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CHANGE TO THE TERRAIN COMING? – The suggested disc golf course would be developed across 6.3 hectares of land off the Alaska Highway north of Prospector Road. Map courtesy CITY OF WHITEHORSE

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A VETERAN FAN – Noel Sinclair, seen making a presentation on behalf of the Whitehorse Disc Golf Association to city council Monday evening, has played the game for three decades. Pat Ross.

Council hears of proposed new disc golf course

Disc golfers around the city could soon enjoy a new course spread over 6.3 hectares of land off the Alaska Highway north of Prospector Road.

By Stephanie Waddell on March 22, 2016

Disc golfers around the city could soon enjoy a new course spread over 6.3 hectares of land off the Alaska Highway north of Prospector Road.

The proposal for the 18-hole course came forward to council Monday evening as a conditional use application of the Whitehorse Disc Golf Association to use the area of vacant Commissioner’s land currently zoned as Future Planning and Environmental Protection.

As city planning manager Pat Ross stated in his report to council: “Outdoor participant recreational services are an allowable ‘conditional use’ in each zone, subject to approval by city council and including any additional conditions required for development permit approval to mitigate any concerns that may be raised.”

The Yukon government has already provided a licence of occupation to the association on.

Prior to Ross presenting his report on the proposal, disc golfer Noel Sinclair made a presentation on behalf of the disc golf association. He cited the benefits of the sport and addressed concerns over recent vandalism to both courses in the city.

Four other members of the association joined Sinclair in council chambers.

“Disc golf is a fantastic recreational opportunity for a wide variety of Whitehorse citizens,” Sinclair said.

It costs little (outside of the cost of a disc) to play, he added. As well, it’s open to anyone of any age, and can often provide a recreational pastime for a demographic (often boys ages 12 to 14) that can be difficult to provide programming for.

Sinclair has played for 30 years. He was involved in the development of a course in Nanaimo, B.C. prior to moving to Whitehorse about 20 years ago.

He encouraged the city to contact officials in Nanaimo if they wanted to learn more about that community’s experience.

He also noted there are courses in Skagway and Haines, Alaska as well and throughout the country.

Coun. Samson Hartland raised the recent spate of vandalism. He said it’s disappointing that it seems to continue, and he wondered if the association is looking at any way of preventing it at the new course.

The most recent incident occurred last weekend. It saw 12 of 19 tone cans (the targets disc golfers aim to hit on the course) smashed at the Solstice course near Yukon College.

The association opted to remove all the cans from the course to avoid more vandalism.

The episode followed other incidents over the last few months where targets have been stolen or damaged.

Sinclair replied that the association is working to have more permanent equipment on the new course. Many of the targets now are attached to trees by strings and other easily-removed items.

Ross noted in his presentation later in the meeting that the new course will feature baskets attached to metal poles cemented into the ground.

While the poles can be removed fairly easily with the proper tools, vandals looking to remove them without the proper equipment would have a hard time.

“Each hole will have two tee pads, constructed of natural dirt and turf ground,” he said.

“Approximately 80 anchor holes are proposed, with two to three sleeves at each hole to allow multiple target placements and minimize soil compaction and erosion.

“Signage will be installed at the beginning of the course, at each tee pad and at trail crossings. Fairway improvements include modest vegetative clearing to establish fairways and trail networks.

“Ongoing course maintenance would involve brush trimming, grass mowing and trail repair. Other improvements may include benches, picnic tables, garbage and recycling bins, an outhouse and erosion protection items such as boardwalks.”

It was stressed throughout the presentation that access would continue for other users of the area and that more detailed design is anticipated to be complete this summer and would be required under the development permit process.

Sinclair also mentioned his disappointment with the vandalism, noting the association is “completely perplexed” about who is causing the damage.

Coun. Betty Irwin wondered if the course would indeed be an “all-season” course, as it was indicated in Ross’ report.

She questioned if play happens year-round.

Sinclair said there are some “dedicated players” who are on a course every weekend, regardless of the season.

In the winter, he explained, players attach a ribbon to their discs, making it easy to find if it lands in the snow.

“Yes, I guess you can, and it’s a lot of fun,” he said.

Sinclair had his own first winter disc-golf experience just four weeks ago at the association’s latest tournament.

He was one of about 20 players who came out, with the proceeds going to the Whitehorse Food Bank.

