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Council still laden with sports complex queries

City council’s decision to approve first reading of a bylaw to rezone an area of Whistle Bend for a major outdoor sports complex is by no means approval for the project itself.

By Stephanie Waddell on February 24, 2015

City council’s decision to approve first reading of a bylaw to rezone an area of Whistle Bend for a major outdoor sports complex is by no means approval for the project itself.

Council members made that clear Monday evening prior to passing first reading.

“There are a lot of questions we have forwarded on to the Yukon government,” said Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu, noting her support for the bylaw “at this point.”

The facility would be owned by the territorial government and leased to the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association, which would operate it.

As both councillors Dave Stockdale and Kirk Cameron pointed out, first reading advances the bylaw to a public hearing (at council’s March 23 meeting) where residents can let council know what they think of the rezoning application.

The application came forward last week for the rezoning of a 7.17-hectare piece of land off Casca Boulevard near Whistle Bend Way, with most of the area currently zoned for residential use.

It sits next to a site at the corner of the two roads that’s identified for a future school.

As it was outlined last week, the $8-million facility would be built in a phased approach.

It would begin with a rubberized running track and soccer pitches featuring artificial turf and at least two soccer pitches along with landscaping work, bleachers and lighting. If all goes according to schedule, it would open in 2016.

Proponents for the facility argue it’s needed for the development of the territory’s athletes.

The rubberized track would provide the same type of surface athletes compete on when they attend track events Outside.

Meanwhile, the artificial turf soccer facilities would allow for an earlier start to the outdoor season for minor soccer players as well as allow time for fields in the city to recoup from the heavy use they currently see.

Tony Gaw, who heads up the association for the facility, told council last week there could be one or two fields taken out of the soccer mix at any one time to allow for re-growth of the turf when the new outdoor facility opens.

The proposal raised numerous concerns last week among council members. They wondered if the city could eventually be faced with the possibility of taking over operational costs down the road if the proposed user-pay system is not a success.

They also questioned:

• whether the facility is needed at this time;

• its ongoing costs;

• potential plans to host major sporting events, given the note that the facility could accommodate events like the Western Canada Games; and

• how the potential school next door could access the facility, given that it would be a locked site.

Those queries formed part of a long list of questions.

It was also suggested $8 million for a new recreational facility in Whitehorse could be better used for renovations to recreation facilities in other communities.

A letter from Community Services Minister Currie Dixon to Mayor Dan Curtis dated Feb. 2 stresses “.... as the project is conceptualized, there are no O&M expectations on the city beyond what might normally be done for other recreation or community groups.”

Council members, however, have continued to voice concerns about the operational costs involved and the potential they could be passed on to the city in the future.

At last night’s meeting, Stockdale also said he is “frustrated by the process” and what he sees as a “lack of respect from the territory for the city.”

He went on to encourage everyone to get involved in the process.

Similarly, Cameron commented that he’s “quite curious” about what the public has to say about the proposal.

After the public hearing on March 23, a report on just that will come forward to council, with second and third readings expected to be voted on at the April 13 meeting.

Comments (18)

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north_of_60 on Mar 2, 2015 at 6:37 pm

Thanks Jocelyn, for always making the effort to look nice and smile for Council meetings.

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Yukoner on Mar 2, 2015 at 4:38 pm

@ Trish

Go have a bake sale, build the track with that money on your own land and if this is 8 mill that has to be spent or we lose it we only have till the end of march so I don't think this 8 Mill falls under that category. So I would assume this money could most likely go to funding something better then a rubber track and a soccer field.

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Trish on Mar 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm

It really frustrates me that the comments are attacking council when in fact they are the ones stalling the project. This is not the City's project. It is YTG and Yosca's. YTG and Yosca went to council for zoning application, not money. Got it? Please read carefully before you post your (incorrect) comments.

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Trish on Mar 2, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Also, this is a re zoning request people. It's not the city's 8 million. If we don't use the 8 mill, somewhere other than the Yukon gets it.

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Trish on Mar 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm

I get a feeling that none of the commenters have played on, know the condition of, or know the difficulties with maintaining an actively used field in whitehorse.... Take a look at the kids tripping this coming summer.

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Will on Feb 26, 2015 at 9:49 pm

All they are trying to do is build something in whistle bend that will attract home buyers into the area. They are trying to salvage a horribly expensive and mismanaged subdivision project by back peddling and using public money to save face.

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Tater on Feb 26, 2015 at 4:43 pm

This is a request for a zoning change. Nothing else. YTG and the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association have an agreement to fund/spend/operate this facility. If the Association defaults on its operation, it becomes YTG property. If you want to complain about the funding, you need to talk to YTG.

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ProScience Greenie on Feb 26, 2015 at 1:38 pm

$8 million would go a long ways toward upgrading and expanding existing tracks and fields in all the communities as well as Whitehorse. Why not spread that money around?

Both CoW and YTG politicians and senior staff are right out to lunch on this one with all taxpayers involved getting burnt and with no consultation.

