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RECYCLING DROP-OFF BINS TO CLOSE – Jacqueline Bedard, left, the president of the Raven Recycling Society, and executive director Joy Snyder talk about the pending closure of the 24-hour drop-off service Monday. Inset Shannon Clohosey

‘We are sad to be making this announcement today’

Starting next month, residents and businesses will have to find a new place to dump the bulk of their recycling.

By Christopher Reynolds on September 30, 2014

Starting next month, residents and businesses will have to find a new place to dump the bulk of their recycling.

The city’s oldest non-profit recycling plant will shut down its drop-off service — free to the public and open 24 hours — after Oct. 15 due to a lack of funding, the Raven Recycling Society announced Monday afternoon.

The impending services cutback threatens sustainability goals in the Yukon, including 50 per cent waste diversion by 2015, set by the City of Whitehorse and the territorial government, said Jacqueline Bedard, president of the non-profit society’s board.

“We are sad to be making this announcement today and apologize to all our customers who faithfully bring their recycling to Raven,” Bedard told a news conference Monday.

The facility will no longer accept any “non-refundables,” which include high volumes of cardboard, mixed paper and mixed plastics as well as tin, glass, Tetra Paks and Styrofoam.

Raven itself, one of only two recycling facilities in the territory, will remain open and continue to accept bottles, aluminum cans, scrap metal, computers and other materials “that come with a stable funding source,” the society said in a release.

The full range of recycling options will also continue for organizations and government offices that pay for the service.

“Today, we are in a situation where although we want to continue to provide more and better recycling services to the public, we cannot do so unless governments create a solid funding framework in which we can do our job,” Bedard said inside the recycling yard off Industrial Road.

The facility underwent major renovations in 2012 to improve services to the public.

She said the “diversion credits” that recycling operations receive from the city and the Yukon government for non-refundables translate to $150 per tonne. That compensation for effectively reducing landfill waste in the territory covers less than half the cost of processing the materials.

“If they doubled that, that would cover the cost in the short-term and we could keep going,” said Joy Snyder, Raven’s executive director.

The funding issue has been building for a number of years, she said. “We have cut expenses as much as possible, including laying off staff.”

Last year, Raven cut one full-time and one part-time position, with some remaining staff working reduced hours. Yesterday, the organization announced it had no choice but to cut two more full-time positions as well as a part-time job.

“It’s a sad day for all of us,” Snyder said.

Set to expire in December, the government diversion credit was put in place for one year as an interim measure while it develops a funding framework, Raven said.

Meanwhile, handling and processing fees from the territory have not been updated since 1992.

“Every time a pop can passes their desk, they get a penny. And then when we process it, we get a penny,” explained Shannon Clohosey, the city’s manager of environmental sustainability.

The territory also doles out cash under its Beverage Container Regulations to cover the processing cost of all pop, juice and liquor containers.

These comprise Raven’s “refundables” — only 11 per cent of the materials they handle.

Community Services Minister Brad Cathers did not return a call from the Star today before the paper went to press this afternoon.

An aide said the minister would be available later this afternoon.

For the foreseeable future, Raven recommends residents look to P&M Recycling on Ray Street, the Yukon Blue Bin Recycling Society’s pick-up program — available to some Whitehorse residents — or the recycle bins at the dump.

The government announced last week it is reviewing its compensation program for refundables. It is considering including milk containers as a refundable item alongside beer cans and pop bottles — already included — and increasing handling and processing fees, according to Raven.

Mayor Dan Curtis noted the city has contracted a consultant to study recycling possibilities, with a report due in November.

“We’ve been looking for short-term and long-term options together,” he said, emphasizing a collaborative approach to resurrecting Raven’s full body of services.

Back at the recycling yard, the executive director was not so hopeful.

“It’s a government responsibility,” Snyder said.

“The YG’s recent announcement on changes to the BCR (Beverage Container Regulations) is welcome and long overdue. Unfortunately for Raven, it is too little too late.”

Changes are not expected to be implemented for at least 12 months, “and we cannot hang on that long.”

Board director Bedard added: “No, there aren’t grounds for optimism.”

Pat McInroy, head of the privately run P&M Recycling, said he would do his best to handle the expected influx of material after Oct. 15

“We’re always open to new customers. If people want to bring their bottles and cans, and their non-refundables, we’ll certainly take it,” he said.

