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REPORT CHALLENGED – Northwestel questioned the methodology used in a report that found the territory had the slowest average Internet speed in the country.

Northwestel questions Internet speed survey

Northwestel Inc. is questioning the methodology behind an Internet report that ranks the territory last in the country in terms of average Internet speed.

By Pierre Chauvin on May 3, 2016

Northwestel Inc. is questioning the methodology behind an Internet report that ranks the territory last in the country in terms of average Internet speed.

Last Thursday, the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) published a report ranking cities, provinces and territories based on download and upload speeds.

The report was crowd-sourced, meaning it was up to regular users to do the test on CIRA’s website.

Whitehorse ranks 23 out of 25 Canadian cities and the territory has the slowest average Internet speed, between six and seven Mbps, way below the average download speed of 12.39 Mbps for the country.

Between May and December 2015, 395 Yukoners took the test, the majority in Whitehorse.

But the territory’s sole Internet provider is taking issues with the report.

“Unscientific crowd-sourced exercises should obviously be taken with a healthy grain of salt,” Andrew Anderson, Northwestel’s director of communication, told the Star Monday.

“We’ve read through CIRA’s report; we’re not fully understanding their methodology or whether it’s reflective of Internet users.”

The report itself states that the average speeds reported are not reflective of all users in the region.

But today, a spokesperson for CIRA told the Star the non-profit was using internationally-recognized standards.

More importantly, the test reflects what the Internet speed most users have, not what the maximum available speed in the territory is.

“The test is designed to test the real Internet performance of an individual connection,” said CIRA’s spokesperson Ryan Saxby Hill.

“It will test any sort of restraint put on that type of connection, complicated data route, and congestion.”

The low results most likely mean that users are choosing slower Internet packages.

“My opinion would be, you’re seeing more a decision on price than speed necessarily,” said Martin Lehner, director of the local company Orange Technology.

Northwestel’s fastest customer cable package offers up to 125 Mbps in download speed, for $189.95 per month.

That speed would be enough to have more than a dozen people stream high-definition movies at the same time.

In comparison, a smaller package with an eight Mbps download speed – slightly higher than the average speed measured in the CIRA report – will go for $62.95.

“The entire reason behind our test is to start those conversations,” said Saxby Hill about the issue of cost.

There are also other reasons the CIRA speed reports might not reflect what is available.

The test measures real speed, which depends on more than just Northwestel’s infrastructure.

Northwestel’s Anderson insisted the company took part in a speed study initiated by the CRTC and conducted by a third-party firm, the results of which should be published in the next months.

That CRTC study collected speeds in a different way, Saxby Hill noted, and CIRA’s report is a good addition to get a comprehensive picture.

He encouraged people to take the test, as CIRA is still refining its results.

“It is true that there are fewer test samples from some communities,” he said.

“Part of our goal in releasing the data is to motivate additional tests and we’re seeing that is working.”

To take CIRA’s internet speed test, go to performance.cira.ca/.

Comments (19)

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Ananda Weerasinghe on Aug 30, 2020 at 6:14 am

Is the Ethernet connection available in Whitehorse Yukon? I've Chinese made Router too. Can you configure it? How fast is your packages? Connections may slowdown when winter come?

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Mike De konong on Oct 3, 2017 at 8:01 pm

For those of you who commented this is a first world problem, I have lived in developing countries and the internet speeds are very good. Sometimes better than big cities in Canada. You have no idea what your talking about. Same goes for cell service. In the Philippines cell service is better, cable TV is cheap and good, and internet speed and price is way better. Stop being Yukoners and making excuses for companies that rip you off. You make it too easy by defending the indefensible. Don't comment that it is a first world problem until you have lived outside of the first world like I have.

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Rex Burchill on Sep 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

Are the regulators on northwestel payroll? This is a joke. Why can't we get what we overpay for?

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Carl Maguire on May 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

Let me tell you: tonight it's slower than the Second Coming. Might as well have dial up.

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drum on May 6, 2016 at 7:37 pm

I just wish to know if I am getting the same service, for the same price. as other parts of Canada or do we still expect less because we live in the North?