Also odd that there seems to be no loud 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' special interest crowd (like Mt. Sima) behind it all over the news demanding money that we so often see.

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Davis Smith on Feb 25, 2015 at 8:34 pm

Down with this idea. This is over the top bad planning. There is no way that a town this size deserves this facility. Spread the wealth. This will cater to too few to justify the huge expenses that will be required to run this. Not to mention the women taking part in this summer's World Cup were looking to sue FIFA because playing on turf sucks.

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Max Mack on Feb 25, 2015 at 4:54 pm

I'll go one better. How about a weather-clad, heated, year-round track facility? Why stop at $8 million? And since we are all so concerned about energy conservation for home owners, why not insist on an R2000 or better rating? And how about its own solar/wind power generator? Perhaps a run-of-the-river project on MacIntyre Creek. Let's not go cheap here!

Better yet, why not a matching facility in every Yukon community?

Ridiculous.

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Francias Pillman on Feb 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm

Wait. What? Now this council is trying to act like they care about our money? Thanks for the laugh.

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Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2015 at 7:24 am

Yes indeed astonished, scarey part of that is that it "HAS" become the absolute norm in these entitled parts. Given our medal winners as of recent, perhaps someone will propose a refrigerated 10 km lit tube complete with snow making gear...so the elites can train all year long? Or maybe because the lawn bowlers and the Whitehorse Kite association ..just don't get along?
the WKA can also get their own stadium and wind generators to keep them happy.
Wait till our waaaay too many TFL folks, the ones who don't flee to Wpg. or Toronto, get that lottery document everyone on the planet seeks?
Then we can revisit all these special interests...with a cultural component.

...this town...this country....I tell ya, it will never end.

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Frank Michigan on Feb 24, 2015 at 6:41 pm

I think its a great idea but we need two facilities, one on each side of town. We can then have different clubs compete.

We may be a small town but there are many athletes here. Many of the athletes are older thus to oppose this facility or 2 facilities is discrimination.

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Bobby Bitman on Feb 24, 2015 at 5:40 pm

Does anyone comprehend how much money eight million dollars is? And what do we get: a running track that is rubberized so Yukon athletes can hone their skills to a razor's edge for their trips to amateur competitions. And astro turf for kids' soccer because the Games Center and existing fields aren't up to World Cup standards.

This town has gone completely nuts.

Mr. Cameron, you want to know what I think? I think I did not know that the Yukon had another 8 million bucks to blow on something really 'out there'. I did not know our government was open to wild ideas on how to spend millions of dollars.

Now that we are all aware of this funding, why not ask people for alternate ideas about how to throw it around?

How did Tony Gaw and his engineering friends and the soccer group (again), hear about the money and get first kick at the can?

Why doesn't the general public get any opportunity to say, 'this is how I'd like to see the money spent', BEFORE one group gets a quarter million bucks to build an argument for what they want?

Personally, I'd say remote trail development including shelter cabins every 25 miles. That's what I'd like to see. For mountain biking, ultra running, cross country skiing, skijoring, dog mushing, snow machining, dirt bike riding, fat tire winter mountain biking, walking, hiking, snow shoeing, biathalon, bird watching, poetry writing, sketching and painting... Yukon activities enjoyed by many Yukoners, and which would draw more tourists up here. Not MORE money to the soccer association!

So there you go Mr. Cameron, my input. It would take an awful lot of $10,000 cabins (800 cabins in fact) and trail development (8,000 km at $1,000 per km), to spend 8 million dollars, but we could do it and think of the recreational infrastructure and potential for tourism that would result.

I think this is another example of insiders knowing what's coming down the pipe and getting the jump on pushing their projects before the general public has any idea of what is available and what is possible. As usual, the average person gets left in the dust and those with their snout on the ground get the truffles.

That's what I think. That plus again: Do you people have any comprehension of how much money eight million dollars is? (!!)

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north_of_60 on Feb 24, 2015 at 5:08 pm

"Cameron commented that he’s “quite curious” about what the public has to say about the proposal."

If the Councilor has been doing his job, then he should have been reading the numerous comments on the web pages of both local newspapers from the voting public. Then he would know fully well that the public rejects this blatant waste of taxpayer money when so many other things need attention in the Yukon.

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Junie Jackson on Feb 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm

"City council’s decision to approve first reading of a bylaw to rezone an area of Whistle Bend for a major outdoor sports complex is by no means approval for the project itself."

Yes it is. What BS is this council trying to pull now?

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Yukoner on Feb 24, 2015 at 4:45 pm

This is such a waste of money, for the very few that think they deserve and are entitled to this people get off your high horse and learn to live with the facilities that are already here which we can't afford. Stop the stupidity.

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Astonished! on Feb 24, 2015 at 4:18 pm

This is the most ridiculous proposal I have ever heard for a town of this size. When are we going to approve the lawn bowling association for the new coliseum and their 10 bowlers. At least they would outnumber the track users.

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