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Cameron Brown and Calum McClure

LNG attracting lengthy and favourable looks

Interest in natural gas as a fuel source is growing in the North. It’s cheaper, it’s cleaner.

By Chuck Tobin on December 2, 2016

Interest in natural gas as a fuel source is growing in the North. It’s cheaper, it’s cleaner.

It’s more efficient to transport in liquid form than diesel fuel.

And there’s lots and lots of it.

So was the message presented last week during the Yukon Geoscience Forum in Whitehorse.

Don Dean of PROLOG Canada told the audience the major oil companies are just not interested in the market for diesel fuel in northern Canada because of the expense involved.

The last refinery was built in Alberta 35 years ago, he pointed out.

Dean said natural gas can supply the same fuel requirements currently provided by diesel for almost half the cost and fewer greenhouse gas emissions.

And western Canada is awash with natural gas resources, said Dean. He was one of four panelists during the discussion on establishing a supply chain for liquefied natural gas (LNG).

“Five years ago, we could not even spell LNG,” said Yukon Energy vice-president Michael Brandt. “Now, we speak gigajoule.”

Brandt said the decision by the publicly owned utility to go with natural gas to replace old diesel generators at the Whitehorse Rapids Dam was a “big, bold move.”

The challenge facing the North is establishing a supply chain, an LNG corridor running up the Alaska Highway, he said.

Brandt told the audience last month’s approval by B.C. of a design for a bigger, better transport truck to haul LNG was a major step.

The King B will move substantially more LNG than today’s transport trucks, he said.

Cameron Brown of the Casino Mining Corp. said the company is proposing to use natural gas to power what would be the largest mine in the Yukon’s history.

Its energy needs would be greater than the whole Yukon, said the company’s vice-president of engineering.

Brown said renewable energy options such as wind are not sustainable to meet Casino’s needs.

The decision to go with natural gas over diesel will save enormous amounts of money and result in much fewer greenhouse gas emissions, he told the audience.

“The key to all this is we must have a robust and reliable supply chain.”

Casino, said Brown, will need 12 truck loads of LNG a day. It will have its own fleet of 36 transport trucks, trucks powered by the cleaner natural gas.

So substantial would the mine’s energy needs be that Casino has entered into an arrangement with Ferus to build an LNG supply facility in Fort Nelson, B.C. if the Casino mine goes ahead, Brown told the audience.

He said deciding to go with natural gas over diesel will result in a 28 per cent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions at the mine site, and a 50 per cent reduction through the whole supply chain.

“We are confident in our discussions with Ferus that a robust and reliable supply chain can take place,” Brown said.

Calum McClure’s company, Cryopeak, is built around the LNG market, which he says is growing, and growing.

In the last 10 years, production from the huge natural gas resources in Canada and the U.S. has grown substantially, he pointed out.

Calum said using natural gas as a primary source of energy just makes sense because it is far cheaper and much cleaner burning.

There are 300 years of known gas reserves, he said.

Calum pointed out the company has helped install systems in remote northern communities, and was involved with the LNG generating plant in Inuvik.

B.C.’s fleet of ferries is moving toward natural gas as a fuel source, he told the audience.

Calum said Cryopeak was retained by JDS Silver to install an energy plant at its new Silvertip mine west of Watson Lake, just south of the Yukon border, though access is through the Yukon beginning near Rancheria.

The six megawatts of generation is provided by natural gas. The mine has one backup diesel generator.

Calum pointed out the JDS Silvertip mine made the decision early this year to go with natural gas when the price of oil was selling for a low of $40 a barrel.

“They have full reliance on natural gas,” he said.

Calum said there is the potential in B.C. for the LNG market to take off, to such a degree that the domestic market could provide producers with an alternative to the Asian market.

Comments (19)

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a name to stand behind on Dec 9, 2016 at 3:09 am

So called 'real' names are irrelevant on internet forums, unless you're a narcissist like a celebrity or politician. It only matters to someone who perceives their popularity is important. Logging on with your 'real' name is an ego trip, meant to impress those who think they know who you are. If I log on as John Smith, Bob White, or Mary Elves does that make the facts presented and the logic of the argument any more credible? That's what determines the validity of any presentation, not who you claim to be. If someone wants to log on with their 'real' name to present erroneous statements and use faulty logic, then they're only calling attention to how foolish they are. Like assuming that anyone who disagrees with them has to be a troll for the Oil industry. Go ahead, bring it on, we can all use a good laugh.

