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Brad Cathers and Sandy Silver

Silver wants housing minister shown the door

Liberal Leader Sandy Silver has called for the resignation of Brad Cathers, the minister responsible for the Yukon Housing Corp.

By Christopher Reynolds on October 24, 2014

Liberal Leader Sandy Silver has called for the resignation of Brad Cathers, the minister responsible for the Yukon Housing Corp.

Silver aimed his first round in question period Thursday squarely at Cathers: “When is the premier going to remove this minister?”

On the initial day of the legislature’s fall sitting, Silver highlighted ongoing affordable housing issues in the territory and noted the government is still sitting on $11.5 million of the $17.5 million in Northern Housing Trust monies it received from Ottawa in 2006.

“The minister responsible for this funding has had plenty of time to find a way to spend this money and address an obvious need in our territory,” Silver said in his opening salvo. “He has failed to do so.”

The Klondike MLA also pointed to June’s last-minute cancellation of a 75-unit affordable housing plan.

“The minister assured all Yukoners that it would be the board of the housing corporation, free from political interference, making the call. Unfortunately, that is not what happened,” he said.

Silver characterized Cathers’ move as a “political decision” that overruled the input of the arm’s-length housing corporation board, which was working with proponents for the three rental housing projects.

“How long does the premier intend to allow the minister responsible for the housing corporation to fumble around on this file before replacing him?”

In his three years in the legislature, Silver has never called for the resignation of a fellow MLA.

Prior to the housing cancellation, Cathers had stated the ultimate decision rested with the housing corporation board.

Shortly after, the Yukon Party’s management board, with the help of “caucus input,” cancelled the project, thus overriding the independent body.

Yesterday, Cathers acknowledged his earlier statement was mistaken and caused by an “incorrect briefing note.”

“Mr. Speaker, a briefing note? Seriously?” Silver responded.

Kate White, the NDP critic for the housing corporation, expressed retroactive surprise at one aspect of the housing affair: “The minister did ... accomplish something extraordinary this summer: he was able to rally the chamber of commerce, the Yukon Anti-Poverty Coalition, private sector contractors and the City of Whitehorse to unanimously denounce his action.

“That is quite a feat, Mr. Speaker,” she said.

Cathers pointed to the more than $100 million the government has invested in social housing since 2008, including $53 million from the federal economic action plan.

White countered by distinguishing social housing from rental housing.

“We’re talking about rental housing for Yukoners who make $15 an hour and have to spend 50 or 60 percent of their paycheques on rent,” she said.

Premier Darrell Pasloski pointed out the government’s work with Kaushee’s Place to create Betty’s Haven, a 10-unit, second-stage housing complex for women and children exposed to violence that opened last fall.

“We can talk all day long of the accomplishments that we have achieved through housing, through investment in social housing, through the availability of lots, through the support of down payment assistance programs, through the creation of seniors’ housing — the list goes on and on and on,” Pasloski said.

“We are focused on ensuring that we get great value for every dollar that we do invest, not only in housing, but throughout whatever we do.

“The reality is, with the member opposite (Silver), is that he will find any excuse to essentially vote against all these projects.”

The government announced in June that nearly $1.5 million will go to the development of eight affordable units in Carmacks and Carcross — the two rental projects that were not canned this year.

Comments (19)

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Moose on Oct 30, 2014 at 5:11 pm

Wilf... there is no free enterprise in the Whitehorse housing market. Housing prices are inflated due to a lack of land to build on and it is government who controls the land. What other city in Canada is limited by this? Also, most of the apartment buildings in Whitehorse were built with Govt subsidies to begin with, so the current owners (a few own most of the buildings, won't throw out any names but go ahead and research it) benefited from the exact situation which they now oppose.
Whistlebend doesn't count for much, who the heck wants to move to the Yukon and live on a small parcel of land with the same density as downtown Toronto?? One more thing for the record, I'm no socialist, but I don't think Norway, Sweden, Germany, et al who are much more socialist than Canada are 'Disadvantaged' and living in the 'dark ages'. But believe what you want I guess.

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Wilf Carter on Oct 29, 2014 at 10:38 pm

Moose do you believe in free enterprise? Because the Mayor and some COW Councillors don't want responsible management of public funds! So the COW wants total socialist society like some of the disadvantaged countries around the world. Good move - stop the growth of the Yukon and drive us back to black ages.

