, so would be high speed internet and it would be nice to do away with the "no name " brand at brand name price. What about raising the KWH rate rebate to 2000 before suffering an increase. How about yukon health "allowing" you to see a cardiologist "BEFORE" you get the heart attack? I can sit here and think of a million things that really need to improve in order to enhance our quality of life. Mt Sima isn't one of them.
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north_of_60 on Jun 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Now that the facts are emerging it seems obvious that the management and labor costs to run this seasonal facility are extraordinarily large and that the management has been clearly demonstrating their incompetence by not charging users enough to pay for the operation of the facility.
Once again a volunteer organization mismanages it's finances and expect the City [ie. taxpayers] to bail them out.
NO, not any more. It's time to hit the reset button on this money pit.
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Sam Finnigan on Jun 21, 2013 at 5:24 am
I have thought this through folks.
I strongly disagree with Whitehorse Liz and others who want to drop this facility or suggest SIMA users pony up $1000 each. What nonsense.
SIMA's request includes a projected loss this coming winter which may not happen or may not be as bad as projected. They are asking for 1.1 million over the next 2 years but its fluid and it also involves a projected loss.
The City should pay the @192,000 to pay for the lift and pay off the remaining debt. This rounds up to around $400,000.
The City should then become more involved in a one winter season operational plan for the ski hill. They certainly will be able to get their investment back and it provides breathing room.
City staff should be involved in some aspects of the lift and the operation and booking of the chalet.
This facility if too good to lose and it makes sense for the city to support it for a few years to finally get the right combination of staff and wages, program delivery and revenue generation.
Many people who rent get to use city facilities without paying taxes and many people pay taxes for sports facilities they do not use. Its part of living in a city.
So, Whitehorse Liz and others- pay your taxes and let the city administration commit around $500,000 over the next year to keep this facility operational.
The City can always cut funding for discretionary projects and save money here and there to make it work. Lets Support SIMA- Non hill users can be treated to a free ride on the lift in the spring. This facility was developed on the backs of committed volunteers- we have a great facility its just fine tuning required to make it profitable.
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DMZ on Jun 21, 2013 at 2:42 am
I agree with Matthew Johnson way up there. If Sima has to fold, it will be a casualty of the inflated rhetoric and expectations around the economy, most evident in the development for the Canada Games. Few people, if any, at the City of Whitehorse or the Yukon government, were preaching caution back then.
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flyingfur on Jun 20, 2013 at 3:35 am
Why do we as taxpayers end up holding the bag on this? The folks from Mount Sima should be feeling this pain and not the average person from Whitehorse who already pays enough taxes...this is BS.
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not overweight and say bye bye Sima on Jun 20, 2013 at 2:36 am
@Andrew: You self-proclaim yourself as someone who is just "the friendly version which is rare in these parts apparently."
Then you proceed to call out seniors and overweight people? Sounds like you are one of the few elitists who use the hill and don't like what you're hearing by other tax-paying Whitehorse residents.
"Pro Sima users need a massive rally and I guarantee more young adults would show up for the ski hill then they would a federal or territorial election" -- Yeah right... And if that is what you truly believe then where are all these young people now? When the Society needs to be raising money to keep the doors open? No, 'fraid not. The young people of today want the fun without the work, and unless there is something in it for them (much like GNSS), volunteering is not something that most young people who use the skill hill want to do with their time - they want to ski.
Perhaps rather than sitting in front of your computer bashing other people expressing their opinion, you should find a new hobby like volunteering for your favorite non-profit, after all it's just "chump change" for you anyway.
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bobby bitman on Jun 20, 2013 at 1:29 am
According to Andrew, the millions sought over the past 3 years, and the $622,000 sought for the rest of this year is 'chump change'. Also, people who object to the waste and excesses that are the norm at Mt. Sima are 'unfriendly'. Oh, and Andrew is 'better than' all of us negative people.
It is absolutely astounding how blithely the Mt. Sima supporters demand that other tax payers continue to shovel money in their direction. No appreciation, no recognition that things could be done more economically.
