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SETTING OUT THE FACTS – Kirsten Burrows, a senior analyst at the Yukon government Climate Change Secretariat, discusses the climate pricing data at Thursday’s media briefing.

Caveats accompany carbon pricing analysis

The federal and Yukon governments have released the results of an analysis designed to estimate the potential impacts of carbon pricing on the Yukon’s economy, industry, households and greenhouse gas emissions.

By Taylor Blewett on April 6, 2018

The federal and Yukon governments have released the results of an analysis designed to estimate the potential impacts of carbon pricing on the Yukon’s economy, industry, households and greenhouse gas emissions.

But the information comes with a number of caveats, including outdated numbers and questions of data accuracy.

The analysis, led and completed by Environment and Climate Change Canada and the federal Department of Finance with input from the Yukon government, estimates that in 2019 – the year the federal carbon pricing backstop will come into effect in the Yukon – carbon pricing will reduce the GDP by about 0.08 per cent, increasing to a 0.19 per cent reduction in 2022.

However, the Yukon government completed its own analysis to assess the economic impacts of carbon pricing in the territory.

“This analysis indicated that the estimated impact on Yukon GDP is flat – any potential negative impact from the implementation of a carbon price is offset by the introduction of a rebate,” reads the companion document YG provided at a Thursday afternoon briefing on the federal impact analysis.

The federal analysis also noted that “the impacts of carbon pricing will also depend heavily on the way in which carbon pricing revenue is used.”

The Yukon government has committed to returning carbon pricing revenues to Yukoners and Yukon business in the form of a rebate, the design of which has not yet been announced.

A sector-specific impact breakdown is also outlined in the federal analysis.

In 2022, the transportation sector is predicted to see an estimated impact of 8.5 per cent or $12.3 million, from baseline GDP.

The air transport sector is estimated to see a 3.9 per cent or $4.9 million impact in 2022, while the wood and wood products sector is estimated to see an 8.5 per cent or $1.2-million impact in 2022.

The analysis estimates the impact on all other sectors, including mining, will be minimal.

“Efforts are currently being made to ensure that Yukon’s industries are not at a disadvantage when compared to industries in southern jurisdictions,” the Yukon government analysis states.

These efforts include participation in a national working group to address competitiveness risks of “emissions-intensive trade-exposed sectors, including mining.”

The federal analysis puts the average carbon pricing impact per household in the territory at about $260 in 2018.

But that’s calculated based on a $10 per tonne carbon price in the territory for the year.

The federal government has altered its plans, with the introduction of the federal carbon pricing backstop in the Yukon now set for Jan. 1, 2019 at $20 per tonne. That’s slated to rise by $10 per tonne per year to $50 per tonne in 2022.

“It’s reasonable to assume that the impact of $20 a tonne in 2019 will be approximately double those figures in the study for 2018,” Kirsten Burrows, a senior analyst at the Yukon government Climate Change Secretariat, explained to media Thursday.

But that rule can’t be accurately applied to all 2018 numbers in the analysis – like those that reflect household impacts.

In addition to the direct carbon pricing costs that Yukon households will pay when buying fossil fuels like gasoline to which a carbon price is applied, the analysis also considers the indirect costs of carbon pricing that are embedded in commodities, like groceries, that households consume.

Direct costs “can only arise from purchases within the territory,” while indirect costs can also arise from Outside, the analysis explains.

“Given that Yukon residents and businesses must import the majority of their fuel and other goods from outside the territory, many of those products already have a carbon price embedded within them if they come from one of the provinces in Canada where a carbon pricing system is already in place,” Mark Johnson, an Environment and Climate Change Canada spokesperson, explained in an follow-up email after the briefing.

“As of 2014 (the most recent year of data), about $1 billion out of $1.1 billion worth of imports from elsewhere in Canada was from the ‘big four’ provinces that already have carbon prices. These costs are already being paid by Yukon residents and businesses.”

