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Councillors Dan Boyd, Mayor Dan Curtis and Councillors Samson Hartland

City approves building design contract

At least one of the costs for the proposed new city operations building is clear after Tuesday’s city council meeting.

By Stephanie Waddell on May 25, 2016

At least one of the costs for the proposed new city operations building is clear after Tuesday’s city council meeting.

And that’s the $2.1 million that will go to design and construction supervision.

In a 5-2 vote by council last night, members approved awarding the contract to Toronto-based firm RDHA.

Councillors Samson Hartland and Dan Boyd voted against the contract award, bringing forward issues with the cost and financing of the overall project itself during a lengthy debate.

The city is proposing to build the new operations building in an area off Range Road and Two Mile Hill.

The building would see the majority of the equipment and staff who work out of the Municipal Services Building (MSB) on Fourth Avenue move up to the new site, with the remaining 20 or so staffers in the building moved to other city sites.

Eventually, the plan would see the MSB site sold and redeveloped (the potential cost to get the site ready for sale is not known yet).

The cost of the operations building project was a large part of the debate. Council members who favour the project argued the true costs won’t be known until the design is complete.

The city’s estimates, however, peg the total cost of the operations building at $44 million.

A new proposed service building that is envisioned later for the downtown area is expected to cost another $12 million, bringing the price tag up to $56 million.

The city had initially been looking at a larger consolidation project that would bring a number of other departments into the two buildings.

Moving ahead with that, however, could bring the entire cost up to $73 million.

Thus, officials have scaled back the plans to focus on the operations building for now, with the possibility of adding future phases should funding become available in the years ahead.

At last night’s meeting, Mayor Dan Curtis provided the media with answers to questions raised by council last week.

City staff had produced the document showing spending plans and where funding is expected to come from – with more than $14 million from reserves, more than $15 million from the city’s portion of federal gasoline tax funding and the remainder expected to be through financing.

“It is acknowledged that a number of the city’s financial policies need to be updated and/or formalized, and the finance department plans to start doing that in fall of 2016 when staff resources can be devoted to this project,” it was noted in the document.

“However, at this time, with the current anticipated expenditure as reflected in the capital submission, administration is comfortable that the city has the means to proceed with the project.”

Hartland and Boyd took issue with the high costs of the project and funding.

It’s an issue Boyd has continually brought up, stressing the city should have its finances “in order” before it moves ahead with such a major project.

Hartland, meanwhile, suggested there are a number of spaces that could be leased to the city at a “fraction of the cost” to building a new structure. He went on to argue the city needs to do its “due diligence” before it moves forward on it.

“I think rushing into this would be a mistake,” he said, making a motion to defer the vote on the contract.

He was alone in wanting to defer the matter, and after his motion was defeated, he said he could not support moving ahead.

Boyd voted against the contract award as well.

On Hartland’s suggested deferral, he said it’s unlikely anything about the project would change in the two weeks that follow a deferral vote, so he didn’t support Hartland’s motion.

He also confirmed with city manager Christine Smith that leasing space would be an ongoing operational expense rather than falling under the capital budget as constructing a city-owned facility does.

As Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu pointed out, it’s operational costs that property tax rates are based on. That could easily mean substantial hikes on property tax bills in future years if the city were to lease building space.

Coun. Roslyn Woodcock also took issue with the idea of leasing space, noting not only the potential tax hike, but also that it would be a “massive undertaking.”

She described Hartland’s suggestion of leasing space as a “vague notion”.

As Coun. Rob Fendrick pointed out, a lot of “due process” has already taken place to get to this stage.

While all the numbers may not be entirely clear just yet, having a design in place will provide more certainty on the overall cost, he said.

“I think it’s money well spent,” he said earlier in the meeting of the design and construction supervision cost.

Throughout the drawn-out conversation, council members appeared to agree on one thing: the need to get staff and equipment out of the MSB.

“The building is collapsing around our ears practically,” Woodcock said.

She also said that with half the cost to build the operations building available through reserves and gas tax funding, the city should proceed.

Comparing it to buying a home, Woodcock said it would be rare for a buyer to cover the full costs of his or her home, or even have 20 per cent for a down payment.

Most home buyers have five or 10 per cent available to put down, and the rest is covered through the mortgage, she said.

Curtis, as well, cited “safety concerns” with the MSB.

Curteanu argued it’s better to move forward with the building now when proper planning and design work can be done than even further down the road when the need becomes more urgent than it already is.

“The MSB’s going to fail,” Curteanu said.

Moving forward now may actually cost less than waiting for some point in the future, given factors such as the ever-rising cost of construction and current low interest rates.