This attitude has to go if the ski hill is to survive. Recent history has Mt. Sima getting an average of $1 million a year, for less than 1000 members. That is a subsidy of $1000 per member of the ski hill for a 4 month season, which is absolutely ridiculous. You do not see members of local private gyms getting one dime of subsidy. Why should these kind of subsidies be the norm for ski society members?!
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Max Mack on Jun 19, 2013 at 4:47 pm
The faux dollar amounts being thrown at us are just another attempt to force us to swallow funding for Mt Sima. I call b.s.
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Clive Wailin on Jun 19, 2013 at 3:26 pm
It never fails that those with no argument mock and denigrate those who protest funding a poorly managed money pit with NO business plan (making more money and reducing expenses is NOT a plan).
@ B. Foster - labelling those who want this money siphon stopped b/c we are whiners is childish name calling. You then state management is poor and has lost many great staff with great ideas. That is what we are "whining" about, the GNSS has driven the hill into the ground. I have no problem with a community hill, but where is the grassroots fundraising support? If the kids need this hill so much - where are the parents and kids out bagging groceries, selling cookies, washing cars etc?!?
@ Andrew - pro Sima users need more than a rally for taxpayer money, they need to go out and raise money like other sports and clubs. To accuse people who don't want their tax dollars hiked (food bank use is up, retirees are on a fixed income) but no, those are negative unfriendly tax payers.
Give your head a shake. If you have a cogent argument, put it forward. If you have a business plan that doesn't involve the City money, let's hear it. How do other places keep their community hills open?
Is it suspect that the salaries for hill maintenance is below the threshold where a vote from council is needed? Does it really cost $20K/ month to maintain the hill in summer, or does someone have a great paying summer job? Sorry to be cynical, but nepotism is hardly a foreign concept in Whitehorse.
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Jackie Ward on Jun 19, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Oh yes Andrew, a rally, lol. You can wear little party hats and throw streamers.
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Mr. Johnson on Jun 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm
... I live in Pelly and want to snowboard but can't get to Whitehorse so I should have the same opportunity here ... right? or at the very least buy me a car so I can get to Whitehorse. You know what? You don't always get want you want in life ... suck it up.
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north_of_60 on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:52 pm
If your hobby is skiing/snowboarding then expect to pay for maintaining the facility out of your pocket, not mine. Golf courses get funded by members, your ski facility should be the same. Fund it yourselves to the level of luxury you wish.
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Whitehorse Liz on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Andrew here's an idea for you. Find 621 people who feel the way you do and each pony up $1000 to support Sima, do that every year and it will stay open. That's chump change to anyone who feels as strongly about it as you do and just can't get by without downhill skiing.
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Need facilities in Whse on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:49 am
Living in the Yukon where the summer is so short and we have long winters, it seems totally nutty that this place would shut down the ski hill??? seriously! Ya we lose some days for weather but hey... um... winter sports!!! Good times! Fresh air, outside, exercise!!! This is an outdoor location year round... and we are going to shut down our ski hill ???
The Canada Games Centre is awesome, so are all the arenas as well as McMac! All places that in my opinion makes life livable up here! With the olympics having snowboarding and slope style skiing in the next games, I suspect there will be a generation motivated to take up these sports and with the success of our local athletes in the past few years it would put us back years in our athlete development; some in fact will move away to continue to train.
My point is there has to be great facilities for the Yukon people to enjoy! Holy crap our winters are long! I say they charge 7.50 per person just like CGC and I bet there will be way more attendance and provide the exact same subsidy that CGC, Mt Mac as well as the arena's get. I suspect taxes don't have to go up at all as there is so much waste in other areas I am sure it will be easy to find the difference. Maybe all the nay sayers are the boomers that spend the winters in Florida anyway and don't care about what happens here in YT. Seriously. I don't get it.
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For Real? on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:46 am
@ Andrew: Here's an even better idea for you. How about everybody that uses the hill and so desperately supports it puts their money where their mouth is and pays to keep it open. And that was a real classy put down on seniors and everyday Whitehorse residents you made, seems like you demonstrate to a T the elitist attitude people already associate with Sima and GNSS.