The indirect cost portion of the carbon pricing household impact value for 2018 should not be doubled to come up with 2019 figures, media were told at yesterday’s briefing. That makes it a challenge to calculate accurate household impact figures for 2019.

Environment and Climate Change Canada was not able to provide those numbers before this afternoon’s press deadline.

Johnson was able to provide a household impact estimate for 2022, when a carbon price in the Yukon will be set at $50 per tonne.

On average, a Yukon household will pay about $760 in 2022 as a result of carbon pricing, including direct and indirect costs.

The analysis also found that carbon pricing impacts cost higher-income households more in absolute terms, as they spend more. But lower-income households tend to pay more as a share of their expenses.

The household impact of carbon pricing is also expected to be larger in remote areas than in Whitehorse.

“The modelling results presented in the federal analysis are useful in giving a sense of potential impacts,” Burrows said.

There are always limitations to modelling, and these results should be interpreted as estimates, she emphasized.

“While we have some concerns regarding the accuracy of the federal government’s data, and the data limitations for Yukon, the results are similar to what we expected.

“One thing we want to make clear in that the federal analysis does not incorporate any data reflecting the fact that Yukon government will be rebating revenues generated by carbon pricing.”

This will likely offset many of the potential impacts the analysis outlines, she said.

However, the rebate will only include those direct costs of carbon pricing in the territory.

And, as the federal analysis notes, nearly three-quarters of the estimated cost to households resulting from carbon pricing are comprised by embedded or indirect costs.

The federal analysis estimates that a carbon price will reduce emissions by 2.2 per cent from the projected business-as-usual baseline in 2019, increasing to a 5.4 per cent reduction in 2022.

“Overall, economic analysis and growing international experience indicate that carbon pricing is the most efficient measure to achieve reductions,” the analysis notes.

“Notably, these estimates also do not consider the cost of global inaction on climate change.

“The impacts of a changing climate are already being felt, and the costs of inaction are much greater than the costs of addressing climate change.”

Comments (18)

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Yukon Watchdog on Apr 11, 2018 at 6:31 pm

So incredibly ashamed I voted Liberal in the last election. Never ever again.

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Anonymous on Apr 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm

Oh ProScience Greenie,
We know that your partaking of the green herb will not affect the environment. I guess some emissions supposedly do not effect others although some may not feel that is true. Smoke is smoke even if it is blown up other areas.

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Juniper Jackson on Apr 9, 2018 at 8:50 pm

While I appreciate all those posts that go to great length to explain why a carbon tax doesn't work.. your comments would only be appropriate if this tax were actually about carbon or the environment. It isn't.

It's about money for a Canada that owes 1.8 TRILLION dollars on less than 23 million tax payers. The Trudeau government has nearly bankrupted the country. (that number includes mortgage debt. 1.3 trillion without mortgage debt.) https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/effect-on-canadian-families-of-changes-to-federal-income-tax-and-cpp-payroll-tax the so called middle class is going to pay almost $1,000 a year more in taxes for the 2017 tax year, and more than that estimated for 2018.

A carbon tax? Nope.. Trudeau needs another holiday? yup.. Mumbai needs another 375 billion? yup.. Money needed to fight Veteran's pensions in court? yup.. money needed for a whole lot of issues, but not one of them is really about the environment.

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tax slave on Apr 9, 2018 at 3:18 pm

More extortion and a tax on life itself by a bunch of hypocritical morons. Enough is enough. There is no consent of the governed for this lunacy.

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ProScience Greenie on Apr 9, 2018 at 3:15 pm

Actually, C02 and other GHGs emitted by our wasteful and inefficient footprint on this planet is affecting natural climate cycles/systems. The science and math is very strong on that. Lots of sound ways to deal with AGW but a carbon sin tax is definitely not one of those ways. Shame on those pushing it, especially when they use fear and exaggeration to do so while ignoring real solutions that do not include cash grabs.

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The little guys on Apr 9, 2018 at 3:11 pm

They say this tax will save 32 K tonnes of carbon by year 5, at a $760/family cost.