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north_of_60 on Dec 8, 2016 at 5:45 pm

@JC commented "Yukon Energy released a blog post on the 17th of November stating that 22% of their LNG so far burned has been used simply as boil off gas." and,
@SW commented "This plant is so poorly designed for need that YEC claimed that 22% of the LNG is used to heat the diesels to prevent flaring"

The LNG facility has been operating for two summers and one mild winter and hasn't been required very much until now for electricity generation. To quote from the Nov. 17 blog:

"Since the LNG plant began operating in June 2015, 78 percent of the LNG has been used for generation and the rest (22 percent) has been boil off gas, used for periodic run-ups of our natural gas engines and to heat our diesel plant. This works out to a daily rate of 0.147 percent of the entire volume of LNG received, which is slightly better than the 0.15 percent expected as per the plant design."

@JC comes close to the truth, but edits the facts to support their agenda. @SW's distorted misunderstanding of the facts to suit their agenda is not only risible, but obviously disingenuous, and they still can't provide any proof for their distorted opinion.

Both would appear more credible if they discussed facts instead of their personal opinions of someone they disagree with. Shooting at messengers always looks foolish.

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Sally Wright on Dec 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm

Until North of Sixty gets a name to stand behind, I assume it is a troll for the Oil industry. Thank you Jonathon Colby. And yes, I got all my facts from the YEC website.

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Jonathan Colby on Dec 7, 2016 at 1:01 pm

Also, the cookie resetting on this thread is hilarious.
I need constant reassurance my perspective is popular and correct! Wanh!
I thought us lefties were supposed to be the immature crybabies... I guess that's less of a partisan trait, and more of a flawed human one, eh?

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Jonathan Colby on Dec 7, 2016 at 11:07 am

Northof60, what's the deal with you? Mercy!
Yukon Energy released a blog post on the 17th of November stating that 22% of their LNG so far burned has been used simply as boil off gas. That is a fact, and you could find it if you knew how to use Google, or actually cared about the research you're demanding others research.

The heat generated is used in the winter, but that comment about heating in the summer is pure fiction. The boiler heats the river water if a load is required. That's right. They divert river water into the plant so they can heat it up a couple degrees and then send it back to the river. It's actually a little embarrassing.

The fact that the LNG generators are not as versatile as the diesels is a mark against them. The diesels could do anything we needed them to, the LNG is limited. That criticism isn't a fabrication, it's a reality that should be answered for by the arses who bulled through on the decision to install LNG.

If you were actually interested in the facts, and not just a point of view, you could learn all of these things relatively easily.

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Iceface on Dec 6, 2016 at 9:32 pm

Hey Brandt, if five years ago you couldn't spell LNG, then maybe someone has to teach you to spell "Renewable Energy".

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BnR on Dec 6, 2016 at 2:55 pm

Personal insults North_of? Skin getting a tad thin?
Come on, don't sulk. You link one-sided presentations from dubious sources that agree with your own point of view, and expect to not be questioned? If I was a full on greenie and just linked Green Peace presentations, that's just dandy?
And really, quoting Pat Buchanan? I'm sure you can come up with better.

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north_of_60 on Dec 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm

According to published data from engineers, typical 'boil-off rates' for LNG storage tanks are about 0.22%. That's right, zero point two two percent, not the 22% claimed by some local politician with an agenda. We're used to politicians exaggerating for effect, however a 100x exaggeration is ludicrous, and removes any shred of credibility from this leftist politician's statements.

The boil off gas is used to heat the YEC facility, displacing diesel fuel which was used before. Because much of the facility is underground, heating is required year-round.

Contrary to this politician's misinformation, the LNG fueled generators CAN be started in emergency situations, however for short term emergencies like power interruptions, the diesel fueled generators can be brought on-line quicker. The LNG fueled generators are more efficient and cost effective for longer power outages and to supply increased demand for electricity when it's cold and hydro power isn't enough.

Long-term Yukoners also know that when it's cold enough to need fossil fuel power, neither solar or wind are available. Off-grid aficionados like this politician might be OK with using candles and oil lamps when their renewable energy systems don't produce enough, however most of us want electricity available 24/7.

Be wary of agenda driven politicians flogging misinformation; that's just what they do to get attention.

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north_of_60 on Dec 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm

@SW opines "This plant is so poorly designed for need that YEC claimed that 22% of the LNG is used to heat the diesels to prevent flaring and the LNG generators can't be started in emergency situations. "

Provide proof to back up your fabricated opinion.

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Sally Wright on Dec 6, 2016 at 9:50 am

This quote gets me :
“Five years ago, we could not even spell LNG,” said Yukon Energy vice-president Michael Brandt. “Now, we speak gigajoule.”