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B Thompson on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:32 am
I get it, this is not a good situation that is hard for the taxpayer to accept including myself, despite being a Sima user and supporter. Before beating on Sima, we need to understand how much is the City supporting other recreational services operated by the City; are they funded wholly by user fees? The 2012 revised budget on the City web site shows a line item expenditure for recreational and facility services of $7.0M v. revenues of $2.9M, with operations contributing another $1.1 M in expenditures, equating to about a 40% cost recovery system, or $5M taxpayer costs per year to run. If this is the case, maybe its time the City consider raising user fees on some services like the CGC. Personally, I would not want to see this and don't mind paying additional taxes to support the recreation services due to the good it does for the community.
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bobby bitman on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:54 am
Seven managers for a hill that is open 4 months a year, and a zipline that's open 4 months a year.
I could go on but I have said it over and over after other articles.
Bottom line, there are some extremely wasteful people running the show at Mt Sima and it did not need to be this way. I as a tax payer strenuously object to being held hostage by more threats from the Mt. Sima board, this time that, hey, it's only going to cost me $72,000 more to give them another $622,000; because they decided that it will cost $550,000 to shut the hill down.
Say what? Says who?
Done with the threats and the irresponsible spending, the big salaries, the seven managers, the 3 million dollar chair lift.
Should have stayed with a tow rope or whatever the membership could reasonably afford. Greedy people for whom only the best will do (so long as others are paying for it), will never be satisfied. Time to say NO!
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Deep Six The Hill on Jun 19, 2013 at 9:29 am
Many people who I talk to who say "enough is enough" are not couch potatoes, are not negative, are not down on Whitehorse Youth ... in fact they are engaged and responsible citizens of this community. The problem for them is that this "project" is unsustainable and has been since the start. It was started by folks that one would consider relatively well heeled and continued by people with "special interest" in its success. In fact how can someone sit on the Board when there is clearly a conflict of interest demonstrates what possibly the real story is. If they want the Hill then let them fund the Hill rather than expecting others to do it. But ... we all know Council will fold to pressure from the Wizard behind the curtain.
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matthew johnson on Jun 19, 2013 at 8:27 am
The city of Whitehorse bears some of the responsibility for this mess. Lets not forget that many of the "unsustainable" upgrades done at Mt Sima were done for the Canada games. So Mr Mayor if the ship has sailed on Sima the city had the wheel. I'm getting tired of being labeled an upper class elitist because I snowboard, this my friends is far from the truth, the true elitist don't spend much time at Sima........ check Blackcomb, Whistler or Powder King. Me, I can't fly out to these resorts but I can hit up Sima and I do. whatever happens please don't close the hill the kids need it.
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Andrew on Jun 19, 2013 at 8:09 am
I have a better Idea. How about everyone who does'nt use the hill but wants it gone, turn off their computer and find themselves a hobby rather then showing off their useless computer blogging skills.
Has everyone forgotten why the hill was opened up to begin with? I'm a tax payer too, just the friendly version which is rare in these parts apparently. Pro Sima users need a massive rally and I guarantee more young adults would show up for the ski hill then they would a federal or territorial election. My guess is, it's mostly seniors, negative nancies and overweight people that want Sima gone. Set up a rally and give it the proper promotion that it deserves instead of killing off the main foundation of winter sports.
Don't take away our hill or give these bloggers the satisfaction they so negatively crave. I would be negative too if my only motivation was to destroy the good things in Whitehorse so I could save a few tax dollars(chump change) but I'm better than that.
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Yukoner on Jun 19, 2013 at 7:46 am
Can't you tell most people don't want Canada Winter Games here or more granola baby's let it go.
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As if on Jun 19, 2013 at 7:27 am
Taxpayer as well: You can't even begin to compare the CGC and Sima.
Sima, at best is used buy a few hundred for 2 or 3 months of the year.
CGC is used by several thousand, a year round operation. Many of those by non profit organisations like Glacier Bears, Whitehorse Minor Hockey etc (that get no cash infusion from COW by the way) This city rents (a revenue stream) ice time, pool time, soccer pitch, flexihall, meeting rooms, restaurant(s) Trade shows etc. They don't do this a 'break even' business model I can assure you.
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Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2013 at 6:51 am
@B.Jacobs...nice try but maybe "read" the news from time to time. Huh you say?
Greenland seemed to get "the Arctic Winter Games" without being able to provide many venues.