This amount is about to be blown away by all the new mines, Eagle, Coffee etc. For context, the daddy of them all, Casino, is predicted at 716 K tonnes/year alone.

I see no sense in pursuing a high carbon industrial economic strategy, building roads and infrastructure on tax dollars, while at the same time trying to 'look good' and balance the climate politics books with a tax on the backs of the average households that really can't do that much about heating their house and getting to their jobs.

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ProScience Greenie on Apr 9, 2018 at 12:34 pm

The saddest part of this is that a carbon sin tax will be added to the already nasty sin tax that exist on a bottle of beer - sin taxes on sin taxes. Again, those making good wages such as many of our more senior level government employees won't even feel it but for so many others, having a cold one after a hard day's work may no longer be an option. It's very cruel of the upper class and their minions to apply multiple sin taxes on the working class for enjoying a cold one.

Even worse, our very excellent beers brewed right here in the Yukon with a very low carbon footprint, will be carbon sin taxed at the same level of beers brewed far away and hauled up the Alaska Hwy with a big carbon footprint. Makes no sense unless it's just a cash grab.

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David A. Lelli on Apr 9, 2018 at 10:11 am

This stupid carbon tax is nothing more than a liberal power grab over private industry. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It does not make for more or less global warming, which is controlled by much greater factors. People, please see this insanity for what it is and reject it.

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Liberals need money! on Apr 9, 2018 at 9:04 am

Such a bunch of BS. The Yukon Liberal Party handed us over to their federal masters on a silver platter. The liberals need more money and need it badly, with their enormous deficits. I can't believe Sandy Silver pushed for this, given all the arguments against it which I'm not going to reiterate here.

This is what you get for voting Liberal! Thank you Sandy and crew! Thank you Justin! You just keep sending our money to people who deserve it, okay?

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Josey Wales on Apr 9, 2018 at 8:42 am

To the participants of this thread, short and sweet I will be.
Some fantastic post and points here, seriously good...yes you too wilf.
The polarizing of Canada is completely predictable given Justine’s alleged DNA.

Please folks...keep up the good work.

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Al on Apr 8, 2018 at 8:06 am

The sad truth is we are already feeling the hurt. Our family is on fixed income. The pension we worked so hard to squirrel way over the decades is already being eroded by this shameful tax. Our seniors pension went up a whole $.39 (that is right! cents) a month. We have already started to cut back on what we are no longer able to afford.

Where is the common sense to all of this? Well there is none. It is a tax scam and one that will see increased poverty and more homelessness. Wilf has it right - sadly for the rest of us we are being abused by stupidity and malevolence.

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ProScience Greenie on Apr 7, 2018 at 11:28 am

Not sure about the rest of you but this household that already runs pretty green is going to feel some hurt in the next few years because of this tax. Folks in the upper middle class and above won't feel the hurt and it will be business as usual with their high C02 lifestyles. Mostly a cash grab to the middle class and below with some green paint on it.

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Carbon tax does not work and here is why. on Apr 7, 2018 at 8:12 am

