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MLA Brad Cathers and Garry Umbrich

Hot springs owner raps petition, ‘secret’ meetings

Residents of the Takhini Hot Springs Road are still steamed over proposed developments in the area.

By Aimee O'Connor on November 20, 2015

Residents of the Takhini Hot Springs Road are still steamed over proposed developments in the area.

A petition signed by 11 residents of the neighbourhood was tabled in legislature Thursday.

The land owner’s plans to build condominiums at the Takhini Hot Springs have been a topic of back-and-forth discussions for about 15 years.

“Part of what prompted the current concern is that there was an application earlier this year to re-zone the lots,” Lake Laberge MLA Brad Cathers told the Star in an interview this morning.

A letter was sent out to residents last March, informing them that Takhini Hot Springs Ltd. had applied to have the development regulations changed on several parcels of land.

Around 2002, the Hot Springs Road Local Area Plan was formally approved by the Yukon government after residents of the area and the government discussed how a plan would help manage land use and resources in the neighbourhood.

In 2004, there were approved amendments to the development regulations.

“The heart of the problem and the issue is that the 2004 regulations ... should have been worded more specifically to accurately reflect (the) discussions,” said Cathers.

The 2004 regulations set out how parcels of land within the Hot Springs Road Development Area would be zoned.

For the lots zoned as Commercial Mixed-Use/Tourist Accommodation (CMT), a “maximum of two residences per lot are permitted.”

Area residents are opposed to any residential development higher than that, Cathers said.

Where the line gets blurred is in a “special provision” for the CMT lots that states that land owners “may be able” to transfer their residential development potential to a different lot – a point which Cathers called the “origin” of the problem.

This provision allows Takhini Hot Springs Ltd. to take lots meant to be undeveloped and have them designated for development.

Currently, the company has a total of 10 lots – with the regulation, the company would have the capacity of building twenty residences, two on each lot.

The question, for now, is what the company’s build plans are.

“My constituents don’t know what the plans are... They view this as expanding beyond the original plan,” Cathers said.

If the land gets developed the way the proprietor would like, the residents fear a change in residential density, quality of life and potentially increased traffic.

“There’s a lack of confidence on the part of the residents and a fear of the unknown,” Cathers said.

NDP MLA Jim Tredger, who tabled the petition in legislature, said the residents are seeking a sit-down with the government.

“They’re concerned that the policies outlined by the government haven’t followed the area plan,” Tredger said this morning.

“While they’ve asked the government to establish or call people together in an open forum, it hasn’t happened.”

Cathers indicated that Energy, Mines and Resources Minister Scott Kent is open to the idea of having a meeting between himself, Cathers and residents of the Hot Springs Road area to discuss their concerns and identify possible solutions.

“When things happen in your neighbourhood, if it’s done in a way that doesn’t involve you, or you don’t have a say, it’s concerning,” said Tredger.

But the proprietor of the land, Takhini Hot Springs Ltd., doesn’t see it that way.

“It should not be up to area residents to decide where we build our homes. That is the prerogative of the property owner,” Garry Umbrich, president of Takhini Hot Springs Ltd. said in a statement this morning.

Umbrich disagrees with the method the residents took in pursuit of action.

“We believe in open, honest and constructive dialogue,” Umbrich said.

“We cannot address area resident concerns if their approach is to have secretitve meetings and then sign petitions and present them to the legislature.”

A meeting date between government officials and concerned residents has not been set yet.

“It is not reasonable to request power over where your neighbour builds his or her house. If they have concerns, the appropriate thing is to come and talk to us. Our door is always open,” Umbrich said.

He pointed to the instance of the cell tower that Bell Mobility operates on the hot springs lands to provide cell services to area residents.

“Our neighbour had concerns about a cell tower next door to her residence, and so when she brought those concerns forward, we worked with the cell tower engineers, and found a different spot on the property, over 300 metres away from her property.

“That is an example of constructive dialogue with our neighbours, and that is what I hope we can someday achieve with all our neighbours.”

There are about 400 people residing in the Takhini Hot Springs Road area.

Though only 11 residents signed the petition, Cathers said a previous petition garnered about 100 signatures.

Umbrich was not available for an interview, as he is currently out of the country until mid-December.

Comments (14)

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BnR on Nov 26, 2015 at 6:49 am

Resident, Mr Umbrich paid for his land too, a fact seemingly lost on many.

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Stu Whatman on Nov 24, 2015 at 4:00 pm

I agree with Mary Laker and others who feel private property owners should be able to develop their property.

The hot springs has been a commercial venture for many years and it can be busy summer or winter. A few condos are not a big deal and there should be no interference from people who have lived near this business.

I would also like to see a greenhouse there with vegetables for sale and flower plants produced locally. It has a lot of potential and I have confidence the people who own it will do the right thing with it.