The argument that others get why not they...sounds like a 3rd grader freaking out because the 6th graders got ice cream and they did not.
The way this town operates is like a giant welfare state, giving it away to those whom bleat the loudest...at the expense of all whom contribute. Great example of communist doctrine or the new buzz word "wealth distribution".
Dan and council...please flush the money pit that is Sima, terrace the hill and wedge as many "condo's" on it as possible.
That way our T.O. and Vancouver imports will feel at home with buildings everywhere one can see.
Anyone else miss the ol' Whitehorse?
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Charity of Whitehorse on Jun 19, 2013 at 6:14 am
@Mac O. Every blogger on here who owns property in COW already makes donations to charity and organizations that exist for the greater good of all. Namely Whitehorse Transit, Canada Games Center, Mt. MacIntyre, and every other organization the City of Whitehorse gives out grants to. I think our point is we don't want one more organization added to that ever expanding charitable list. Especially to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Come to think of it if the City of Whitehorse is going to transform into a social funding club with ever increasing mandatory 'annual donations' I might have to cancel some of the other charities I already donate to. There is only so much pie to go around and when they take more others get less.
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AGREE AGREE on Jun 19, 2013 at 6:11 am
I Agree with Micheal. Smells like a rat
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Go Away Sima! on Jun 19, 2013 at 5:01 am
To those supporters of pumping more money into this ski hill pit. Where does it end, why don't the federal, territorial, and city governments just take our entire paycheques instead of the 50% + they already help themselves to and then they can just decide everything for us concerning what we will do and what's best for us? Obviously that's what it's coming to, homeowners in this town are just being used as a commodity to fund all these little projects that are near and dear to a few peoples hearts. Hell, if I was a ski hill supporter I would think it's a wonderful idea, lets just take another hundred dollars out of everyone else's pocket this year to fund my hobby, next year maybe it'll be $200, the year after that $300, who cares homeowners don't have a choice anyways, they just get an ever increasing bill that must be paid.
How in the hell was it ever allowed get to the point where a lousy two bit community ski hill is trying to extort $600K from the city when they've already been to the public trough for millions? And after the last couple years when they've promised over and over that the public would not be asked to fork out again. Was the GNSS entire strategy to get to the point where so much tax money had been pumped into it already they thought it would become 'to big to fail' in the cities eyes? They obviously don't have a sound business plan, have never had a business plan, and are just relying on supporters to put pressure on government to keep the cash taps open.
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B. Jacobs on Jun 19, 2013 at 1:11 am
The city funds many other sports, and pumps millions into operating them, why not the ski hill? If we do not have a downhill ski facility here, I think future Arctic Winter Games, and other sports events would probably not be held in Whitehorse.
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Taxpayer as well on Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 am
So sad that some kids will not have choices in what sports that want to do. I pay as a taxpayer for the CGC and never use it, nor do my children. But we have used the ski hill many times and I am very thankful that we had the opportunity to do so. Now I will need to try and find something to keep my boys busy during those long winter months as they have no interest in the programs from the CGC. I think we will Skidoo up our mountains and do our own snowboarding for free now.
Thanks for the great years Sima, it was very fun. I understand all the haters point out there, as I feel the same way about the CGC, but you cannot please all the Taxpayers! Good luck to the City and GNSS with your future ventures or dissolution.
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B. Foster on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:12 am
Starting to side with the whiners that would see Sima shut down for good. It's a lot of money for an activity that caters to only a few. Maybe if there were no ski facilities then some of the whiners from away will go back to away.
Next...close the CWGC and Mt. Mac. That will save another big dose of taxes and good chance more granola crunchers will go where the pool water is warm, the ski lift is detachable and curling happens at the salon.
This whole thing is sickening. Lets pull all funding period for all public "recreation" facilities. So pampered we are up here where the issues we whine about are things that are more or less meaningless in the long run....simultaneously we collectively ignore the fact our territory is being actively targeted and courted by big money that hope while we whine bout trivialities they will be able walk off with the family silver.
If Sima closes and the whiners cheer it'll be a sad day because a pack of myopic couch crawlers can't abide the active and rosy faces while they trudge home with a double double and a bear claw.