“Unfortunately, we can’t handle all the non-refundable stuff for all the customers of Raven.

“I think people are pretty savvy to the idea that we have to have some non-refundable stuff coming, just like Raven does now.”

Comments (30)

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wrong on Oct 15, 2014 at 10:37 pm

@ north of 60
It would be naive to assume there is any affiliation between PM and GW, they work exclusively with raven, good theory though. You do make a lot of good points, but that one is spreading ignorance.

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Mark on Oct 14, 2014 at 4:19 pm

@Josey Wales
Well said! I'm on my 19th year living here and I have to agree with you about the influx of "new age hippie". They are becoming like a cancer of this beautiful Yukon. They jump from cause to cause of their selfish agenda to make everyone feels the way they do. Some of these people are educated.....I refer to them as "educated idiots". All they have is their distorted view of truths as truth always proves them wrong. Some are products of the real hippies who got tired of being mocked by society and therefore result to bully tactics to spread their hatred of "the man". Well, I love the north and will continue to fight against this cancer. Simply by doing what we did to the 60's.... mock them and ignore them.

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north_of_60 on Oct 5, 2014 at 4:04 pm

At first Raven announced the bins will be shuttered on the 15th. Then an announcement in Friday's Star says they'll be shuttered immediately.

How can we trust anything Raven announces if they keep changing the story?

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north_of_60 on Oct 5, 2014 at 4:01 pm

@Dude

I read P&M's response to my comment and their assertion that they were sold to 'a corporation' in 2009, does not in any way deny their connections to the lucrative dumpster business in this small town.

It would be naive to assume otherwise. N'est-ce pas ?

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The Dude on Oct 4, 2014 at 10:47 pm

North of 60......if you are going to make wild assertions, such as "P&M has an almost total monopoly on the very lucrative dumpster business" at least try to attach a modicum of accuracy. There are two "dumpster" companies in the Yukon and P&M isn't remotely affiliated with either one.

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Duncan Sinclair on Oct 4, 2014 at 10:12 pm

Yukon needs to keep it's eye on the ball. First reducing and then diverting reusable, recyclable, compostable and other so called (mostly productive) "waste" from municipal "dumps". Let's get real, "dumps" are expensive and not sustainable. Where could the City of Whitehorse move to? There would be universal opposition.

The City of Whitehorse and the Yukon Government need to 'get off the pot' and do what is required to keep the Recycling Centre operating (a non-profit for Pete's sake). "Dumps" cost a bundle at tax payers expense.

If not what is the substitute? There is no substitute. I wonder where the blockage is. This is simple economics with social savings and the betterment of the environment in mind.

Why can't the Yukon Government and City of Whitehorse figure this out yesterday. Beyond pathetic really. This is 2014 and this story has been understood for several decades now. Gad.

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north_of_60 on Oct 3, 2014 at 7:31 pm

This recent Raven Recycling incident is a huge embarrassment to the CoW's Sustainability Department. It's blatantly obvious they haven't been doing their job. Their priority should be making recycling a viable sustainable enterprise, instead of frittering away our tax dollars on useless 'studies' , 'educational initiatives' and 'social engineering' schemes This is a wake-up call. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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north_of_60 on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:55 pm

How can the the city’s manager of environmental sustainability possibly justify her position and budget if she can't make Raven Recycling a sustainable enterprise?

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north_of_60 on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:43 pm

The recycling business is not a level playing field. P&M has an almost total monopoly on the very lucrative dumpster business. This allows them to maintain a less-than-profitable-recycling depot.

As well Raven processes non-refundable materials that P&M won't accept.

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CJ on Oct 2, 2014 at 11:07 am

North of 60 has a point. There's something grating about the messaging coming from the sustainability coordinator about "education" and "sustainability goals" while workers at Raven Recycling get laid off. Make no mistake about it, these people work hard. What a horrific thought, the city taking over that facility, or funding it, which may be a possibility if that's what those "discussions" are about.

I'm worried that some people's neurological make-up is being altered. Mention anything to do with people getting paid for anything but mining and those neurons light up like some evil feverish jungle infection. What exactly do all you guys do for a living that it would be beyond a second thought from observers? No coffee breaks? No computers? Who pays your bills? There are few really "essential" services. Should the rest of us be going door-to-door, swiping warm pies off the windowsill?

It's obvious that the Yukon Party is slowly working us back to their own utopia of the early 1980s. That's nothing to celebrate, believe me.