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Fred Statham on Oct 29, 2014 at 5:20 pm

Who should replace Brad Cathers? There are some good candidates that Premier Pasloski could choose from. I think Patti McLeod should replace him. When I talked to her and Brad this summer, I was impressed with how much she knew about Yukon's Housing Issues. She is a good listener who consults and collaborates well.

Sincerely, Fred Statham.

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Moose on Oct 28, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Brad Cathers keeps talking about the poor landlords relying on renters to pay their mortgage. Are we supposed to feel bad for people who bought bigger/nicer houses than they could afford expecting renters to pay off their mortgage for them!? The people being forced to rent might actually be able to afford a place of their own if the market wasn't inflated by these "poor landlords"

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Fred Statham on Oct 28, 2014 at 12:02 pm

Brad Cathers is a nice guy. I met him this summer at my MLA's Summer Barbeque on July 31st in Watson Lake. However, it is clear from Kate White's critique: " The minister did accomplish something extraordinary this summer: he was able to rally the chamber of commerce (Whitehorse), the Yukon anti- poverty coalition, private sector contractors and the city of Whitehorse to unanimously denounce his actions."

Clearly, it is time for Premier Pasloski to replace him or perhaps conduct a cabinet shuffle. The way things are going, the lawn of The Legislature is going to have another TENT CITY during the next Territorial Election.

Sincerely, Fred Statham.

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Beatrice UFITINGABIRE on Oct 27, 2014 at 2:19 pm

I realized the issue is being more politicized than socialized. To tell the truth I don't get the point of sitting the money when there is a need.- Obviously you would be curious to know what is going on elsewhere. Do you think other provinces or territories are in need more than we are? Do they have more need than our territory? Are they better off in management or any other positive points you might want to use to put down Mr. Silver's point? Somehow whether you like it or not, there will be somebody elsewhere who keeps taking the housing money in their respective area while our budget is sitting. There is always a way of improving any issue mentioned here but first let us try to focus on solving what we are able to and for which we have a means.- Thank you for your understanding.

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bobbybitman on Oct 27, 2014 at 9:42 am

David Dixon, first thing you should have done before hitting the keyboard was get your facts straight. The Housing Trust money was going to '75 bachelor and one-bedroom apartments in Whitehorse.' The cancelled projects were not two bedrooms at $900 as you state. My facts are from a Yukon News article of June 25, 2014.

As for the growing use of the Food Bank, I personally know one person who went to the food bank simply because the food was free. My guess is there are quite a number of people who drive up for a free grab bag of food.

I have said many times, and maintain that the big issue in this town is the supression of wages for our lowest paid workers, working in big box stores and fast food restaurants. The Nominee Program is keeping wages from obeying the law of supply and demand.

The cost of renting is still lower than the cost of owning, which means private landlords are not making out like bandits in the slightest.

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BnR on Oct 27, 2014 at 7:00 am

David, irregardless is not a word.

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Wilf Carter on Oct 26, 2014 at 8:43 pm

Mr Nixon you seem to forget some things. Why are people in low income brackets? I like your points of view, but you do not describe the issues and problems of people and how to deal with them, but just have a solution to vote for the NDP or Liberals because of your beliefs in there ability to solve the problems. No one has the prefect answer. If you give lots to the people who have less than there is a belief that there will be a dependence on the government system and abuse of the government system by people who don't want to work or look after themselves. On the other side, if society reduces the benefits we are not supporting our not so fortunate people.
Not easy? What is your situation? I believe in caring for people whom are having difficulty but at the same time help them to help themselves and make a better life. Do you agree Mr. Nixon? So how do we determine who can help themselves and what do we do about it? It is easy to make an opinion but back them up with solutions that work for all the people! I have watched people in Atlantic Canada who work seasonally and then go on UIC for the rest of the year including my family members. UIC was basically a annual income support program for the people. Do you think this is right Mr. Nixon? What I am trying to do is get some public policy issues that make proper sense. I do not have the answers but I am trying to get a public debate going on what is important and how we solve it. The worse thing we can do is leave it up to politicians because they are not responsive to the facts and issues on the ground.
We the people have to drive the agenda not politicians. I watched in the Yukon House last week garbage in garbage out. All there was is garbage from politicians! We need to make our voice heard. Think about what is realistic for social programs and what we can afford Mr. Nixon.