Yes, you are correct Mr. Brandt, 5 years ago in 2011 YEC started it's last Energy Charade and Yukoners said we wanted Wind, Solar and Demand Side Management to enhance our existing hydro grid. Instead YEC's backroom deals have stuck us with a $45 million LNG plant. This plant is so poorly designed for need that YEC claimed that 22% of the LNG is used to heat the diesels to prevent flaring and the LNG generators can't be started in emergency situations.

The problems that have emerged with YEC's LNG were pointed out during both the YESAB review and the YUB hearing into the project in 2014. It is not cheaper when you consider the waste, nor is it less GHG. Many Yukon people spoke against this project, but were ignored.

Mr. Brandt goes onto to claim that YEC's LNG decision as a “big, bold move.” I consider it more of a big step backward for our Crown utility.

If a mine wants to take the LNG risk, that is their problem, they will have to pay the carbon price and there must be no more subsidies for fossil fuels in this Territory.

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wundering on Dec 5, 2016 at 4:30 pm

"Brandt told the audience last month’s approval by B.C. of a design for a bigger, better transport truck to haul LNG was a major step."
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Casino, said Brown, will need 12 truck loads of LNG a day. It will have its own fleet of 36 transport trucks, trucks powered by the cleaner natural gas.
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I guess these guys already know the "Yukon government", will approve these trucks on Yukon highways.
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Maybe better to build a pipeline??????

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north_of_60 on Dec 5, 2016 at 12:49 pm

"Personal insults are the last resort of exhausted minds." ~Pat Buchanan.
It's a tacit admission of a lost argument.

Have a nice day.

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LJ on Dec 4, 2016 at 10:00 pm

North of 60, you should educate yourself before making assumptions. Where have you been for the past decade? It's not about disagreeing with the resource use, it's about the method of extracting LNG. As for your comment about government borrowing money from future generations to fund welfare, no, the government will need to borrow funds to clean and maintain contaminated sites far into the future. It's about the method of extraction, get it straight! Times are changing, I suggest you get with the present.

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BnR on Dec 4, 2016 at 5:05 pm

Really north_of? Matt Ridley? Well, I guess if conforms to your own beliefs, of course you would find it "refreshing", cause he's an "expert" on the subject, right? LOL!

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ProScience Greenie on Dec 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm

Why do people complain about mining related traffic on our roads but never about the thousands and thousands of huge RVs and tour buses?

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north_of_60 on Dec 3, 2016 at 3:10 pm

@JC.... Aboriginals and Enviro-mentals don't care. They know the government will continue to borrow money from future generations to support their welfare society. Meanwhile they consume huge quantities of products that wouldn't exist without fossil fuels. They appear to believe it all comes from solar, wind and unicorn farts.

Watch Matt Ridley's excellent presentation to the 2016 Annual GWPF Lecture at the Royal Society, London 17 October, and enjoy a refreshing view of climate reality.

Global Warming Versus Global Greening
https://youtu.be/j5M1qtN62yk
One of the best talks on the current status of the subject.

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JC on Dec 2, 2016 at 5:47 pm

Yes, but it comes out of the ground, so the FN and Environmentalist will fight to keep it there. For some, reason, they don't know that diesel comes out of the ground to, maybe because it comes from the middle east.

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Casino impacts on Dec 2, 2016 at 4:19 pm

Another 24 trucks a day on the highway just to bring the gas up, and go back empty.

How many huge trucks are going to be using the highway if the Casino mine is approved? What would be the estimate on busted windshields, road repairs and wear and tear, and accidents resulting in injury, death, or just property damage as a result of this massive increase in truck traffic?

I found an article that says the Casino mine intends to ship 120,000 tonnes of ore per day for 22 years. How many trucks a day is that?!
I would like to see those impacts addressed in any review of the Casino mine.

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Jonathan Colby on Dec 2, 2016 at 4:11 pm

LNG is more efficient to transport than diesel? What? If LNG has approx 60 % energy per unit volume, how is it more efficient.. especially considering that the technology required to transport and transfer LNG is technical, specialized, and expensive, whereas the technology to transport and transfer diesel is relatively rudimentary.

Are they talking cheaper? Because that's not the same as efficiency. Bloody capitalists.

LNG marketing is a ridiculous scam in order to sell a commodity that investors have in plenty. Don't buy into it! While it might be nice to see diesel free urban areas by sustaining and investing in a dual fuel transport economy, it isn't really in the cards, especially if we are serious about reducing the impact humanity is having on the globe. Otherwise, LNG is just a too common commodity snapped up by would-be energy barons, and all it needs is a buyer. Just because it looks good, it doesn't mean that it fits all purposes.

You know what would have been nice? New diesel generators. Even nicer? Biomass. Instead we're saddled with this LNG compromise, and the peddling sharks are circling now that there's blood in the water. Gross.

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