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Salar on Oct 2, 2014 at 10:29 am

What a bunch of arseholes.......to those (a considerable number it seems) in charge at RR (and in ALL levels of government).....ahem....you are not going to save the planet! Get out of the way!
How could something so simple get so f#$%^& up?
Perhaps the 'business' that is recycling has gotten greedier outside and the spinoff is reality for RR......it is pretty clear the RR folks are holding the Whitehorse periphery ransom....folks will dump their stuff in the bush.....it's already happening at the level it was prior to societies' awakening that garbage dumped in the bush just looks bad, among other things.....what a bunch of arseholes.

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Blue Bins on Oct 2, 2014 at 8:43 am

Tina--we have that service. It's call the Blue Bins. It's $20/month. It's outside of the recycling centres and city services, which is why I would imagine that it costs money because people are providing this service and need to cover their costs.

And I wonder what will happen with them now? Are they going to be shut down? From what I could tell, they were expanding and doing a great job.

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Just Say'in on Oct 1, 2014 at 10:05 pm

The problem is it is just not viable! There is absolutely no way that the cost of trucking alone can be covered by these items. Let alone the Trucks running up and down the road leave a larger environmental footprint then we are trying to correct. For years you have been very studiously washing bottles picking off labels sorting separating and taking things and putting them in separate bins at Raven just to see them haul it to the DUMP! Yes that is correct…. to the DUMP. Some one needs to come clean with all of this. What a waste of tax payers money. Things that can burn should be generating electricity. That is the only thing that has a possibility of being viable.

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Arctic Cat on Oct 1, 2014 at 8:16 pm

Enough with the government and city dumping money into this bottomless pit masquerading as a not-for-profit. What NFP is allowed to buy their building and land with money from us tax payers? Didn't RR get a huge sum of money from some government source to pave and improve their public drop off area? And now they're closing it? Those RR bins around town and the delivery trucks they use have been bought with mine and your tax paying dollar and now Raven's telling us they're only going to do "selective recycling"? What a joke!!
Let me get this straight...RR has received several hundred thousand dollars, but most likely well over a million or more, to buy equipment and provide services for Whitehorse recycling to make our community better and all that kumbayaa BS...and then turn around and been able to charge their customers for that service (commercial) and directly compete with a private business providing similar and in most cases, the exact same diversion of material from the landfill? How does that happen? Someone at RR must have caught someone at YG and CoW screwing the same goat because this makes no sense.
I hope part of the duties of this "consultant" is to do a forensic audit of RR's financial information. Does it not raise a flag to anyone that out of the several hundred thousand dollars Raven has been given over the past couple years they have not been able to make their business work? How does the private recycler do the same job with a fraction of the grant money Raven has received? Don't fool yourself thinking Raven Recycling is this huge processor dominating the Yukon recycling industry...they have duped us all with their advertising (paid for by us taxpayers of course). Raven Recycling is obviously not all about the environment...they care only about their bottom line. Thank you to whoever finally said enough is enough to this farse! and because that line has just been exposed for all of us to see. And it ain't "green" people...black and white and apparently shades of red.

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The Dude on Oct 1, 2014 at 8:08 pm

How is it that Pat McInroy can operate a comparable business and flourish in the absence of continual government handouts. It's simple, as a private businessman he must operate under a system which dictates he make sound decisions. He does not have a top heavy organization that has managers, supervisors and employees with overlapping duties. It's about time that RR survives under its own merit or not at all...........exactly like Mr McInroy has done for many years.

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Suspicious on Oct 1, 2014 at 5:04 pm

I wonder what kind of lobbying went on at the Yukon Party level?

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Tina on Oct 1, 2014 at 2:13 pm

I still think the way Calgary handles their recycling is a good process. Every house has a large blue bin just like our compost/garbage ones. You put everything in it (plastic, cardboard, tin, glass etc) and it is picked up each week along with the garbage. An $8.00 charge is added to your city bill each month for the service. The charge may have increased but it sure made recycling easy and prob helped with the cost.

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Recycling Works!! on Oct 1, 2014 at 12:10 pm

I am a firm believer that recycling works, I can't believe how much stuff we can divert from the land fill now. I would gladly pay extra for anything that has way too much packaging if it meant that it could be recycled.
It is too bad that Raven wasn't a mining company, yukon party would be falling over themselves giving them our tax dollars!!

