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Park socials may get a lot more complicated

Hosting a park picnic could involve a lot more paperwork for anyone planning to invite 10 or more people.

By Stephanie Waddell on July 24, 2015

Hosting a park picnic could involve a lot more paperwork for anyone planning to invite 10 or more people.

A proposed revised city policy around parks use would require city park and/or paved trail space to be booked for organized events.

It’s proposed the policy be renamed as the “Use of city parks and paved trails policy”.

The rules would require bookings for parks and paved trails to be made for any commercial events; anyone looking for temporary exclusive use for under 10 people or any organized event involving 10 or more people.

While that stands to include informal social events with more than 10 people, the city’s director of community and recreation services says the intent is more about managing city park space for all users.

Linda Rapp explained Wednesday the new policy comes in light of increased use of public spaces by larger organized groups.

It’s great to see group of, say, 30 people doing yoga in a public park, Rapp said.

But such a group can take up a large amount of space, she added. The city wants to ensure there is space available for other users who come to the park.

“That’s the kind of thing we want to manage,” Rapp said.

The challenge is deciding what numbers for a gathering would warrant booking requirements, she said.

Officials looked at policies that are being adopted in other communities, often in response to a “burgeoning personal fitness industry,” parks supervisor Marc Boulerice stated in a report to council.

“The City of Kelowna, B.C., for example, has responded to this trend by issuing ‘outdoor fitness activities in parks’ permits. The permit’s rationale is to address the growing volume of organized fitness activities in city parks during peak season.”

The permits grant approval for fitness businesses to use city parks, but don’t provide exclusive use.

Port Coquitlam, B.C. has a similar approach targeted to boot camps often hosted in public parks. Other municipalities across the country, in the U.S. and Australia, are moving in the same direction.

“The common rationale is that with increasing rates of obesity and diabetes, greater importance is being placed on parks and other public open spaces as a way to promote and provide opportunities for people to engage in physical exercise and adopt an active lifestyle,” notes the report to council.

“Such policy measures are designed to establish a fair and reasonable framework that allows commercial operators to be an integral part of the local community through the sustainable use of parks and public open spaces while promoting the benefits of physical activity.”

In Whitehorse, it’s proposed that all park and trail bookings be considered on a case-by-case basis.

The process would include a pre-event site meeting with parks staff to determine the group members’ need and precise location that would then be marked for their event.

Commercial operations using public parks would be responsible for liability insurance and naming the city under the insurance policy.

All groups would be responsible for getting any licences, permits or other paperwork they may need at their own expense.

Competing events could not book for the same area unless authorized by the manager of parks.

As Rapp pointed out, for example, if there were three groups looking to do a bike ride in the same area of the Millenium Trail, the large number of people could take away from the enjoyment of individuals out on the trail.

Under the new booking system, the city could potentially arrange different times for each group, thereby helping to ensure everyone looking to use the trail can do so without a lot of conflict.

Rapp emphasized the city isn’t looking to make hosting a simple picnic or party in its parks an onerous procedure but rather ensure the space is managed for everyone’s enjoyment.

As for how long a park or paved trail would have to be booked in advance, Rapp said, it’s expected that provided no one else has already reserved the location being sought, it would be a simple matter of calling the city even on the day of the event, meeting parks staff at the site and having it reserved the day of the event.

As for enforcement if the policy is adopted, she expects it would become somewhat “self-regulating” in time as more people become aware of it.

She doesn’t expect bylaw officers to be patrolling parks at all times to ensure the policy is adhered to, but rather parks staff who are already working in the area would inform any groups they encounter of the policy.

Word-of-mouth would also likely play a role in making sure residents are informed of the need to book space for certain events, Rapp pointed out.

Council will vote on whether to adopt the policy next week.

Comments (21)

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I've read the article 3 times and still don't get it.... on Jul 30, 2015 at 3:59 pm

But maybe I'm just being thick. Is it business operators they are going after and if so, does that mean a group of kids with childcare workers would need a permit before using the playground equipment??? Or a family having a birthday party, if more than 10 people are present? But no matter what, I can't help but think that they are trying to fix a problem that just doesn't exist.

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Billbo on Jul 30, 2015 at 8:15 am

These groups could use the soccer fields for assembly as the fields are unused for most of the summer season. These fields are in AAA condition.

