Whitehorse Daily Star

Gun owner’s problems began at roadside check, court hears

A gun owner was convicted of two offences Wednesday despite the fact his Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms were breached.

By Pierre Chauvin on October 2, 2015

A gun owner was convicted of two offences Wednesday despite the fact his Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms were breached.

Abram Driedger, of Grande Prairie, Alta., was found guilty of possession of a weapon at an unauthorized place and the careless use of a firearm.

On Sept. 12, 2014, Driedger, 36, was stopped at a roadside checkpoint set up by Yukon RCMP, just north of Teslin.

Conservation officer Jeffrey Piwek, based in Atlin, B.C., but also sworn as a Yukon conservation officer, was working with the RCMP that day.

He asked Driedger if he had any firearms.

Driedger told him he had firearms in a trailer he was towing, Piwek testified Wednesday in territorial court.

The conservation officer saw what he thought was a firearm case in the back seat, he told the court.

He asked Driedger to unlock his door, retrieved the case and opened it, finding a pistol.

The officer testified Driedger told him he had a licence for the pistol, but only for Alberta.

RCMP Const. Shean Kidd then took over and placed Driedger under arrest.

Kidd testified the police were looking for impaired drivers and were asking for licences and registration at the road check that day.

At around 10:10 a.m., Kidd’s radar detector was triggered.

After checking the first car, he moved to Driedger’s car. The man gave him the radar detector, Kidd testified.

Driedger was later fined for having the detector.

It’s around that time that Piwek retrieved the pistol, and the two started discussing firearms regulations to determine whether there was a violation.

Driedger’s lawyer, Andre Roothman, successfully argued Piwek’s search was a breach of his client’s Charter right against unlawful search and seizure.

Justice Dennis Schmidt noted that the Yukon Wildlife Act authorizes conservation officers to ask drivers to produce wildlife, a firearm, a licence a permit or “other things requested by the officer relating to this act.”

But Piwek chose to bypass that and decided to search the car, the judge said. He ruled that a violation of Driedger’s Charter right.

However, Driedger did consent to the search by unlocking the door when he didn’t have to, the judge noted.

This mitigates the seriousness of the breach “considerably,” the judge said.

He ruled the evidence, the officers’ testimony, should not be excluded.

Crown prosecutor Christiana Lavidas had told the court that the testimony subject to the Charter application was the only evidence the prosecution had.

Roothman didn’t challenge the facts of the case.

However, he argued the Crown had failed to meet the burden of proof in proving that Driedger’s weapon was not properly stored, and that he didn’t have the proper authorization to transport it in the Yukon.

There was a “number of problems” with the storage of the weapon, Schmidt told Roothman before convicting Driedger on both counts.

Piwek was able to manipulate the weapon without having to unlock the case, and the weapon could be seen from the outside, the judge said.

Driedger was fined $200 for each count, plus $120 in a victim fine surcharge.

The judge, however, refused to make a forfeiture order the Crown had sought.

Schmidt said such a forfeiture only happens when a crime such as a robbery involves a weapon.

Comments (16)

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Abe on Mar 2, 2019 at 8:07 pm

The fact that judge Schmidt determined it was ok to criminally convict even after he agreed the charter was breached bothered me, however to have Constable Kidd and officer Piwek testify to Piwek being the one to initiate the search and Kidd coming along to help out is much more disturbing. I can only assume they thought their chances of obtaining a conviction were better as apparently a conservation officer has more power in the process of searching property.

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June Jackson on Oct 7, 2015 at 1:02 pm

To: BnR.. thanks for the reply.. it is always good to talk things out and put everything on the table.. wish our governments could do this.

My point isn't really about if the guy had crack or guns or anything.. my point was, the Constitution gives everyone certain rights.. the judge confirmed that the conservation officer (not a peace officer) breached those rights. BUT, then, court said it was ok. That is what I am trying to say, though apparently I am not expressing myself that well.. It is NOT ok. Our freedom's are entrenched in the Constitution. If someone can take away 1 right, what's to stop them from taking another one? Or another one? If the court recognizes a breach but its ok..who will protect all of us against other breaches?