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Craig Dempsey on Oct 1, 2014 at 12:06 pm

I think to continue funding an organization where there is a private business trying to be viable is unfair. If you are going to apply public funds to an organization that is admirable, however it must be done in a fashion that is fair for other businesses attempting to make a living from it. If you fund one you must fund others providing the service.

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Rorex1983 on Oct 1, 2014 at 10:16 am

Personally I think Raven should be doing some sort of fund raising. I am sure a lot of people would be willing to donate money to ensure the company stays in its current operational capacity for the coming year. To not do so would undoubtedly have a negative effect on the environment and increase the amount of recyclables going to the landfill. With todays social media it would be quite easy to start a fund raising campaign.

Is this another example (like SIMA) of a NFP that has been on the government funding for so long that they have forgotten how to fund raise?

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Wayne on Oct 1, 2014 at 6:15 am

They're not sad, they're on strike.

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Judy Gudlaugson on Oct 1, 2014 at 1:52 am

Wow! I used this facility often when up visiting from Alberta. The 24 hour use, and the amount of things they accepted was great. I always thought Alberta should set up something so easy to use. Great loss for Whitehorse. I can see a lot of people not recycling now

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Joy McLeod on Sep 30, 2014 at 11:33 pm

What is going on with recycling??? We've had changes here on the Sunshine Coast and they are not positive - no more glass recycling, etc. So many areas seem to be going backwards now - why??

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Max Mack on Sep 30, 2014 at 10:35 pm

The timing of this announcement is suspect, and it seems that this is a cynical ploy to put pressure on government to cough up more funding. How much does Raven already take in from government coffers and private donors, including their share of refundables?

Increasing "recycling" and "environmental" fees on products may very well backfire, as the reduction in demand may actually result in a reduction in revenues - further exacerbating an apparently "crisis" funding situation.

Rumour has it that Raven has been taking garbage-truck loads of certain non-refundables to the landfill for years. Makes you wonder what we're paying for?

Perhaps the jam isn't worth the squeeze, as they say. Perhaps the costs of a taxpayer-funded recycling facility are not nearly offset by the benefits?

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Yukoner Forever on Sep 30, 2014 at 6:31 pm

Way to go Pat! None of Raven's government largesse but still going strong! Free enterprise and entrepreneurialism in the Yukon!

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Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Sad are ya? Are ya sad we can see the political eco extortion?
I never cared for the "Raven" experience but rather choose to go the PM way.
At PM there are (that I've seen) zero pretenses and folks happier than they should be...just givin' 'er.
At Raven one needs to form a committee, have a meeting, schedule an appointment...to recycle metals? And boy-O-boy you best not ask anyone there to do anything 15 minutes prior to the end of their shift, cuz MEGA MEGA attitude you will get!
The RR crews in my mind are a mirror image of the Sima entitled crews, absolutely saturated with entitlements.
Perhaps since land is so scarce and valuable up here, we should raze RR return the land to the government and build some more swank just like in Toronto condos complete with a rack for your ski's and a storage room to check your epic entitlements.
"new age hippies suck, we have too many of them here"
we need a purge...huuuuuugely so!

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north_of_60 on Sep 30, 2014 at 5:08 pm

How can the CoW justify an overpaid Department of Sustainability, that seems to only manage 'studies' by outside 'experts', while allowing the recycling facility to close?

What a perfect example of misplaced priorities. In fact, the only thing 'sustainable' with the CoW government are the ongoing examples of misplaced priorities.

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Not in a hurry on Sep 30, 2014 at 3:59 pm

Hooray!
Another positive story today! First we can expect higher fares for Air North flights in the future and now we have to deal with another money pit and increasing overall costs (20 $ per month for Blue Bin - another mysterious "society") in this "oh so wonderful city".
Or does anybody think that P&M can handle the amount of waste from Raven Recycling?
Also the landfill bins belong to Raven Recycling as well...
Is any business or organization out there which is able to do their job PROPERLY and without any funding or cookie cutter wages???

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Francis's Pillman on Sep 30, 2014 at 3:45 pm

You guys get enough of my tax dollars. I don't recycle anyway. I pretend to and in my books that is more than sufficient.

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Adele Sandrock on Sep 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm

Brad Cathers is exercising the ostrich method as usual and Mayor Dan Curtis needs a consultant to throw the money out of the window instead of using common sense. Why don't you all go home?

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