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Are we surprised on Jul 29, 2015 at 2:40 pm

... we shouldn't be so surprised at any of this. Their decision making has been questionable for quite sometime.
Remember this is a Council that hired an unqualified City Manager. Paid them $175,000.00 a year and recently gave them another $5,000.00 raise.

... and also fully funded them to go to school to get a degree. Whitehorse tax payers footed the bill for this.
The more we learn about this hire the more one suspects that there is something sleazy at work here.

So, now in a city led by a City Manager who was hired with no experience managing a community of any size are we surprised that the right to assemble is being curtailed.
What country are we living in? What year is this?

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Yukon Recreator on Jul 28, 2015 at 8:09 pm

Unbelievable. The City Bureaucrats are Sick with Power. I thought Freedom of Assembly was a part of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The two small yoga studios that have about 12 or 13 people per class are not taking up too much space and are not in anyone's way. How sad. Obesity is a problem and children should be outside playing... and yet we can't use our own parks for recreating, for having a bbq with a group of friends, or a wedding or birthday celebration without red tape and fees. Too much power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats, who have obviously never been to large international cities like Hong Kong, who seem to have little issue or problem with large groups of people recreating in the large, beautiful urban parks there. Hundreds of people doing Tai Chi, without (gasp!!) a pemit!! Large groups of coworkers eating lunch together (how dare they?).

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Dave S on Jul 28, 2015 at 8:08 pm

I think there will be a change of guard at the next city elections unless the people we voted for step up and reign in some of these city managers that are in love with inventing new rules and regulations. The 'City of Whitehorse' makes Yukon Government look good.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 28, 2015 at 6:23 pm

I am really glad my young family moved here when we did. It was 1978 and life here was much simpler after living a lifetime in the rural Vancouver area. There was a greater sense of community and planners and politicians looked at a bigger picture than revenue generation and adding layers of control on the residents. But some really great things were done back then.
I think we're getting too big for our britches and we need to step back and re-evaluate what's important in making and maintaining a respectful, smart and engaged community. The scope of investment that has gone into recreational facility options and the subsidized admission charges for a population that does not utilize all that is available is just dumb. If people are using it great, if too many people want to use it, get them to organize themselves- why does some level of government need to step in and increase their largess?
There are NGOs and a Volunteer organization available to help make this stuff work- keep government regulation out of it. And if you don't want government getting into these things get off your ass and get involved.

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Finally everyone agreeing on City outlandish screams on Jul 28, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Finally everyone agreeing on City outlandish screams.
What do you expect from a Mayor and group of liberals who like to tax and spend.

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Max Mack on Jul 28, 2015 at 10:57 am

I'm of two minds on this proposal. On the one hand, we see certain large groups essentially taking over the beach volleyball pits and the nearby covered picnic area almost every single weekend. This effectively denies other users the opportunity to use these facilities.

On the other hand, is demand on park/trail facilities really that large that these bylaws are warranted? Someone will have to manage the process, take applications, track approvals. Enforcement will be asked to investigate complaints and violations. Think dedicated staff time. This costs time and money. Undoubtedly, CoW will be looking to recover those costs through yet another round of fee/penalty/tax increases.

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Matt on Jul 27, 2015 at 2:08 pm

So someone went to Kelowna, a city of 750,000 and thought we had the same problems? Do not pass go, do not collect.........

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Matt on Jul 27, 2015 at 2:07 pm

Listen up.....how stupid can you get at city hall? Wait..take the 5th on the that for your own protection. This is totally overkill and I hope that 20 people gather in the park with the middle finger extended to City Hall. And as for charging fees....naw, just shed 2 councillors and 1/2 pack of managers.

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Public Assembly on Jul 27, 2015 at 1:24 pm

I thought I understood the rationale when I first read the article, but the more I think about it the more I really dislike this idea.

it flirts with discouraging people a) from using parks and 2) from gathering in large, spontaneous groups. Those parks are needed to give people the outdoor space that higher density is putting at a premium. You should be able to use them without phoning the city to check first. I know the city is saying large groups of a number they haven't defined yet, but even when they do it will leave a question mark in the air. That's what word of mouth does. Can we do this, or that? Can we kick a soccer ball around or does that need a permit now? Oh-oh. We're up to 12 people. Better go home. We really should have had a pre-meeting about this.

Plus the additional signage, all the textual paraphernalia that goes with explaining to users you can do this, you can do that, this is a permitted area, we like you in groups of so many, but not that many. Then should parks crews be charged with enforcing this (they're going to go up to groups and "inform" them)? And like others, I suspect fees will follow.

