Whitehorse Daily Star

Pizzeria’s comment sparks boycott threat

A local restaurant owner says she will consider all job applications that come in regardless of whether a man or woman is applying.

By Stephanie Waddell on November 19, 2014

A local restaurant owner says she will consider all job applications that come in regardless of whether a man or woman is applying.

She is also apologizing for any offence that occurred with a comment made on Facebook.

A number of locals say they will boycott Tony’s Pizza after a post – that has since been taken down – on Tony’s Facebook page.

The restaurant initially posted a status advertising for a pizza chef.

When a woman stated in a comment that she had already applied “a long time ago,” Tony’s replied by stating: “I would prefer to have a male in the kitchen, less distraction for the other male employees.”

It’s a comment that raised the ire of a number of Yukoners arguing on Facebook it is sexist and discriminatory. Many go on to state they will be boycotting the local pizza shop in light of the comment.

Others offering comments say the initial remark was taken out of context and defend the restaurant, including an opinion from a female employee who praises the work environment there. Others have pointed out there are a number of other workplaces that follow similar suit in their employment practices.

“If I could take it back, I would,” Kathleen Lundgaard, Tony’s co-owner, said in an interview Tuesday afternoon. “People who know us know we’re not like that.”

Noting that she doesn’t recall even seeing the résumé of the woman who said she had applied for the job, Lundgaard said she made the comment based on past experience.

Right now, all the other positions in the kitchen are staffed by men, she explained.

While she’d love to have a woman working there, in the past when she’s hired female staff for the kitchen, they’ve complained about “being picked on” by the male employees.

It is primarily men who apply for jobs in the kitchen and thus have primarily been hired. While some women have worked in the kitchen’s restaurant during its 13-year history and have worked out well, others haven’t.

Lundgaard said she has come to the defence of the female staff in the past, and has worked to rectify the situation and create a better workplace for both men and women, but the situation seems to recur.

She noted she wouldn’t want a new employee feeling uncomfortable in a kitchen where all other employees are male.

Lundgaard also noted the restaurant has had an issue with female workers who don’t show up for shifts or who quit shortly after starting to work there.

She also acknowledged that such situations haven’t always been limited to female employees.

Lundgaard also said the job has been posted for a number of months while she and her husband had worked 10- to 12-hour days to deal with the short-staffing issue.

Had the right candidate come along – male or female – she said, the restaurant would hire the person.

Other restaurant kitchens throughout the country are also dominated by male employees, Lundgaard noted, stating her belief that ideally, it would be more co-ed.

Asked for her response to customers boycotting the restaurant, Lundgaard said it’s their choice to go elsewhere.

She also noted her hope that one comment on social media wouldn’t tarnish the 13 years her family has spent building the Copper Road business and its reputation.

While she acknowledged that “what’s done is done,” Lundgaard said those familiar with her family and the restaurant know the Facebook status doesn’t represent who the family is and the business they run. It was an “isolated” thing, she said.

While many on Facebook have talked of boycotting the restaurant, Blake Lepine has taken it one step further with an email to the Yukon Human Rights Commission to complain about the comment.

Lepine told the Star Tuesday it’s clear discrimination.

“It needs to be addressed,” he said of the decision to take up the issue with the commission.

Beyond finding the post “infuriating,” he argued it shows the restaurant clearly caters to its male employees.

Since he posted his complaint to the commission on his Facebook page, he said he’s heard from past employees of the restaurant supporting the move and offering their experience.

The commission, however, may not be able to investigate the complaint.

Heather MacFadgen, its human rights director, said she could not speak specifically to it as such matters are treated as confidential until they’ve been dealt with or go to the board of adjudication for a decision.

Under its legislation, she said, complaints must come from the person who was discriminated against.

The board of adjudication is an independent panel with members appointed by the legislature which conducts public hearings into complaints that can’t be settled or in special circumstances where the commission refers the matter to the board.