Nearly all council members continued to make their points throughout the lengthy discussion, with Coun. Betty Irwin proving to be the exception.

As she explained when asked by Curtis if she had any comments about it, she “couldn’t possibly add anything that hasn’t already been said.”

Her position on the contract was clear though when she voted in favour of awarding the contract.

RDHA was one of five companies which submitted proposals that made it to the final round of consideration.

Among the other eligible proposals considered were CEI at $2.26 million, Manasc at $2.41 million, Perkins at $2.45 million and Stantec at $2.56 million.

While RDHA is based in Toronto, all the subcontractors listed on the project are based in and/or have offices in Whitehorse.

Shortly after voting to award the contract last night, council unanimously approved third reading to lease eight hectares of land from the Yukon government for the site.

The lease could be for up to 60 years (including the 30-year lease term and renewal option for a further 30 years) at a rate of $1 per year, though the agreement also includes an option to buy the land in the future.

As planning manager Pat Ross explained in previous reports to council, the city would ultimately pursue purchasing the land, but is going ahead with the lease first to allow for quicker access to the property.

Comments (17)

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Joey Manvilly on May 28, 2016 at 11:23 pm

Again, this is scandalous.
Please show us where the funding will come from and how future budgets will be managed at or below inflation.

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What is interesting in all this on May 28, 2016 at 1:25 pm

Most Councillors and Mayor are liberal supporters. You have Sandy Silver stating in this paper we should keep all the work in the Yukon but the Liberal Mayor for the City wants an outside firm to do all the work.
It's the right hand working with left hand.
You have the liberals promoting climate change by investing in green energy but this Mayor and City Manager pushing buses that are very dangerous to the health of City residents, especially in the river valley.
Then you have the Liberal leader jetting off to the Federal liberal convention and not being in the house.

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CJ on May 28, 2016 at 10:27 am

The power of a written report, no matter how biased towards building it was in the first place. "Says here we should build, case closed". It also seems we have a pretty healthy selection of architects and engineers here, so what's the necessity to go outside? Shouldn't value-added come into the equation? And I'd like to know what the basis is for Dan Curtis to declare that Whitehorse citizens are anxious to see shovels in the ground. He said that a couple of times, without being challenged. Anyway, of course people want to see shovels in the ground, in general. It looks like economic activity, no matter how vacuous and ill-fated the project might be. Quoting people who want jobs to support your pet project is like shooting fish in a barrel.

What bugs me is how the limitations of administration and council are on full display. Surely there's a whole suite of solutions available that aren't being discussed and have never been discussed. That's what could make the need "urgent". If they've got time to wait for design and tendering, the need isn't "urgent." If that's what anybody at City Hall really believes, they'd be leasing office space today, of which there seems to be an abundance. Why not stimulate the local economy that way, while a more rational look is taken at the wisdom of this ambitious project?

Roslyn Woodcock is fast turning into the Bev Buckway of this council.

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Josey Wales on May 28, 2016 at 8:04 am

I find that photo of "King Dan" very, very fitting for this article. Captures his disconnect and even better his absolute arrogance.

Gavel has been beat, peasants be gone!
Sergeant...remove the commoners with haste.
Nobles let us gather to feast...on the wares of "those people"

If I ever get a good jag of cash, not a grant..private money?
A movie could be made about this s**t-hole and the idiots in charge funnier than the Naked gun series.
'cept Leslie and the crews were just funnin', these folks are serious..really serious.

"A communist is a socialist that really, really means it!"

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north_of_60 on May 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm

Local companies designed and built the Public Safety Building, but that wasn't good enough for Curtis' Castle-on-the-Hill?
It's probably because they've hired so many people from outside the Yukon with no northern experience to act as 'managers' in the CoW's bureaucracy.

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Smurf on May 27, 2016 at 10:29 am

@ Umm pardon me:

Well said - and that's only some of our issues which we have right now. Not to mention the bridge and our crazy rental market...
But here are too many brainwashed people which have no doubt that this "castle" is the one and only right thing to do!

With this amount of money they could renovate the old buildings and build a second bridge plus some rental apartments which would make way more sense.
(Also another "task": Getting "real" ridership numbers and running smaller and/or hybrid buses which would be a way better "advertisement" for our city and transit system!)

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Councillors Boyd and Hartland lived up to their election promises on May 26, 2016 at 6:38 pm

As for the rest of them - ugh. And, am I the only one who thinks Councillor Fendrick should recuse himself from voting on this? When he was a city employee, he sat on a group that worked with Zedda and Kobayashi to produce the (amateurish) report that this whole fiasco is based on.