The city needs to remember that there's freedom of assembly in this country. (The federal building is already compromising this.) It also needs to firmly establish within its departmental mind what exactly a public space is. I'm not so sure they get to define that.

I get that using terms like "a burgeoning fitness industry" leads people to think businesses are profiting from using available public space instead of renting facilities. Is that such a problem yet? Parks also need to be animated with people. This proposal will gather in a lot of smaller fish in its net. It needs to go back to the drawing table.

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Just Say'in on Jul 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

What we need to do is get rid of any people in Government that make stupid decisions. Bureaucracy gone wild. We must stop this, it is ruining and bankrupting our city. If they insist on making stupid decisions then get rid of them and do not refill their position. It will make the ones that are left consider their decisions a little more closely.

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Frank Silva on Jul 26, 2015 at 8:22 am

I agree with "Old School"... the City is creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I walk by both those parks every day on my lunch hour and it's great to see people enjoying them and doing a variety of activities. I have yet to see a problem with lack of space or groups getting in each others way. Cripes, do we need a permit to do EVERYTHING in this bloody town? Stop the nonsense!

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Fed Up on Jul 25, 2015 at 3:59 pm

Mark my words, if not next year, the year after there will be a charge for using these spaces, just like the BIG CITIES that all these Over Paid Thinkers come from.

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Mark S on Jul 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm

I agree that this is needed! Maybe they should also have to pay for a permit.

If there is a group of 12 young people sitting in a park or talking on a trail it's scary for older people. And there should be permits required for children's birthday parties. We should then be able to call bylaw and ask if young adults of children celebrating a birthday party have a permit to sit and talk or assemble and party in a public space.

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Lost in the Yukon on Jul 25, 2015 at 8:15 am

Egads ... a typical response from bureaucrats with too much time on their hands. The Parks and Rec folks should get together with the Road folks and insert a roundabout so the thousands they anticipate creating these problems don't bump into each other.
Heck maybe we need a policy for using the sidewalks on Main Street - really gets busy there some times, especially if a Tour Bus lets 40 people off to wander about en masse.

I wonder if the impromptu volleyball games that break out in a Rotary Park will have to get a permit?
So, what's not said is what's the penalty for breaking Linda's Rule? Will Whitehorse tax payers face criminal prosecution, fines, have their BBQ or yoga mats taken?

This is a friggin town of 25,000 people, give your head a shake.
This is becoming a town where the rich and privileged get $500,000 tax breaks but the average citizen can no longer congregate in groups larger than 10 (in public space) without a permit.

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Wow on Jul 24, 2015 at 7:05 pm

Wtf is a director of community and recreational services? How many of these useless jobs are we paying for? It's the same as director of sustainabilty, what are these jobs? Why are they there and why are we (taxpayers) paying for these overpaid positions?

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This is not Kelowna-This is the Yukon on Jul 24, 2015 at 6:42 pm

This is not Kelowna. Why does the City want to regulate EVERYTHING? If they are not going to patrol this, then why do it? We are a small jurisdiction and we don't need more red tape BS. I will not use the Millennium trail, Rotary Park, Shipyards Park, etc. for my group. I heard there was going to be regulations for simply meeting at one of these locations to go for a bike rides, runs or walks….stupid. Encourage people to use these spaces, not red tape them. How many groups of 30 have you seen at any of these locations, more than 3 times a week? None? Me either. Focus on something important-dog poisonings, dogs not being made to behave in neighbourhoods, parties and noise, violence….let those of us who want to do activities on City paths with other people ALONE. Sheesh

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June Jackson on Jul 24, 2015 at 5:03 pm

"All groups would be responsible for getting any licences, permits or other paperwork they may need at their own expense."
If the City started charging these groups a fee "towards park maintenance", think my taxes won't go up?

Perhaps some groups should be charged.. Ms. Rapp talked about Yoga in the park.. if each of those people are paying a yoga instructor, and instructor is using park facilities free, the instructor has no overhead; the instructor would otherwise have to rent a meeting space for her class. Would a payment guarantee the instructor her space and time?

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Old School on Jul 24, 2015 at 4:52 pm

Give it a rest. We don't need something else in the great white Yukon needing a permit! It would be a solution, looking for a problem where there isn't one.

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Yukon Darlin on Jul 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm

Things like this just seem like a "make work" project to me.

Want to make a new bylaw? Get rid of an existing one.

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