The Yukon Human Rights Act states: “It is discrimination to treat any individual or group unfavourably on any of the following grounds:

(a) ancestry, including colour and race;

(b) national origin;

(c) ethnic or linguistic background or origin;

(d) religion or creed, or religious belief, religious association, or religious activity;

(e) age;

(f) sex, including pregnancy, and pregnancy-related conditions;

(g) sexual orientation;

(h) physical or mental disability;

(i) criminal charges or criminal record;

(j) political belief, political association or political activity;

(k) marital or family status;

(1) source of income;

(m) actual or presumed association with other individuals or groups whose identity or membership is determined by any of the grounds listed in paragraphs (a) to (1). S.Y. 2002, c.116, s. 7.

Section 9 of the act then notes a person can’t discriminate in a number of situations, including “.... in connection with any aspect of employment or application for employment.”

A further section sets out circumstances where treatment may be deemed as not being discrimination, including:

“(a) reasonable requirements or qualifications for the employment;

(b) a criminal record or criminal charges relevant to the employment;

(c) sex, so as to respect the privacy of the people to whom accommodations or a service or facility is offered.

MacFadgen said it takes an average of about 13 months to deal with a formal complaint, though she stressed as an average, cases can take a shorter or longer amount of time depending on the individual case.

There are a number of ways to deal with matters that come in, she said.

Those can range from a more informal resolution involving the parties to a formal investigation to going to the board of adjudication for a decision.

In cases where discrimination has been determined to have occurred, the commission can make orders to stop the discrimination, pay damages for financial loss and/or compensation for “injury to dignity, feelings or self-respect.”

Comments (34)

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Justice? What justice on Nov 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Lots of comments on this piece. Too bad there is not the same amount of outrage about the "Father sentenced for domestic assault" Star Nov. 21. Beat your girlfriend, threaten with a gun in front of your child, hunt her down in the snow while she runs barefoot until frostbite ......12 months community sentence! Now that folks is something to get outraged about.

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Retired on Nov 24, 2014 at 12:35 pm

Are you kidding me? The pizzeria comment got more comment responses than the reaction to the corruption that exists in the the Yukon Education Department! There is something really 'not okay' in Yukon when a remark by a pizza shop owner, who apologized, raises the ire of citizens to such a frenzy. So sad.

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brian on Nov 23, 2014 at 10:21 am

I support Tonys, I eat there for the good food.

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Casuck Nation on Nov 22, 2014 at 9:33 pm

Slow news week? Stupid or not. It's facebook.

Next in the news: I have updated my Facebook status to "I'm So Bored!"

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Josey Wales on Nov 21, 2014 at 11:11 am

Maybe that is why there are so so many ladies in our government offices and few men...'cept inverse? Never once have I seen a dude plant a flower for the CoW, always venus types...certain a mere coincidence eh?
Ever read some of the ads on Yuwin? they often read like we are still in the 50's.

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No Name on Nov 21, 2014 at 9:27 am

Kathleen Lundgaard do you think that stating, "the restaurant has had an issue with female workers who don’t show up for shifts or who quit shortly after starting to work there." is making things better? Are you stating that Women specifically do these things? Seriously...

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Jaymanc on Nov 21, 2014 at 1:51 am

And it's articles like this that I never buy the star anymore. Used too every day. As for the bashers and boycotters, get a life, or a hobby. Simple. Not like you all never made mistakes or said something wrong before. Shame.

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wow on Nov 20, 2014 at 11:42 pm

Are there seriously people justifying this comment? If your daughter wanted to be a chef or enter the culinary workplace, all you have to do is watch the food network to understand how undermined females already are. Some people forget that a lot of females work, then get home, then cook for their kids and family. Work is a huge factor in their day, it helps a family survive in todays economic structure. What if someone had told her that women don't make good owners as it so often was said in the stone-ages, if you think she's such a good owner than she probably mocked those with such little minds and pushed on-wards and up-wards. But then why ever would you assume "from past experience" anything?! That's a bit much, you're generalizing and discriminating in the process. I enjoyed the food, but just wow. I would even have kept eating there had they not removed the original facebook post. There is nothing more true than a person showing they are wrong but not truly willing to admit it than deleting it so the public doesn't have a chance to speak up. If you care about your customers you'll let them be mad at you and you'll fix it. But that's only what sorry people do, others just make a joke and pretend they're the victim. That's not going to get my business, that's just cowardly.