> In Australia they have dropped carbon tax. France is doing the same. Other countries are not using carbon pricing because their estimate state it does not work.
> In Canada carbon tax on fuel will be charged at least 4 times. When oil is produced, refined, transported and sold retail.
> 3/4 of the carbon tax Yukoners will pay, will be to other regions like AB and BC. So the carbon tax hidden in the cost structure, so Yukoners can't see, but the price will tell the real story, just like BC now.
> This report has no credibility because it was not done by an independent firm and is bias not objective. Federal government is hiding the real facts on the results of the carbon tax on Yukoners.
> So you take the 2022 projected cost to households in the Yukon of $760 per year and multiply that by 4 to give you the real impact on Yukon households that = $3040 per year impact on Yukon households. My calculations have it at more like $3400 per year on each Yukon household.
> You take 12000 households and x by $3040 = over $36 million dollars.
> Now here comes the real kick in the ass BS to Yukon household is 5% GST is added onto the carbon tax each step of the carbon pricing plan. So 4 x 5 =20% GST on top of the carbon tax by 2022.
> if we take the 20% GST into account on carbon tax pricing of $36 million per year = $7.2 million in GST paid on carbon tax that Yukoners will pay.
> That drives up the real cost of carbon pricing on Yukoners to over $43 million a year.
> Yukoners be prepared to pay at least $300 per more a month, Low income and seniors will be hurt a lot by this. More homeless people, less food for children, 100's of job losses, no raises for staff, on and on.
In the end Yukoners are getting SC. There should be no carbon tax in the north or rural areas because the tax kills its competitiveness and our way of life.
Lets all move to BC or AB.
> minimal effect on mining is bull s**t because it drives up the cost base of their business operations. Mining companies don't like this at all.
> It is going to be interesting because Canada purchases a lot fuel out of the US where they don't have a carbon tax. Yukon buys fuel out of Alaska. This carbon tax will create a whole new business for US to sell into Canada.
> All this carbon tax in Canada will do is export jobs and investment into the US, which is already taking place.
I can't believe the stupid move this is in real terms.
Wilf Carter

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Juniper Jackson on Apr 7, 2018 at 4:48 am

If this government is going to 'rebate' this tax why do it to begin with? Sandy Silver campaigned on there would be NO carbon tax for Yukoners. It didn't take long for him to change that tune and crawl up the Federal tax butt..

How they will Rebate to 'Yukoners and business' has not been worked out yet.

Trudeau is off gallivanting on his 15th holiday since the election that put him if office, I am happy to say his approval rating is 31% and Sheer has announced that the first thing he will do if elected is repeal the carbon tax. You guys (the Liberals) are stupid to pursue this when the entire country is rebelling against it.. The 'will of the people' doesn't mean a damned thing when you have a majority, dictator government... None of you want another mandate? apparently not.

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Concerned on Apr 6, 2018 at 8:40 pm

I guess it was a very wise decision to spend so much money on the New Salvation Army institute since many more of us will need to use it. Of course, people who are making a decent wage will now be paying to help those who used to be able to take care of their own households. Our territory houses less people than most "small towns" in other provinces yet we must pay the same as the big cities. I guess the money must be made from those of us that cannot afford to protect ourselves. Great job for standing up for Yukoners when we know we will be paying more up here than the people who are creating the majority of the emissions. Yay Liberal party but then again our population voted them in.

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jean on Apr 6, 2018 at 8:23 pm

Everyone in the Yukon could stop using ALL fossil fuels FOREVER, and the global GHG concentration, which some people believe drives climate change, wouldn't change by any measurable amount. Burning fossil fuels sold in the Yukon only emits 550 to 700 kiloTonnes of CO2e per year. The Yukon contribution is 0.0016% to 0.0020% of the global total GHGs for a year. That's so low it can't be measured.

Most of the pollution we cause is spewed into the sky in Asia making all that disposable stuff that ends up in our dumps. The toxic coal pollution from Asia drifts over the Arctic and Canada and settles on our land and water.

Canada's total contribution is 2% of global GHGs. Using less Canadian oil to run our vehicles and heat our buildings will have no measurable effect on global GHG concentration. The amount we emit is less than the error in estimating China's 30% contribution to the total.

The so-called "CarbonTax" is nothing more than a Liberal tax grab to pay for their out-of-control spending on foreign countries.

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My Opinion on Apr 6, 2018 at 5:51 pm

What a load of BS. The statement that rebates will offset is totally Bogus. If that was the case then there is absolutely no point in charging it at all. They say no effect on mining, Fuel, power Generation, and transportation are their biggest expenditures.

People will soon realize that this will effect every single thing they purchase and will push huge inflation and ultimately poverty. It is a TAX and nothing else.

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Max Mack on Apr 6, 2018 at 4:01 pm

"This analysis indicated that the estimated impact on Yukon GDP is flat." First of all, complete BS. But, if true, then this is a very strong argument against carbon pricing.

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