I see your point, indeed my best friend shares your point of view... and perhaps you are right..perhaps we need to give up some of our freedoms and liberties in order to protect us all. It is the age of terrorism and extremism perhaps our Constitution and civil liberties needs an overhaul to reflect the change in society. But personally..i would fight to the bitter end with the only weapon I have.. my computer... before I would give the governments in Canada any more control over my life than they already have.

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noel on Oct 7, 2015 at 11:11 am

So he didn't have an authorization to transport. He has already been vetted to have the firearm, yet to use it is restricted to maybe 3 places in the Yukon"gun clubs". Is he an itinerant worker, having to change residences often, going through 3 different CFO jurisdictions........ Scary that this stands, it gives leave to appeal. However it would cost him 30+thousand to overturn, whereupon the crown would appeal all the way to SCOC and drop the case last minute to avoid a damaging precedent. It is called "punishment by process"

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June Jackson on Oct 6, 2015 at 8:56 pm

I am so sorry, and a little sad too, that so few people understand the seriousness of one person being able to take away another person's chartered right and have that upheld in court. What happens to our freedoms? If it can be done to one..it can be done to any.

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BnR on Oct 6, 2015 at 6:08 pm

From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; "8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure".
A peace officer noticing a firearms case in a back seat should not be unreasonable. June, would you also consider it against someone's charter rights if a police officer noticed a bag of crack Cocaine in the back seat and seized it and arrested the person?

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Max Mack on Oct 6, 2015 at 4:45 pm

The courts are working hard to remove your rights and protections. Perversely, this move by the courts will backfire as more and more citizens learn that they do not have to answer certain questions when they are stopped.

Police and other "peace officers" will then be forced to illegally detain and search citizens, which the courts will also defend (apparently). At some point, the system will break down when citizens learn they have no protection . . . then what?

This case should go to appeal.

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BnR on Oct 6, 2015 at 12:39 pm

A poor analogy June. I wouldn't have grass in my vehicle, as it's illegal (and I don't use). The guy broke the law. If he hadn't broken laws, nothing would have come of it. Using unlawful search and seizure is a BS way of trying to get out of facing penalties.
Josie, he wasn't an "ordinary law abiding citizen". He had an unlicensed, restricted weapon in his vehicle, and he lied to the CO about it. Would have gone differently if he hadn't tried to lie. These aren't technicalities as you put it. He broke laws. It's a pretty distinct line; you have broken the law or not. No quibbling about it.

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June Jackson on Oct 6, 2015 at 11:01 am

To: BnR: Say you are driving along, within the speed limit. Use your signals, make a turn, in other words.. doing everything right. An officer, could be RCMP, could be Fire Rescue, could be Fish and Game... pulls you over, searches your car and finds a small amount of grass. He charges you for possession. You have picked up a police record and you haven't even been to court. But, you are confident that nothing will come of it because the officer didn't read you your rights, didn't have reasonable expectations to search you. You go to court, you are found guilty.... even though your constitutional rights have been breached, thats ok because you had pot.

Do you see that once it's ok to take your rights away from you, its ok to take them away from everyone? Canadians have an expectation of freedoms upheld by the Constitution. Did the court overrule the Constitution by affirming that it was ok to breach the mans rights? You are saying its ok too.

I often get ticked that someone got off on a breach of civil liberty.. but because it could be me next..in order to protect my freedoms, i must, of necessity, protect yours.

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Josey Wales on Oct 6, 2015 at 10:56 am

I was wrong earlier, the cons are responsible for everything wrong in this country. Let's lock everybody up, build more jails, stimulate the economy that way. We need more prisoners, more guards, more jails. The cons can do this. The cons.

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Josie Whales on Oct 5, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Except he wasn't a drug dealer. He was an ordinarily law abiding citizen who got nailed on a few technicalities. Who here doesn't break a rule or two from time to time?
The wanton breach by the RCMP of Charter rights protecting against unlawful search and seizure is of graver concern here.

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Mark S on Oct 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

I do not like the breach of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms were breached.