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DMZ on Nov 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm

Blake Lepine, calling the Human Rights Commission for this tempest in a teapot is really out of line. Do you work for the government? Because you seem very willing to put someone else's business on the line.

Sure, it was an unsophisticated, ill-advised remark. But it doesn't exactly resonate as incorrigible.
We have so much else going on that needs attention. Honestly, so much of what's called news these days seems more like sanctioned gossip.

Get off your high horse, Blake.

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north_of_60 on Nov 20, 2014 at 10:35 pm

The only mistake the owner made was mentioning gender. They could have responded, "We will select the candidate most compatible with our existing kitchen staff." An employer doesn't have to give a reason for their selection.

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BnR on Nov 20, 2014 at 6:56 pm

Can a woman be guilty of making sexist comments towards other women? Monty Python could make a great skit out of this.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...."
Regardless, I'll keep on patronizing Tony's.

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Full moon on Nov 20, 2014 at 3:05 pm

Is it Full moon or society just going far beyond?

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Virgil on Nov 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm

Just think of Christina Hassard and Intersport.

To avoid drama avoid the problem.

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Just a Yukoner on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:46 pm

I love how it's ok for the owners to "state their opinion". But anyone who states an opinion in response to that opinion gets jumped on. There's no need for a witch hunt, I agree. But there is also no way this should be swept under the rug. No one wants to see Tony's shut down...they want to see this situation rectified. I'd be embarrassed to be a male kitchen staff member there because according to my boss I can't control myself in the presence of a female. Seriously? We got a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals back there slapping together our pizzas? I mean as a business owner, even if you truly think that...don't say it on a public forum unless you are ready for the backlash. Glad for the apology, but yeah...it feels like something that was strongly recommended by a lawyer

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big north on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm

@Sledgehammer - read my comment more carefully.... I did not say that social media could not be used, I said that tarnishing the comment all over social media is not ok. By this I am referring to Blake posting this on Whitehorse Buy and Sell while saying he is reporting this to Human Rights. Where is the line in the sand? In my opinion, this was taken too far and was a form of cyber-bullying. If you want to report someone to Human Rights fine, but you should not bully someone all over Facebook while doing so....

Again, this was a idiotic comment and I believe that education on why this comment is not acceptable is needed. However, if a small business owner preferences a male worker that is their right. Take a look at job postings around Canada, this is a perfectly acceptable practice. Unfortunately for Tony's Pizza, the wrong response was written. It is amazing how a few words can get so many people upset...

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Home Skillet on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:16 pm

Open question to Tony's:

Should I be concerned to let my wife/daughter/mother/sister/aunt go to your restaurant with those type of men working in the kitchen?
Can you assure me that they won't be harassed?

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Greg on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:10 pm

I don't find comments from this Pizza shop discriminatory, they are actually just helping removing "real discrimination" by hiring men. It's sad that our society often neglect men's rights. Let's support this Pizza shop by eating more there, dear men, if some women boycott!

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Unreal on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:08 pm

@ Roxy who said: " She is only protecting her staff to avoid any harassment issues."
So she is using gender discrimination to protect women from harassment? That's rich.
What she stated is illegal. What she needs to do is fire the idiots that can't get through a workday without harassing a woman (also illegal) How is it that she (as a woman) is okay to work there? Do the male kitchen staff harass her?

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Wow.... on Nov 20, 2014 at 12:40 pm

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with Bobby Bitman! You nailed it!
We're missing the point here folks, I'm sure the owners of Tony's Pizza are nice / hardworking / wonderful - but the comment they made was TERRIBLE for the reasons Bobby Bitman has articulated so well.

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bobbybitman on Nov 20, 2014 at 11:56 am

The men are harassing the women, so here's the solution: "Do not hire women."