Sometimes I wish there were NO amenities up here. That would certainly thin out the herd.
Have the city take it over. Send in a couple city bean counters to beef up the accountability...do what ya gotta but if you idiots mothball the hill and expect anything more than losing money and credibility you're dreaming.
Were Sima to close I can predict that someone (probably trained by Sima) will open a dedicated terrain park elsewhere...it'll be low key, under the radar and well attended.
The infrastructure is there and it is substantial. It'll be money hand over fist to liquidate the facility and you'll be left with a blight as a reminder that none of the brilliant minds on council can see the forest for the trees never mind find the trail.
Sima has had over the years many great staff with great ideas that have gone on their way because the board made the way an onerous one which caused a high staff turnover for the whole history of the hill. No continuity, a fractured vision, a revolving door for staff and board members.....pfft...so sickening and so sad when I think of how keen and talented many of the staff were when I worked there.
You gonna shoot that horse or whistle dixie? 'cause it's all very awkward to observe.
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Sam Finnigan on Jun 18, 2013 at 3:42 pm
There are other options. A bank may be willing to loan them $600k secured against the value of the lift and chalet.
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Michael on Jun 18, 2013 at 2:49 pm
lol, there's a rat somewhere, and this rat is in someone's pocket. This smells conflict of interest or in other words; corruption.....
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martin oreste on Jun 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Let users pay for it; not taxpayers!
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boo on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:08 am
Don't shut it down! It's one of the best facilities that serves many Yukoners. The Yukon without Sima is like the Yukon without the Canada Game Centre. All offer health and wellness to families. I bought my kids seasons passes and now they are adults who buy season passes. It's well worth it for many skiers to have a local hill. I pay city taxes and I'd rather have a portion go to Sima because of the health reasons (physical and mental).
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Concerned Citizen on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:02 am
How is it that the Board of the GNSS is not being held accountable? They should be taken to task ... they should be made to be responsible for the debt!
This mess is a direct result of their reckless and imprudent behavior; and now they want us to be responsible for what they did.
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Mac O on Jun 18, 2013 at 9:53 am
So do you people understand that closing down Sima won't stop us from being taxed. Do you realize how much funding is wasted on political advertising or replacing furniture and equipment. 1 government building office space move costs upwards of $15 grand and they are playing musical chairs with office buildings and replacing furniture with better furniture all the time which I learned through work experience. There's a difference between wasting tax payer money and using it wisely and Sima provides the people living in a town with not much to do with something to do. I don't want my tax money funding outdoor soccer and hockey because I don't play, but I know it makes the same amount of people happy as Sima does so its a good investment. So the bloggers that selfishly want the hill gone should go and make a donation to a charity organization so they can feel what its like to act decent.
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June Jackson on Jun 18, 2013 at 9:33 am
I remember when the Ski Chalet was built, it was supposed to be self sustaining too.. but that didn't work out..every one knows what these folks did, they fund raised like crazy, they turned the bottom into a curling rink, they rented out premises, they volunteered until hello won't have it.. they sold the yearly money calenders..and, lo and behold.. Mt. Mac is still going..and going without the City having to divert money from the infrastructure budget to do so..There are a lot of sports groups in the Territory, and none of them milking the system like GNSS.
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Josey Wales on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:54 am
Yet more proof that a REALLY bad decision(s), unlike a really bad haircut...doesn't "just" grow out.
Gee...what a proud legacy the hairdresser left us eh folks? A hill seemingly created from money...and a moon scape called Whistle Bend.
Close this hill please Dan, oh yeah...it's not the cities call (WTF?) but the elitists?
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yukoner on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:27 am
shut it down already to much tax money spent already.
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Wayne on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:01 am
OK. It's time for the city to end this. Let GNSS default, and allow the legal course of events to happen. No more city (my, our,)
money forthcoming. Do not allow good money to follow bad.
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north_of_60 on Jun 18, 2013 at 7:28 am
If you elect a barber to run your city, then don't be surprised if it results in a 'haircut'. Cut your losses and move on.
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north_of_60 on Jun 18, 2013 at 7:22 am
Close it down, sell it off, and chalk it up to another bad decision of the Buckway Regime just like Wasteland Bend.