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David Dixon on Oct 26, 2014 at 12:32 pm

If there was a sufficient supply of one BR rental units then why is the food bank demand increasing from 8%-10% yearly? The answer is obvious. Because there are too many Whitehorse renters paying rents higher than 30% of their net monthly incomes. More money for rent means less money for food. Right? Some people will argue that low income people don't need internet, a car, car insurance, the smallest NWTEL cable TV package etc. If they have a child some will say go to the Salvation Army store for clothes for themselves and their child. Also if you are the working poor you probably won't have much money for your child's birthday or for Christmas. These working poor shouldn't expect any of these basic needs. For sure you can take the bus all winter. Remember to dress yourself and your child warmly. Most importantly remember you low income person that there is no hope for you to realistically save for your child's future education which for certain will direct your child in the future to experience a life of poverty just like yourself.
This is the inclusive society that Premier Pasloski refers to which promises a decent life for all Yukon citizens irregardless of econonmic means. If you are on the low tier of the economic spectrum that is where you and your child will always remain. The Yukon Party government through the cancellation of this 75 2BR plan to create rental units for the low income poor with a rent guaranteed of $900.00/month never to increase over a 10 year period have abandoned these low income poor. Low income poor people of Whitehorse this territorial does not care about you. Period!!! What they really care about is not to anger those landlords who are presently unable to rent their vacant rental units. Why? Because these landlords are Yukon Party supporters and they will cater to them to insure their vote for the Yukon Party in the next territorial election. The answer is clear for you abandoned low income Whitehorse citizens--- IN THE NEXT TERRITORIAL ELECTION MAKE CERTAIN YOU VOTE FOR EITHER THE NDP OR LIBERAL PARTIES. BETTER STLL TALK WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND COLLECTIVELY PICK TO VOTE FOR EITHER THE NDP OR LIBERAL PARTY TO AVOID VOTE SPLITTING. REMEMBER THIS UNCARING YUKON PARTY GOVERNMENT CAN BE DEFEATED BY YOUR VOTE!

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Wilf Carter on Oct 25, 2014 at 11:08 am

Where is the public housing policy of the three parties, so there can be a debate on how we invest in public housing. Just go out and spending public money without a policy is bad public business. All elected officials are elected to make public policy, not be actors as the former leader of the liberal party told me out at Kathleen lake in 2007.
As I stated earlier, over 70% of public housing programs fail if it is just government investing in them. Government cannot prop up housing for low wage earners, it does not work. Public housing has to have a number of willing partners including banks. Banks have a role and responsibility to make investments that support the growth of our country, not only just invest for profits. When I worked with Nova Scotia Housing Commission, banks had housing programs to support lower income people. It included how to develop equity in their homes, step payment systems and offset income such as having a rental suite in the home and other innovative ways to pay for housing such as operating a service business out of their home just to name a few. The major part of the program was training for local jobs so they could increases their income.
If any government gets into public housing, they have to go all the way into it. Just stepping into one or two areas is a dangerous mistake because it increases the opportunity for a major failure. As an example, Edmonton Housing back in the early 1980's was liberal and a liberal thinking municipal government. They worked with the Alberta Government who was conservative to develop what was called a home assistance program. Nobody wanted to call it social housing because of the label it implied. The home assistance program sent out RFP for proposals to supply the home assistance program units. Developers would deliver the program. I worked for a company called Nu-West Development. We received a contract to build eighty of these units. The main structure of the program was rent to own. All the units were very quickly taken up. As matter of fact there was a lot more demand than supply at that time. Several years later along comes a slow down in the Alberta economy. 60 of the 80 units were taken back by the program because people had to leave or were un-employed.
Parties in the Yukon have to understand the challenges of public housing can face. One of the keys of public housing is how to make it sustainable. Just knocking on the government and pushing them to spend public dollars is not good public policy. The Yukon Government did touch on a changing housing conditions in the rental market as a reason to stop the existing program and that is a good move. So Mr. Silver you want to the Minister of Housing to resign for making a good move in not investing the remaining public housing money that would disrupted the rental market in Whitehorse and the Mayor of Whitehorse supports that.!
Just to correct the NDP and other parties misguided understanding of what the meaning of social housing is by most countries around the world is any public money going into housing is determined to be social housing. So affordable housing is social housing. Research it out. Most countries have stopped using the words social housing years ago. So can all parties get your act together and agree on the public housing policy. If the opts wants to be pro-active bring forth questions on the frame work for a new housing policy for the Yukon.
Look at other countries around that move into social housing. They have a complete social housing program by going all in.
So all parties stop acting, playing games sitting on your hands and do the public business of government. Please I do not want to see the house talking about garbage. Garbage in garbage out.
All three parties get out of the garbage political behavior and do the public business. When I was in university in Halifax Nova Scotia I loved going to the house and watching the house work. The parties did not waste their time talking garbage but ideas, issues, policies, what was best for Nova Scotia. The parties were professional and did their best to conduct the public business. What I heard on Thursday in the house was a lot of nothing, talking into the wind, meaningless statements no facts other than on the existing state of the rental market which is good. I did not see where are all three parties are going with public policy on housing or anything..