Residents will have a chance to let council know what they think of the proposed course with a public input session at next week’s council meeting.

A report will then come forward on April 4. Council is expected to make a decision on the conditional use application at its April 11 meeting.

Coun. Rob Fendrick was absent from last night’s meeting.

Comments (16)

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June Jackson on Mar 25, 2016 at 1:12 pm

BnR: a disc golf course has no perspective in my life whatsoever. This is just another special interest group looking for a handout. You want a disc golf course, then buy the land and have one, charge admittance fees or membership fee's to pay for it.. When someone wants public land, public money, public anything, then they had better be prepared to put up with public comment.

I am just an entitled to my opinion as you are for yours and no one who disagree's with you should be called names or ridiculed.

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Cliff on Mar 24, 2016 at 10:34 pm

I see the proposed parking area spans both sides of McIntyre Creek, bridge, as well as the Trans Canada trail. A set back from the creek must be maintained down both sides of the creek for future walking, biking, riding trails not blocked by parking lots and then wonder about the mistake 10 years from now. The area is heavily used by walkers, bikers, joggers, etc now and has been for a long time. I don't see why they couldn't access the course from the Alaska hiway side and leave a perfect area for enjoying nature for many alone.
Many people park at the pumphouse and walk the many excellent trails in the area in all directions except towards the course proposed area for the most part. We don't need that area cluttered up with Sea cans, outhouses, barbecue pits and whatever else these latent to the area try to claim as their own. Above all the borders of that creek have to be protected for paths and fishermen or those that would just like to follow alongside of the creek for it's entirety. I hope they get their course but don't bugger up other peoples enjoyment of the area with that big square of proposed parking which already parks a lot of vehicles driven by bird watchers at the slough, dog walkers and others using the Trans Canada trail.
Councilors should go and walk around the area and see what I'm talking about. The clutter would do better at the Alaska Hiway side of things. I wonder what Mr. Mott who worked at that pumphouse for 40 years without missing a shift would think of the change now. If it was just parking that would be great because the existing could handle this group now but, they start with a storage shed then expand with other crap. Please put proposed parking area somewhere else closer to the K.K. side of things. How many would they say would be parking at any one time say if they were having a tournament. I've never even seen them in action anywhere but I guess they may have a good following.

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b on Mar 24, 2016 at 5:07 pm

jwhite... It's the same people complaining over and over. Don't take this board as an accurate opinion of the community. It's the same 10-15 people who feel the need to poo-poo everything.

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Jwhite on Mar 24, 2016 at 3:39 pm

When did we go from being a welcoming, inclusive community to a bunch of whiners who cannot stand to see something good happen for someone else? I cannot think of a single occasion, in the last 40 odd years, when I've wanted to do anything at all on that land, and I bet most of the complainers here are in the same boat. So why not let the disc golfers use it? What possible harm?
Now, if Gov't Yukon and the runners and soccer players think about it, perhaps they can approach KDFN about leasing that adjacent land for their soccer field/track. I don't know if the city has authority for zoning on that land, but they'd sure have a hard time selling the rejection arguments they used to shoot the project down. Recreation is a good thing. It's time we went back to being decent supportive people instead of a bunch of cranky old complainers.

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BnR on Mar 24, 2016 at 10:04 am

So many completely out to lunch comments based on, well, I don't know what they are based on. Ignorance? Did people like Really and June read the article?
The land in question is zoned, and I quote "future planning and environmental protection". The association already has a license of occupation, it's not any sort of title. It just means they are allowed to be there. There can be no restriction of access to other users. And Yukoner, what are you on about the "elitist kayakers". Do you even know what you are taking about? If it's the C-can at Schwatka, it's for the sailing group for storage. They don't own the land, it's just storage. Big deal.
For god sakes, it's just some disc golfer trying to get away from some moron vandal. Get some perspective in your lives.

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Jon q on Mar 23, 2016 at 10:08 pm

Many of these comments against the disc golf course seem reactionary and uninformed. NIMBY if you like.

Disc Golf is an excellent activity to locate close to a college. It is very low cost to get started in, with new players able to start playing for as little as $40 in equipment.

The sport of Disc Golf promotes a healthy lifestyle and has benefitted many players in improving their health and fitness. Locating a course close to the college will provide a very low cost activity that gets students, and anyone from the general public who wants to try it, outside and exercising throughout the year.