Brilliant thinking process. How about asking the women to wear burqa's? That's what they do in some countries, so those women don't cause the men to harass them.

Better yet, how about firing the men who are harassing the women?!

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oh jeez on Nov 20, 2014 at 10:12 am

People are sensitive these days. You can't say anything anymore without wondering who you will offend.
I am female, and I wouldn't take offense to that comment.

Some (on facebook comments) have suggested firing the current staff if it's that bad in there, but really, why would you fire them for comments they may make if they show up daily and do their job. You're hard pressed to find staff in this town in general--especially in the private sector. It was almost a warning that the current cooks don't have a filter so if you're "sensitive" then it's probably not the best fit for you. I'm sure there are some females out there who could probably not only handle it, but maybe even disgust a few of them and put them to shame!

Anyways...they made a comment, it wasn't meant to be hurtful, etc, they apologized, let's move on. I can't believe this actually made the newspaper...and I saw that it even went national.

Let's focus on our senior government getting jobs that they aren't qualified for and leave this successful, hard working LOCAL business alone.

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Billy on Nov 20, 2014 at 9:08 am

I think the article may have been better written as an example of how cyber bullying can damage people and businesses. Mr. Lepine embarked on a campaign of cyber bullying before verifying his facts or contacting the owners to facilitate any kind of remediation before calling for a boycott widely across social media. I wonder if Mr. Lepine would enjoy being on the other end of a cyber bullying campaign the next time he accidentally says something out of turn?

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Jonathan Colby on Nov 20, 2014 at 8:19 am

The apology offered by Kathleen is self-serving and minimizing. This was never about offending people, this was about an employer publishing its adherence to a hiring practice that stands in direct contravention to human rights as defined in this country. Furthermore, if female employees were being picked on by male staff, and this was, as the employer intimates, a gender issue, the male employees should have been dealt with by directly addressing the issue with them. Being a victim of workplace harrassment is not the fault of the victim, and discriminating against possible employees based on gender to avoid dealing with existing workplace discrimination is not an acceptable solution.

I think the original comments are the true opinion of this employer, and I think her comments in this article reinforce that opinion. Many people leaping to defend her should understand that this isn't some off the cuff remark made by their friend. This is an employer who shared their discriminatory hiring practices in a public forum. The apology didn't come until much later, didn't address the actual issue, and was only offered after attempting to erase any evidence of wrongdoing. There was no acknowledgement of guilt, just an attempt to make the problem go away. Similarly, if your male employees are causing issues for your female employees, avoiding female kichen hires in the future is simply an effort to make the problem go away.

Kathleen Lundgaard isn't sorry. She's sorry she got caught. There's a difference.

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BnR on Nov 20, 2014 at 7:04 am

Do people have so little to do in their lives that they need to focus in something like this? Really?

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kelly on Nov 19, 2014 at 8:11 pm

To the former restaurant owner: how is basically accepting harassment of female employees, to the point of no longer even hiring women, helping to "keep a healthy environment in the workplace"? It sounds like the owner's actions have had the exact opposite effect.

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north_of_60 on Nov 19, 2014 at 6:37 pm

What a mean spirited 'public reaction' fomented by a few busybodies. Don't those sorts of people have something useful to do with their lives?

The folks who own Tony's are good people; I support their employment decisions for a socially healthy productive workplace. They have every right to choose the new employee they believe will work best with their existing kitchen crew; for whatever reason. Their only mistake was even mentioning gender at all.