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Wilf Carter on Oct 25, 2014 at 9:29 am

I can't believe 18 people would support the disrespect of anyone. 18 people. What is it like to be perfect? Put your face out there and see what people think. Get a life.

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myth buster on Oct 25, 2014 at 7:51 am

In response to melba.
Your post made me think .. hmm.. I will do the math.
Here is what I came up with.
$15.00/hr x 8 hours per day = $120/day
5 days per week X $120/day = $600.00/week
4 weeks per month X $600.00/week = 2400.00/month
$2400.00/mo less 15% for taxes and other employment deductions = $2140.00/mo

Kate used a figure of 50% to 60% of their wage that would be $1070.00 to $1285.00

So, your figure of $1500.00/month is not accurate.
Please try to be more accurate MELBA. It helps if we can discuss the issue believing that people are actually stating facts.
Myth Buster

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Norm Hamilton on Oct 24, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Melba, unless I'm missing it I don't see in this article where Ms. White stated she was talking about "single" people. There are folks with families who are only making $15 or less as well.

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My Statement is on Oct 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm

With $15 an hour your net income is about $1000 per paycheck (if you have a 40 hours job).
That'll be about $2000 a month, and 50 to 60% are $1000-1200. Just so we are on the same sheet.

There is cheaper housing, that's not the point. But let's be honest (and take a look in kijiji), we are most likely talking about a shared apartment. That's one room. No own washroom, kitchen and living room.
However the people earning $15 an hour will pretty much barely come away from that income. There is a reason why they only earn that - and it can take a long time to change that. That also means they are stuck in that living situation for the same length.

It might be nice for a few that they can take part in a lottery for remote lakeside properties. It would be nicer for alot to get out of a long lasting situation where they have no real own place to live.

I'm not against the lottery(ies) that offer(s) hard working citizens a weekend place. It would be nice though if the less wealthy people have a chance to get affordable housing as well. Especially when there are fundings available.

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June Jackson on Oct 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm

OMG! Who's making $15.00 an hour? and BTW Melba, rent for a decent apt. IS $1,500. a month or more. You must be mistaking your comment about a "rental place" with a "rental ROOM". And yes, you can rent a room in someone else's house for under $950 a month. Some places where you share a bathroom are between $600 and $700, even saw one for $550. In Canada today, having a private accommodation, 1 bedroom, bath and kitchen should not be too much to ask for.

That being said, so many people are leaving the territory, I do believe prices will come down. With the departures though goes a renter pool of hmmm..higher quality renters? Landlords have to be very careful right now as the flotsam and jetsam of our society are all looking for winter digs. By keeping rents high, landlords kind of protect themselves against being tricked into bad renters.

AFFORDABLE housing in the territory is bigger than the minister can or give someone a kazillion dollars to offer livable rents for a few years.

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Robj on Oct 24, 2014 at 5:12 pm

No surprise when yhc dumped all their experienced staff. They can't do anything anymore.

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melba on Oct 24, 2014 at 4:39 pm

60% of their $15 an hour on rent? That is $1500 a month if you do the math. What single person needs a $1500 a month rental place? There are plenty of places on the market right now in the $750 to $900 range for a single person.

Please try to be more accurate Kate. It helps if we can discuss the issue believing that people are actually stating facts. Or else clarify if you are saying that this person needs 3 bedrooms for some reason.

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My question is on Oct 24, 2014 at 3:59 pm

Was the member from Old Crow awake or more importantly present during Question Period?

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