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Resident on Nov 24, 2015 at 3:58 pm

I live on the hotsprings road, I am not a squatter, I paid for my land, it's not an AG lease and no one came to my house to sign a Petition and sorry this owner of this land has more than this planned for the land. This is BS!! NDP put forth a 11 signature petition what the hell!!

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mary laker on Nov 23, 2015 at 3:22 pm

My friend and I contemplated going to Mexico, Hawaii, or even just down to Liard Hotsprings to get some heat and relaxation.

If the Takhini Hotsprings were ever developed to its potential as a beautiful, natural hotsprings destination I can tell you that I would book myself in rather than be looking for alternatives out of the territory.

I believe there are a few very jealous people on the hotsprings road and just want to voice my support for development of that property. Ten condos does not sound like a big deal at all, especially when they are holding other lots vacant in order to maintain the (ridiculously) low density of the area for the sake of the neighbours.

The hot springs has been a commercial venture at the end of the road for decades. Deal with it. It has been held up from becoming what it could be.

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NIMBY Squatters and Agricultural Leases... on Nov 22, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Holy NIMBY from a bunch of folks who were either squatters who got their land on hot springs road for next to nothing back in the day. Reality check folks, destinations like a hot spring should be developed to allow more than a few "lucky squatters" and "agriculture lease holders turned fee simple". Let existing policy that all Yukon's are bound by determine the options, not the cry's of the NIMBY's. Brad, other elected officials, watch the line between representing your riding versus interfering with real development.

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Yukoner on Nov 22, 2015 at 4:50 pm

Wilf, what do you mean "NDP against development"? Brad Cathers is Yukon Party, and Gary Umbrich ran as an NDP candidate. Get it together man.
And how did the hotsprings "fall into private hands"? It's always been in private hands. Is that your solution? Have it gov run?

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BnR on Nov 22, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Make no mistake, there is Yukon party politics at play here. Gary ran for the NDP back in the day, and the hot springs road has a plethora of YP core members and cronies. Zoning changes get pushed though all the time, and it seems the more connected you are, the easier it is. Go look at all the land out towards the Takhini river bridge on the Alcan. A lot the new parcels that have become titled have never had a lick of "agriculture" on them, yet public land is essentially given away to "land developers". And here is the land owner, trying to get some business initiatives going, yet stonewalled. I'd love to see how on the petition.

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How did the Takhini Hotsprings fall into private hands anyways? on Nov 21, 2015 at 4:26 pm

I will add a few comments, as a lifelong Yukoner who spent much of my youth years at the Hotsprings.
1) Your rule of keeping families out of the pool after dark, which your employees enforce at 7:00 is stupid. I've had way more problems out there with people drinking, swearing in the pool then I've ever had with kids. Stop catering to a few older adults who want 'peace and quiet.' Our family spends almost $50 or more to go to your pool.
2) You should work with your neighbours to get along. You don't offer a Yukoner a yearly pass or discount. Erwin Kreft was an AMAZING owner and I loved going out there when his kind and welcoming face was there to greet me.
3) Why is this privately owned anyways? Like the game farm, I'd love to see the government own this valuable Yukon resource. As it is owned privately, it is going to be ruined by developing the s#it out of the area for condos. Look at Liard Hotsprings and its draw…we could have that too if it wasn't privately held. YTG should buy it.

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A Carpenter on Nov 21, 2015 at 3:48 pm

In this downturned economy and with unemployment at a recent highs in the Yukon, we need a major project like this to go forward for the benefit of the local economy. When will the fat-heads realize no one likes them or their continued arrogance and fake 'slighted' attitudes? You got land in a prime area for dirt cheap and were allowed to subdivide and make ridiculous amounts of money yet now you want to tell Umbrich what he can or cannot do on his own land? This is ridiculously asinine and these people need to keep quiet! The hot springs is a great place to encourage developement and area residents need to pipe down.

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Where the Minister on this on Nov 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm

What is the Minister's position on this or does he even know how to have one?

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NDP against development. on Nov 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm

This is private property and why should any one have the say over private development. This will create jobs, taxes, new business opportunities.
Why not a nice lodge with housing to enjoy the area. Lodge would have food and a place to relax.

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Hot topic on Nov 21, 2015 at 10:47 am

Out of the country.......but able to influence Yukon politics.....and there is so much politics.....why can a few decide for so many.....

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BnR on Nov 21, 2015 at 7:23 am

This is so much BS. Residents of this area were allowed to subdivide their Ag parcels (which required zoning changes) and reap a substantial windfall from selling these lots, and increasing density, yet now they are up in arms over this? Really? C'mon Brad, support Mr. Umbrich. This will create homes and jobs for carpenters and other trades, that's the priority, no?

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Murray on Nov 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm

Buying property on a road that has a hot springs resort at the end should be like buying near an airport - there should be a reasonable expectation that it will grow. I would think they'd consider themselves lucky that only 20 homes are planned instead of a hotel, or even a larger campground.

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