However when a persons lies, has lied about where his guns are and has a radar detector, it elevates suspicion and in my mind then gives the officers probable cause to search.
Then they find an illegal gun. Lets not feel sorry for this guy, lets have him move along.

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BnR on Oct 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm

I wonder if you folks ranting on about the constitutional rights of this fellow would be arguing as heartily if it was a drug dealer getting off because of unlawful search and seizure?
This Albertan:
Lied to the CO
Had an illegal firearm
Had an illegal radar detector
We have laws for reasons. This guy broke some. As I said, you all would be howling over "a technicality" if it was a drug dealer who got off on illegal search and seizure.

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Salar on Oct 3, 2015 at 10:24 am

Man, these officers are a blessing. Here I am driving around with a full coffee mug, that I don't have a permit for, while they have the appropriate donut.

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Josey Wales on Oct 3, 2015 at 10:02 am

I do not condone irresponsible firearms use...at all.
That said, his problems began before his birth in regards to firearms.

Yes indeed...LIBERALS are THE source of his gun troubles.
1968-1969
The categories of 'firearm,' 'restricted weapon' and 'prohibited weapon' were created for the first time. This ended confusion over specific types of weapons and allowed the creation of specific legislative controls for each of the new categories. The new definitions included powers to designate weapons to be prohibited or restricted by Order- in-Council. The minimum age to get a minor's permit to possess firearms was increased to 16. For the first time, police had preventive powers to search for firearms and seize them if they had a warrant from a judge, and if they had reasonable grounds to believe that possession endangered the safety of the owner or any other person, even though no offence had been committed. The current registration system, requiring a separate registration certificate for each restricted weapon, took effect in 1969.

1976
Bill C-83 was introduced. Its proposals included: new offences and stricter penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms; and the prohibition of fully automatic firearms. It also proposed a licensing system requiring anyone aged 18 or older to get a licence to acquire or possess firearms or ammunition. (Those under 18 were eligible only for minors' permits). The licensing provisions were based on the concept that people should have to show fitness and responsibility before being allowed to use firearms. To this end, Bill-83 would have required licence applicants to include statements from two persons who were willing to guarantee the applicant's fitness. The Bill died on the Order Paper in July 1976.

1977
Bill C-51 passed in the House of Commons. It then received Senate approval and Royal Assent on August 5. The two biggest changes included requirements for Firearms Acquisition Certificates (FACs) and requirements for Firearms and Ammunition Business Permits. And, for the first time, Chief Firearms Officer positions were introduced in the provinces. Other changes included provisions dealing with new offences, search and seizure powers, increased penalties, and new definitions for prohibited and restricted weapons. Fully automatic weapons became classified as prohibited firearms unless they had been registered as restricted weapons before January 1, 1978. Individuals could no longer carry a restricted weapon to protect property. Mandatory minimum sentences were re-introduced. This time, they were in the form of a 1-14 year consecutive sentence for the actual use (not mere possession) of a firearm to commit an indictable offence.

1978
All of the provisions contained in Bill C-51 came into force, except for the requirements for FACs and for Firearms and Ammunition Business Permits.

There has been a war against firearms users, those who built this country, and folks clearly holding dissenting opinions...ever since P.E.T. got his hands on our constitution.
Makes me sick actually watching this decay of this country via Liberal ideology.
Wish more decay? Then vote for his fortunate son..Justine, he'll finish what daddy started.
My source for this info...the RCMP themselves, from their site.

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June Jackson on Oct 2, 2015 at 5:42 pm

The Constitution was gutted with this one short statment:

"But Piwek chose to bypass that and decided to search the car, the judge said. He ruled that a violation of Driedger’s Charter right." But, it was ok...

A gun owner was convicted of two offences Wednesday despite the fact his Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms were breached.
Essentially.. NONE of us are safe or have any rights when a court can decide someone else can take them away.

Everyone should be concerned about this judgement. A right..especially a CHARTERED right, should be inviolate.

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Thomas Brewer on Oct 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Great to see the RCMP and courts going after 'criminals' like this instead of doing the hard work and finding individuals responsible for violent and property crimes in Whitehorse.

clap clap

At least the judge didn't let the crown seize the firearm. Overzealous prosecution?

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