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1st world 'problems' vex spoiled internet addicts on May 5, 2016 at 11:02 am

@BnR is correct. This is a 1st world 'problem' .
People quickly get addicted to their internet connection, and then start complaining and making demands. They should be glad to have any internet connection at all; if they want faster speed then move down south.
Let's see how many entitled internet addicts give this reality check a 'thumbs down'.

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ad hominem argument on May 4, 2016 at 11:42 am

This is a classic response from Northwestel. If you don't like the results of something you question the credibility of the report without providing evidence of any kind of what the flaw may be.

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Ian Pumphrey on May 4, 2016 at 10:38 am

I live in Marsh Lake....even though tax payers paid NWtel to upgrade the services we still have substandard speeds. In addition .... I tried to cancel my land line and they decided to raise my internet by an extra 20 bucks per month if I do. They tell me it's for line maintenance....Marsh Lakers paid for the lines out here.
Can you say extortion!!!

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BnR on May 4, 2016 at 9:50 am

More 1st world problems. Here we are, connected to the Internet by what, 1000 KMs of single strand fiber optic cable, and we are making a big deal about this?

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Steven Horn on May 4, 2016 at 2:13 am

I just completed the CIRA test and got a result very similar to the result I normally get with Speedtest. But the package giving me these test results (70 Mips download and 6.5 Mips upload) costs me no more than Northwestel's $62.95 package referred to in the story.

But then I live in British Columbia and Shaw is my carrier. When I lived in Whitehorse, I found that the cost for internet usage was always high compared to the cost in other jurisdictions. Having said that, I would be really scared if I had lived in Iqaluit.

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andy odel on May 3, 2016 at 11:33 pm

There is no doubt that NWTel's service throughout the north is a joke in comparison with what the rest of the country gets. Not only the internet service but also the TV we get.
We have ridiculous limits on what we can use for the exorbitant price we pay. As for the TV service all they do is take programing out of their packages and leave us with junk channels that nobody wants to watch. They advertise that we get "x" number of channels but a lot of these are channels that offer duplicate programs, usually at the same time.
Satellite is the way to go.

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Itsallintheneck on May 3, 2016 at 9:55 pm

My experience with speed tests are you get exactly what NWTel advertises until you try to leave NWTel networks. Speed tests to any Vancouver or Seattle servers are painfully slow and i have never seen them achieve advertised speeds. Yes, even when directly connected to my modem.

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jc on May 3, 2016 at 9:54 pm

Here's a methodology - just ask me. My internet is so slow, NWT should be paying me to have it. I had two techs come to the house and both said there was a problem, but couldn't fix it nor tell me how to remedy it. Thy are trying to put the blame on Network, but Network won't investigate unless a large amount of people complain. But then, why should they do anything, they have the monopoly on internet in the Yukon.

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Bill on May 3, 2016 at 6:58 pm

Let's be honest, I'm sure nobody is happy with the services they pay for I know I am not. I live in a community 2 hours from Whitehorse that cost $62.50 for 125gb a month with download speeds of not even 1mbps.

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Yukoner on May 3, 2016 at 5:48 pm

For the last month or so with the 189 dollar Internet package that I have we can't even stream 1 tv show because the download speed is so slow.

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Jonathan Colby on May 3, 2016 at 3:25 pm

Hm. I've done this test now fairly often, and I mever get higher than 8.9, even though I pay for 16. I will do some more testing throughout the day, maybe. Maybe it's just a busy time.

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June Jackson on May 3, 2016 at 2:22 pm

What I get for my money from Northwestel is pathetic. I can check my speed. It jumps all over the place.

But, we're stuck with it aren't we?

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Jack Malone on May 3, 2016 at 2:14 pm

I wonder if NorthwesTel will now threaten CIRA with litigation for defaming NorthwesTel's [poor] internet service in Whitehorse. Maybe they will try to track me down and threaten me with litigation as well for raising the issue? What a bunch of jokers! Rather than running around threatening to sue people or arguing about methodology, perhaps NorthwesTel can focus on improving its product. We pay enough for it.

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slow download on May 3, 2016 at 2:10 pm

I don't need any study to tell me we are overcharged and underserviced in Yukon. Anytime I am outside of Yukon it feels like my devices are on hyper drive!!!! Fast downloads, quicker exchanges, games in real time. Then I come back to Yukon and back to internet on molasses.

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