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Roxy on Nov 19, 2014 at 6:26 pm

I've known Kathleen since I was a child....she has never been discrimitory in her life. She is kind and thoughtful to friends and staff. She is one of the most amazing ppl I know. ..and cannot understand small town gossip exploding and twisting a small comment into a major issue. She is only protecting her staff to avoid any harassment issues. I am deeply hurt that anyone would think she was malicious. ....when she is the exact opposite.
Tony's Pizza has grown to be the best pizza place in town.....They grew from a small place in Horwoods to a much bigger place and has seating for a restaurant....They did this because of the customers that they appreciate everyday. They now have a bigger menu and a cute lil restaurant. ...They always have a smile on their faces when they greet you and it has the cozy lil feeling of home there. For people to "boycott" the restaurant. ...you should all feel ashamed on yourselves .. when anyone who knows them all see and feel the same way towards them everytime. ...Please stop joining into the gossip and treat them they way you've always been treated by them.....They are not in the wrong.....over silly wording .....Please do the right thing and keep Tony's Pizza as part of your family ♡

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sledgehammer of reason on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:53 pm

@big north:
I disagree. The avenue (social media) is perfectly acceptable as a means for citizens to hold people accountable for their business practices. If not for social media, discriminatory practices at Tony's Pizza would never have been addressed.

However, I must say I am in no way in favour of a boycott. A boycott not only punishes the owners, but also the wage earners who depend on a healthy, thriving business so they can pay their bills.

As for the owners, punishing them with a boycott or further vilifying them in the media really serves no useful purpose. I think they know they did wrong, and now the onus is on them to creatively right that wrong, and to bring themselves back into the fold of our community.

As for Blake - I must stand and applaud you sir. You saw something that wasn't right, and you made your voice heard, even though that wasn't (at times, with some people) the popular choice. Following this on facebook the last couple of days, I see that Blake has been criticized and ridiculed for his actions - standing up against social injustice.

Thank you Blake, and welcome home Tony's Pizza

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June Jackson on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:42 pm

Its his business..hire whoever you want to in my opinion. You see ads every day "First Nation only need apply" or "Job for visible minority".. Royal Bank fired 45-50 people to hire Foreign Workers.

If Tony's wants to work the pizza oven himself 14 hours a day because he doesn't want to hire someone with blue eyes, or black beard, or had size 12 feet (someone might trip over them) OR male or female, go ahead.

Today however, EVERY ONE knows their rights. One should keep in mind that whatever passes for law in Canada these days will be much, much harder on a little Tony's Restaurant than it would be on or was, on big business like the Royal Bank.

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born'n'raised on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:34 pm

"While she’d love to have a woman working there, in the past when she’s hired female staff for the kitchen, they’ve complained about “being picked on” by the male employees."

Generally when female staff complain of harassment from male coworkers, the employer should examine the behaviour of said male employees, and deal with it like adults. Clearly they said "wow, that's a problem... I know, let's just not hire females, then there won't be any more harassment complaints."

I really don't care if Tony's is a mom and pop type place, or if the pizza is good, or if they are "truly good people and just messed up". A business don't just "accidentally" have sexist hiring ethics.

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Angelina on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:21 pm

Ummm , but discrimination occurs all the time. It is called preferential hiring. Those of aboriginal ancestry will be given consideration before others, how is that not a human rights issue.

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ricardo colaci on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm

I had been eating at Tony's Pizza for many years; since they started at the corner shop in the Horwood's Bldg. I’d found them to be the kindest type of restaurant owners to patrons and staff. As a former restaurant owner myself, I can understand their effort to keep a healthy environment in the workplace. Too bad few applicants can’t understand that. Dammed if you do,………… you know the rest.

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Jodie on Nov 19, 2014 at 4:22 pm

If you have a female kitchen staff member who complains they are being "picked on" by male staff members Tony's solution is to not hire female staff in the kitchen? What kind of men are you hiring that they would treat another staff member like that, male or female? Sounds like it's not a female in the kitchen that is the problem at that restaurant. All the parts of this article where Tonys comments sounds odd in my opinion.

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big north on Nov 19, 2014 at 4:13 pm

I do not think that this should have gone as far as it did. It was a idiotic comment that Tony's Pizza must regret. However, the avenue that people used to showcase this social media mishap was beyond acceptable. This is someones livelihood and it is not ok to tarnish this all over Facebook or in the newspaper. I would be embarrassed if i was Blake or the local newspapers!

A piece such as the need to be careful over social media, or how social media is a player in today's businesses would have been better articles than this one...

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