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they don't care what it costs.... on May 26, 2016 at 2:35 pm

Boyd and Hartland are the only ones who speak for the taxpayers,
Trying to get the rest of them to listen to reason is like shouting up the a**hole of a dead horse.

It's obvious from the quotes that they are merely parroting what the CoW bureaucracy tells them.

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It would be only common sense and no brainier on May 26, 2016 at 1:50 pm

to invest in training City staff on how to do proper patching of our roads. I just watched the staff and it was done wrong because they don't have the training and tools to do their jobs.
There has been over 2000 people confirm the City of Whitehorse staff do not get the support to do a proper job for our residents tax payers dollars.

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Umm pardon me on May 26, 2016 at 12:05 pm

http://www.whitehorse.ca/home/showdocument?id=632

Maybe you'll do the same thing as this?
Have you seen the number of shelved plans?

The building is falling apart around us; funny
Roads are falling apart too. Whitehorse Motors cross street is completely destroyed, fourth is horrible, cold mix on the two mile hill is lifting and is getting picked up by peoples tires and thrown at other vehicles, most of the centre lane pavers on the two mile hill are broken, cracked, or missing, septic upgrades are required in more than a few parts of the city (or we don't notice why that vac truck is always out and about; could you please release the photos of sewer cams that show how many cracked pipes are in/around the city? probably not), ruined recycling, ruined the dump, Whistle bend needs sand removal for each one of the houses (close to an inch of sand in some driveways), poor transit that has over inflated numbers because of free bus passes for students. The list goes on and on.

Let them eat cake

All of the above issues effect every resident who makes use of the city.
The council that voted for this should ask; "Did we do this for Whitehorse or did we do this for ourselves?"
Who utilizes that building?

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Just Say'in on May 25, 2016 at 8:42 pm

2,000,000.00 is a lot of ZERO's That would give twenty people 100,000.00 per year. How can it possibly cost that much? Why is this not spent completely locally and hire locals.

Are these successful companies responsible for the outcome of this process long term, or is it purely and estimate that no one will be accountable for????

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Martin on May 25, 2016 at 7:46 pm

There is only 2 names here to remember for the next city elections to be re-elected. Thanks Dan & Samson you'll get my support.

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Josey Wales on May 25, 2016 at 7:38 pm

Gee, what a shocker the palace moves forward.
Next "we have too much in blueprints invested we must move forward".
Predetermined outcome, the rest is mere acting.

Case in point..these geniuses that "run" this sty?
Figured it'd be a great idea to block off even more parking downtown ..the effin' fools must have no green space to use. Nah..the hell with commerce and people using "their" streets.
A clueless and entitled bunch of fools are in charge...clearly.

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Umbrage on May 25, 2016 at 6:55 pm

I would like to see a professional commercial building inspectors report on the condition of the 4th ave MSB. the unqualified opinion of some councillors and Mayor just doesn't cut ice with me. Also this referral to the ' surplus fund' like it was some kind of extra money that magically appeared somehow has got me miffed. The word "Emergency " is left off the intent for this surplus reserve that was obtained by gouging taxpayers excessively in the past and should have been deemed illegal. Most certainly it's use as a Capital building fund is bs. Councillors please don't be afraid of saying you don't know what your doing as this is big stuff. I give Councillors Hartland and Irwin credit for being reluctant to proceed recklessly in wanton fashion.
Mayor Curtis should do the honorable thing and resign as this is the worst decision in the history of Whitehorse. Even worse than the residential traffic circles and that is going some.

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Joey Manvilly on May 25, 2016 at 6:31 pm

Thank you Councillor Hartland and Boyd.

This is scandalous. We may see tax hikes of 5% per year for a decade. Why can't they tell us where the money is coming from and how this funding will translate into tax increases?

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Max Mack on May 25, 2016 at 4:19 pm

It seems to me that councillors do not understand that depreciation of capital assets affect operational costs and expenses the same way that leasing costs do. Both show up on the books as an expense.

That administration would bolster this thin argument (that capital costs do not affect expenses) is sophistry at its finest, and may be an entirely fraudulent claim.

Lease vs buy is a routine business decision that must be made based on a host of factors. If the City had been properly doing its homework, they would have investigated leasing options and performed a cost-benefit comparison.

But one thing I am sure of; the City will be looking to jack taxes and fees to pay for this folly (unless they substantially slash services and programs). I have very little confidence in the City's estimates. We are being sold a bill of goods, much like we were sold a bill of goods on the CGC and Mount Sima.

As the saying goes, there is a sucker born every minute.

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Francis Pillman on May 25, 2016 at 3:47 pm

The rubber stamp gang strikes again. So predictable. Vote for me, vote for me. I'll tell you what you want to hear. Then boom. S**tquake.

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