My experiences with Disc Golf and disc golfers has revealed a strong focus on environmental stewardship (the golfers don't litter and tend to pack out the litter of others when they find it). Given their use of the course, the Disc Golfers also act as defacto ambassadors of the land. They provide assistance to other users in need and have a discouraging effect on less savory activities such as public drinking and drug use.

The plan for this Disc Golf park is well thought in my opinion. Multiple pin placements shows a sensitivity to erosion issues and a plan for mitigation.

Lastly, Disc Golf clubs, such as the Whitehorse Disc Golf Association have been instrumental in providing food and funding to food banks across North America.

I now return you to your regular pitchforks and torches type commentary.

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Ryan Norquay on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:45 pm

Please do your research and inform yourself before leaving a comment. Disc Golf is an inclusive sport for all! No one will ever be excluded in the Solstice DiscGolfPark. The land will still belong to YG. WDGA will only hold a license of occupation shared with multiple organizations including Klondike Snowmobile Associaton and Atco Electric Yukon. Everyone will be welcome to enjoy the trails. Please view the full proposal here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lm4wimvgdxm6vmq/Solstice%20DiscGolfPark%20-%202016.02.22.docx?dl=0

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Josey Wales on Mar 23, 2016 at 4:39 pm

Not really sure how leaving private junk on public property to be "vandalism"
I call that littering and tree peeing..marking your spot.
These folks seem like the kind whom sniveled and whined when "their" snowMAN was knocked over by someone...who just does not like snowMEN on public spaces.

Go buy all that land, then you can call it "vandalism" after you fence it off.
So "liability" issues are not a factor, 4 million insurance, traffic control faaar from the pump house.
Never seen any "we gotta have it " crews using that stupid pole right in the middle of ever disappearing green spaces...Rotary Park it is.
We pay, they do not use it..but want this?
Sure no access restrictions eh? I'll remember that when I wish to run my dogs, far from homes.
How about NO, and a moratorium on this bulls**it "until we can figure out, what the hell is going on here"

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June Jackson on Mar 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm

To: Really. Your comments are very well said. This article talks about vandalism and unrestricted access in the same breath. You are quite right Mr./Mrs. Really, it won't take any time at all to restrict access, and likely even less time for the group to stick a hand out at City hall for a piece of the taxpayer dollar.

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Josey Whales on Mar 23, 2016 at 10:26 am

ABSOLUTELY YES!
ITS WONDERFUL that the City OF WHITEHORSE can accommodate the interests of low impact outdoor recreation activities by setting land aside for them.

Thanks for this!

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Yukoner on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:32 am

Buy the land for your golf course- no more free hand outs. This is getting sad. On the weekend I seen one of the old ugly sea can show back up at schwatka lake for the elitists kayaks.
May be because I live on a green belt I can extend my fence back 20 feet and do a small land grab for my little piece on the taxpayer.

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Really on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:29 am

It appears to me that using lands suitable for highway commercial enterprises for a recreational activity would be irresponsible. There are plenty of places for this activity and I also share the view that special interests have alienated more than enough of the Cities open spaces.
As a person born and raised in Whitehorse I have seen the continued closing of open spaces for special interests and personally have had exhausted my openness to such appropriations. In one way or another, these type of applications always say that the public will not be restricted from access, but after some tenure they advocate for tighter restrictions of access and some form of legal tenure. However, if this is something the CoW is prepared to entertain, please don't use our valuable highway commercial lands, because, if you do, the CoW will have to compensate the interests when the demand for the land for appropriate uses eventually happens.

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BnR on Mar 23, 2016 at 6:35 am

Josey
Some examples please. Greedy elitists eh? LOL!!!

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Arn Anderson on Mar 22, 2016 at 9:48 pm

The dump has space....

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Jonathan Colby on Mar 22, 2016 at 5:41 pm

Someone didn't read the article, Josey. There will be no restriction of access. Merciful Heavens!

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Josey Wales on Mar 22, 2016 at 3:06 pm

ABSOLUTELY NOT! We have enough "spaces" where folks cannot go because SPECIAL INTERESTS "feel" it is theirs.
Our CoW should SHUT down any mention of "further" land grabs by greedy elitists.
I for one am beyond sick of this mentality, WTF Whitehorse?

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